Page 4 | Roderic O Gorman (Irish Minister) tweet for trans visibility. Huge backlash in Ireland. Read comments under tweet.

Leopardprintonsie · 2023-04-01T07:43:40+00:00

[[https://twitter.com/rodericogorman/status/1641832872771289090?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet https://twitter.com/rodericogorman/status/1641832872771289090?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet]] Just to add this minister is a gay man but as the comments show he has totally ostracised the gay community who are quite rightly very angry.. Some of the comments are hilarious but none support his trans agenda. Delighted!

Steradent · 01/04/2023 13:43

Steelasprey · 01/04/2023 13:40

Hi Ruby, I’m Irish, living in Ireland, as left-wing and feminist as can be in our little town (campaigned for Repeal and marriage equality, Educate Together for our un-baptised kids, volunteer for inclusive community organisations, and supporting new community members from Ukraine etc.) and I have very serious concern about gender identity ideology and the serious harms it’s practice is doing in our schools, prisons and to our culture. I find it potentially as dogmatic and damaging as the ideology of the Catholic Church once was.
I’m very worried about the impact of gender identity on women and girls - and I’m not alone. There’s a huge sense of fear around this issue for many of my, similarly left-wing, friends who feel they’re going to be labelled bigots for simply asking questions or raising concerns. You can’t dismiss everyone who raises objections as right wing religious nuts. People may be quiet now but it’s a massive issue that will have a massive impact on the way many people will vote.

I have been working on Irish Catholics and some have the 'feminists smell' attitude too.

They will all work together on this issue in many ways and they will win.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 01/04/2023 13:48

Maybe we could popularise ‘Friend of Tatchell’ to describe Queer Theory activists?

Farmageddon · 01/04/2023 13:51

There’s a huge sense of fear around this issue for many of my, similarly left-wing, friends who feel they’re going to be labelled bigots for simply asking questions or raising concerns.

This is something that bothers me so much about all this. How have we gotten to a situation where we are afraid to speak the truth for fear of being browbeaten? Afraid to have reasonable concerns and questions. This is so very wrong, whatever the issue.

I look back at things that happened in the past - scandals etc. and like other people I think 'how was that allowed to happen?' ,but actually, this is exactly how! Too many of us afraid to speak out. And I include myself in that, because until recently I didn't say much about it in real life. But I'm getting stronger and louder, buoyed on by the women like KJK who are speaking about it more and more despite the consequences.

And if we don't push back against this, the next thing will come along and be even worse. Because those who want others to do what they're told and not push back will know the tactics and know that they work.

The truth is not hateful or bigoted. Disagreement is not hatred. Men are not women.

RosesInWater · 01/04/2023 13:54

"Anti trans" is not the correct term for Pro women. At all.

Steradent · 01/04/2023 13:58

Farmageddon · 01/04/2023 13:51

There’s a huge sense of fear around this issue for many of my, similarly left-wing, friends who feel they’re going to be labelled bigots for simply asking questions or raising concerns.

This is something that bothers me so much about all this. How have we gotten to a situation where we are afraid to speak the truth for fear of being browbeaten? Afraid to have reasonable concerns and questions. This is so very wrong, whatever the issue.

I look back at things that happened in the past - scandals etc. and like other people I think 'how was that allowed to happen?' ,but actually, this is exactly how! Too many of us afraid to speak out. And I include myself in that, because until recently I didn't say much about it in real life. But I'm getting stronger and louder, buoyed on by the women like KJK who are speaking about it more and more despite the consequences.

And if we don't push back against this, the next thing will come along and be even worse. Because those who want others to do what they're told and not push back will know the tactics and know that they work.

The truth is not hateful or bigoted. Disagreement is not hatred. Men are not women.

They want to send you to secular Hell as Cromwell did - to the bad land where you can't prosper, whilst they colonise. They want a new type of Laundry, they want the children in a new way.

They want to break up the Irish clans so you are weak against them.

The new boss, same as the old boss!

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 01/04/2023 14:07

The only way to defeat the nonsensical accusations is to laugh at how absurd they are.

Thousands and thousands of lentil-eating, sandal-wearing, macrame-your-own-hummus lefty women haven’t become fascists overnight.

It’s ludicrous.

Steradent · 01/04/2023 14:14

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 01/04/2023 14:07

The only way to defeat the nonsensical accusations is to laugh at how absurd they are.

Thousands and thousands of lentil-eating, sandal-wearing, macrame-your-own-hummus lefty women haven’t become fascists overnight.

It’s ludicrous.

Emperor's got no clothes on!

Farmageddon · 01/04/2023 14:29

Steradent · 01/04/2023 13:58

They want to send you to secular Hell as Cromwell did - to the bad land where you can't prosper, whilst they colonise. They want a new type of Laundry, they want the children in a new way.

They want to break up the Irish clans so you are weak against them.

The new boss, same as the old boss!

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True. It's interesting how many people who denounce the church (like our dear fragrant guest RubyRoss) can't seem to see that gender ideology is just another form of religion in sheep's clothing, wearing bad lipstick.

Hmm, does that make us heretics or apostates?

Farmageddon · 01/04/2023 14:32

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 01/04/2023 14:07

The only way to defeat the nonsensical accusations is to laugh at how absurd they are.

Thousands and thousands of lentil-eating, sandal-wearing, macrame-your-own-hummus lefty women haven’t become fascists overnight.

It’s ludicrous.

It's very telling how many people are perfectly happy to believe that a bunch of liberal women turned into bigots overnight. That's the narrative. There couldn't possibly be something else going on here that women have caught wind of...

And - historically women have been far more accommodating and accepting of gender non conforming people than men have. It's just when they changed the law, and we're actually supposed to think of them as women and include them in women's spaces that we went WFT?

Steradent · 01/04/2023 14:39

Farmageddon · 01/04/2023 14:29

True. It's interesting how many people who denounce the church (like our dear fragrant guest RubyRoss) can't seem to see that gender ideology is just another form of religion in sheep's clothing, wearing bad lipstick.

Hmm, does that make us heretics or apostates?

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Many English people liken them to Puritans, miserable things wanting everyone else as miserable, witch hunters etc, changing culture and then acting the victims. Checking up on people making sure that they turn up in the new state religion church.

www.history.com/.amp/topics/colonial-america/puritanism

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 01/04/2023 14:41

Exactly!

‘Transwomen are men with a rare psychological condition and we’d be grateful if women could play along and accommodate them as if they are women’

became

‘Transwoman ARE women’

became

’Trans women are women and they are better at womaning than ciswomen who aren’t even training hard enough to win in their own sports categories’

became

’Birthing units, cervix-havers, menstruators, egg donors, gestational surrogates and persons-with-uterus should refrain from mentioning female biology on the Women’s March because it’s irrelevant to trans women’

became

‘Barbie Kardashian’

Cailleach1 · 01/04/2023 14:44

@Steradent They don't want Catholics and Feminists to work together, they don't want the English and Irish to work together, they know if they do they will lose.

Well, it is more that they would happily deprive Irish women of support: within or without Ireland. Irish women must be isolated: all the better to trample upon. This appears to be the wish of those chappies (and chappie prioritising lassies) pushing this misogynist, homophobic, and anti-scientific raiméis.

VaddaABeetch · 01/04/2023 14:45

Musing about the name O’Gorman. Is there something in the Y DNA that makes them hate women. Colm, Ruairi, Roderic?

Steradent · 01/04/2023 14:46

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 01/04/2023 14:41

Exactly!

‘Transwomen are men with a rare psychological condition and we’d be grateful if women could play along and accommodate them as if they are women’

became

‘Transwoman ARE women’

became

’Trans women are women and they are better at womaning than ciswomen who aren’t even training hard enough to win in their own sports categories’

became

’Birthing units, cervix-havers, menstruators, egg donors, gestational surrogates and persons-with-uterus should refrain from mentioning female biology on the Women’s March because it’s irrelevant to trans women’

became

‘Barbie Kardashian’

https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1642142724420960256?cxt=HHwWgIDU-e-GiMotAAAA

He is even tweeting the DARVO!

https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1642142724420960256?cxt=HHwWgIDU-e-GiMotAAAA

Steradent · 01/04/2023 14:48

Cailleach1 · 01/04/2023 14:44

@Steradent They don't want Catholics and Feminists to work together, they don't want the English and Irish to work together, they know if they do they will lose.

Well, it is more that they would happily deprive Irish women of support: within or without Ireland. Irish women must be isolated: all the better to trample upon. This appears to be the wish of those chappies (and chappie prioritising lassies) pushing this misogynist, homophobic, and anti-scientific raiméis.

Women plus are supposedly superior to the old fashioned type of women.

CreationNat1on · 01/04/2023 14:49

RosesInWater · 01/04/2023 13:54

"Anti trans" is not the correct term for Pro women. At all.

It reminds me of the pro life slogan, pro life or pro choice.

Pro choice was not anti life, it respects women's bodily integrity.

Similarly, there is no anti-trans movement, there is a movement that is pro women's right to personal space and a level playing field.

The trans need to force women into silence and submission to ensure they get their needs met is blatently, mysogynistic.

Abhannmor · 01/04/2023 14:50

On the one hand TRA posters complain about the evil woman hating Christians being on our side ie GC.

On the other hand this teacher - Burke - has been suspended from a Church of Ireland ( Anglican) school for not using the ' correct' pronouns . Or shouting at the Head. Or whatever.

Most schools seem to be using this pro trans Busy Bodies booklet. And most schools here are Catholic in ethos. So it's messy. O 'Gorman wants it to be nice liberals versus the Spanish Inquisition. But I'm not seeing that.

1Week · 01/04/2023 14:54

@RubyRoss we're pro woman and pro children. Even when we get no bualadh bos for it.

Railing against the Church in Ireland these days is a favourite pastime of powerful. It's playacting. It's not 1983 any more, and you aren't a brave iconoclast. You fit right in on RTE, the IT, boardrooms, NGOs, Dublin Castle courtyard, at the best tables that serve the best wines.

Sorry mate, you've won. You got what you wanted. I'm sorry for your troubles.

CreationNat1on · 01/04/2023 15:14

Steradent · 01/04/2023 12:50

That's your opinion

Scammers influtrate every group, as we know any sacred caste - be they a Teacher Peadophile, or enabler with their strange modern Sex education lessons, be they represeting the Green party or other groups, they get in everywhere.

There were many Catholic countries that didn't join in enslaving women and selling their babies - until the washing machine was available, the Irish nation was the only one.

People are allowed their own beliefs and religion and talking about their opinion of history happens.

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There were mother and baby homes in many countries and supported by religious orders, protestant ones too. There were similar homes in Germany and Spain, it was common, unfortunately.

Steradent · 01/04/2023 15:25

CreationNat1on · 01/04/2023 15:14

There were mother and baby homes in many countries and supported by religious orders, protestant ones too. There were similar homes in Germany and Spain, it was common, unfortunately.

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I am 97% Irish according to 23andme so I am not saying this as being anti Irish. The Irish were pretty barbaric in Pagan times taking slaves from the UK, exhibit St Patrick. They held on to the Landry longer and were way more cruel than the English who let Mother's go after 6 weeks of breastfeeding to then take their babies.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 01/04/2023 15:30

From the 1920s to the mid 1960s the Irish state funded the mother and baby homes and used one group of women (nuns) to control another group of women, some working-class, all vulnerable because society as a whole backed the state. And the state was poor, and it was grim for men as well, and thousands emigrated every year.

DeV's enthusiasm for closing the 'English' workhouses meant that an alternative management structure was needed to do the same job, and the church was deputised. Maybe the bishops should have refused, but the whole country was crippled by the economic war and there wasn't much choice.

Now the country is rich and the Irish state is trying use one group of women (and men), (genderists), to shout down and control the other women, many of them working class. They have noticed that the Constitution gives women a right to a life in the home just as they are facilitating making hundreds of women homeless. Golly gosh, we must have a refendum to remove women's rights. Just in case anyone notices, let's demonise women. It worked before, I'm sure they expect it to work again.

And useful idiots with crash around saying 'gender wars' and 'transphobes' and 'right wing' and 'Catholic church' because that will save them from having to think about anything.

Steradent · 01/04/2023 15:51

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 01/04/2023 15:30

From the 1920s to the mid 1960s the Irish state funded the mother and baby homes and used one group of women (nuns) to control another group of women, some working-class, all vulnerable because society as a whole backed the state. And the state was poor, and it was grim for men as well, and thousands emigrated every year.

DeV's enthusiasm for closing the 'English' workhouses meant that an alternative management structure was needed to do the same job, and the church was deputised. Maybe the bishops should have refused, but the whole country was crippled by the economic war and there wasn't much choice.

Now the country is rich and the Irish state is trying use one group of women (and men), (genderists), to shout down and control the other women, many of them working class. They have noticed that the Constitution gives women a right to a life in the home just as they are facilitating making hundreds of women homeless. Golly gosh, we must have a refendum to remove women's rights. Just in case anyone notices, let's demonise women. It worked before, I'm sure they expect it to work again.

And useful idiots with crash around saying 'gender wars' and 'transphobes' and 'right wing' and 'Catholic church' because that will save them from having to think about anything.

The new colonist state religion (I would argue started in France with Foucault, travelled to the USA then outwards) wants to send women and children to their 'Hell' those who object are made an example of.

My Great Grandfather knew his daughter was an innocent, I met her and her daughter (neither married or had children) when I was young. The man who impregnated her never suffered. My family all suffered shame because he would not give up his daughter and granddaughter, the family stayed and the two had to live in England. The Priest and Guards came trying to take them he wouldn't let them have them. People were capable of standing up to the state, they didn't want to.

When I saw recent clips of the Guards talking about how they would deal with their colleagues who wouldn't use the preferred pronouns I though of my Great Great Aunt, a victim, pregnant and terrified.

The new boss the same as the old boss.

Boiledbeetle · 01/04/2023 15:56

Vebrithien · 01/04/2023 11:40

Can't. Breathe. Properly....!😂😆

To whoever wrote that you are wonderful!

inamarina · 01/04/2023 16:01

Farmageddon · 01/04/2023 13:51

There’s a huge sense of fear around this issue for many of my, similarly left-wing, friends who feel they’re going to be labelled bigots for simply asking questions or raising concerns.

This is something that bothers me so much about all this. How have we gotten to a situation where we are afraid to speak the truth for fear of being browbeaten? Afraid to have reasonable concerns and questions. This is so very wrong, whatever the issue.

I look back at things that happened in the past - scandals etc. and like other people I think 'how was that allowed to happen?' ,but actually, this is exactly how! Too many of us afraid to speak out. And I include myself in that, because until recently I didn't say much about it in real life. But I'm getting stronger and louder, buoyed on by the women like KJK who are speaking about it more and more despite the consequences.

And if we don't push back against this, the next thing will come along and be even worse. Because those who want others to do what they're told and not push back will know the tactics and know that they work.

The truth is not hateful or bigoted. Disagreement is not hatred. Men are not women.

I agree. I have friends for whom the only possible attitude towards anything trans-related seems to be unquestionably positive. Nothing there to discuss, nothing to question, only to celebrate.
It‘s like „yay, there are trans kids in our child‘s school!“ - but what I see are teenagers who are seemingly deeply uncomfortable and unhappy with their biological sex which they won’t be able to change anyway… How is that something to celebrate?
Same with males in women‘s refuges, toilets, sports - some people seem determined not to see those issues.

DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry · 01/04/2023 16:02

Some priests objected to young women being forced out of communities and away from supportive families because they were pregnant. Commercial ratepayers in Tuam objected to 'their' money being used to feed the 'home children'. It was never as easy as 'Church bad'. The State and its partner, the business community, played a subtle divide and rule game then, it's planning to do the same now.

Demonising women, and making people suspicious of each other, is always a good start in that.