Learning-disabled girls & women must accept men providing intimate care

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

This dreadful account from Transgender Trend is no doubt replicated all over the country as schools / social care / the NHS remove the rights to sex based care for these vulnerable young women, allowing men to provide intimate / personal care. Prioritising (yet again) the demands of this toxic lobby insisting that the safety, privacy and rights of women and girls no longer matter.

Warning - contains information about rape / HIV

www.transgendertrend.com/severely-learning-disabled-girl-sex-based-rights-under-threat/

they may use "cross gender diversity" as the excuse but I would imagine saving money is the motivation

Our Local Authority Children’s Social Services database holds details of all severely-disabled children in the Borough. In January 2022 we were appalled to find out that this database, used as the basis for commissioning services, records children’s gender, but not their sex; similarly, their HR databaserecords staff members’ gender but not sex...

"Worryingly, they have told us that the system they use, which has no field to record the child’s sex, is used by some 50% of local authorities across England.

WTAF were they thinking?!

This is an article about just how vulnerable disabled women are at the hands of carers.
www.filia.org.uk/latest-news/2021/12/21/male-carers-and-the-sexual-abuse-of-disabled-women

And here is how the police deal with allegations of sexual abuse made by disabled women in the community.

If you want to sexually assault someone pick a blind woman. The police may say there is nothing that can be done because she can’t visually describe/identify the assailant.

news.sky.com/story/sexual-violence-allegations-brought-by-disabled-women-not-going-to-court-charity-says-12368315

Scrolling that Sky News report is awful.

I read DrEMs report, I feel sick.

Pickanameforme · Today 22:26
Scrolling that Sky News report is awful
It isn’t it.
This whole issue is extremely unrepresented I think. It is so very awful.
Awful about the police too.

Did the police catch the rapist? I seem to remember all staff were to be DNA tested.
Anyway, this ghastly story is further evidence that men should not have access to vulnerable females. Single sex spaces are essential for safety and dignity.

This is absolutely essential. Women do not commit an equal number of crimes, especially sex crimes. We are unequal in all minds of ways — pay, opportunities, strength and many more.

The safety of vulnerable people outweighs anyone’s wish for a particular job.

How is this the "lib fems" fault?

That woman was raped by a male care giver, not a trans woman. There is no trans connection. Women in the US, even vulnerable ones, do not have the right to same sex care in medical settings.

This is because women in the US do not have sex based rights. At all. So, many of the worst case scenarios that that will come to pass in UK if self ID is allowed already exist here in the US because the right wing elements here continue to oppress women.

Remember that when you conservative "feminists" join forces with these people.

Again, it's eff all to do with individuals. Individual trans people.

It's the guidance that was deliberately changed from single sex intimate care policy to and any sex intimate care policy

"same-sex intimate care had now become cross-gender intimate care,"

Under the banner of equality , diversity and_ inclusion._

Which is therefore deliberately Ignoring the EA characteristic of sex.

When males commit nearly 100% of sexual assaults, and a huge number of disabled women have been assaulted (I've seen est of 100%) sex matters.

And when transwomen's rate of sexual offending does not fall from that of men when they transition (not necessarily having surgery) again, sex matters.

Boxowine · Today 17:01
How is this the "lib fems" fault?

That woman was raped by a male care giver, not a trans woman. There is no trans connection. Women in the US, even vulnerable ones, do not have the right to same sex care in medical settings.

This is because women in the US do not have sex based rights. At all. So, many of the worst case scenarios that that will come to pass in UK if self ID is allowed already exist here in the US because the right wing elements here continue to oppress women.

Remember that when you conservative "feminists" join forces with these people.

Right wing US is oppressing women over removing their access to abortion.
But isn’t it the Left Wing (US style) promoting self ID, trans women athletes competing with women, trans women criminals in women’s prisons, children being rushed through dangerous ‘so called ‘Paediatric Gender Care’?

Here the only hope against self-ID are some of the Conservatives.

So I am genuinely confused by your post.

Really Boxowine? This is nothing to do with conservative "feminists" join forces with these people. As WarriorN & ScrollingLeaves have pointed out, it's a school and a local authority deciding to abandon perfectly legal same sex care in favour of cross-gender intimate care which results in learning-disabled girls and women having their sanitary pads changed, being toileted and washed by male carers.

The only reason trans is anywhere near this is because the trans lobby groups are the ones demanding that men have access to women and girls at all times, even when vulnerable or not consenting. If they'd stop trying to remove our legal rights, there wouldn't be an issue and learning-disabled girls and women could continue being cared for by other women.

I believe Safeguarding principles means that Two people have to be present for any procedure

Not in my send school's policy.

@stealtheatingtunnocks
I think the phrase youre looking for is that 'you dont want that to happen'
Consent implies by its very nature that there is an agreement between two people prior to an event. I know why you used the word consent, as it was likely done so in order to hijack the experience of victims of rape and imply that the situation you are referring to is in some way akin to being raped. IT ISN'T! Consent does not apply just because you don't want to be cared for by a member of the opposite sex.

I'm not sure that I've understood this comment correctly Adelishious but I'm not sure you'd want to be a man standing up in court stating that you forcibly undressed, touched, toileted a girl or woman against her expressed wishes because her consent to you undressing her and touching her intimately doesn't apply in that situation?
Consent is a challenging legal issue and everyone who works with children or the vulnerable spend a lot of time working out the legal and ethical parameters. Simply stating that consent does not apply in these situations is untrue.

How do people feel about male nurses, or women doctors dealing with people of the opposite sex?

Maybe start a thread and ask antifacist ?
It feels a bit disrespectful to divert attention aways from the discussing the needs and rights of one of the most vulnerable groups of girls and women in society who only have their parents to advocate for them in the face of this apparent disregard for their rights?

I've always been offered a chaperone or asked if I would prefer a woman.

Yes, there have been previous threads on similar topics, feel free to contribute to them. It's not really the point of this thread, is it?

What people? People who don't have vulnerable needs or additional? That's a bit rude.

I'm not vulnerable but I often request a female for a smear and as for a male nurse.. well he's not giving me any type of intimate care (I would decline).

How do you feel?

I know it shouldn’t surprise me. But somehow the sight of the trans lobby here passionately upholding men’s right to touch disabled women intimately, regardless of the women’s consent, is …. strange. And revealing.

Consent does not apply just because you don't want to be cared for by a member of the opposite sex

it absolutely does apply. Regardless of the sex of the HCP or carer.

you should be asked for consent for any medical or intimate procedure. You can also withdraw consent at any time. So if you are asked by female nurse practitioner if you are ok for her to do a smear, and say yes, but then she says oh actually do you mind if my student/this male NP/ GP does it, you can absolutely refuse.

as for how I feel about male nurses or other HCP, personally I don’t give a fuck. I had a male midwife and a male HV, who were both brilliant. However, I am not vulnerable, i have enough medical knowledge to know what procedures should involve, and am fairly confident I could recognise anything inappropriate, and be able to report it. Many women can’t, especially vulnerable ones.

I know, @antelopevalley . They shouldn’t and they are often compromised, even those who have people who are able and willing to advocate for them.

i care. I really do.

I didn’t say it was the lib fems fault.

I said they need to listen to the women who don’t have their privileges to enjoy.

it is easy to give away rights you have never had to rely on because you have support, education, health, resources and skills which have kept you out of eg jail, hospital or danger.

how anyone could see the stories of women who have needed their basic rights to privacy, dignity and safety and then laugh, or scoff, or ridicule —like you are— - well, it makes me wince.

we agree that this is not a trans issue. It is a womens rights issue, and women of all political persuasions are giving away the rights of women who need those rights, just because they have never considered the value of those women or that legislation.

I will never forgive them.