Learning-disabled girls & women must accept men providing intimate care

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

This dreadful account from Transgender Trend is no doubt replicated all over the country as schools / social care / the NHS remove the rights to sex based care for these vulnerable young women, allowing men to provide intimate / personal care. Prioritising (yet again) the demands of this toxic lobby insisting that the safety, privacy and rights of women and girls no longer matter.

Warning - contains information about rape / HIV

www.transgendertrend.com/severely-learning-disabled-girl-sex-based-rights-under-threat/

Complaining might even be a hate crime in Scotland.
wingsoverscotland.com/the-silence-of-the-sacrificial-lambs/

The WESC is running a consultation on the National Disability Strategy at the moment -deadline 24th July
committees.parliament.uk/work/6697/national-disability-strategy/

You clearly don't work in care otherwise you would be aware that it's not that simple. There's a massive shortage of carers.

@Terfydactyl
"Then if/when my time comes to need care or a care home, if this is still an issue i want an all female team or home or I want the right to euthanasia.
Its that stark a choice."

I'm in complete agreement with you. I have carers on and off now, but I am with it enough and bolshy enough to still be able to fight for what works for me and not the care providers. But it's a constant battle.

The thought of being in a situation where I couldn't fight for what I wanted...I just can't. My sibling is fully aware of my thoughts on this matter and the fact that I have already made my euthanasia plans.

My heart goes out to the women in our society who aren't able to able to advocate for themselves. The absolute starting point with no deviation should be same SEX not same gender.

And the additional story, Cassie's story, just beyond words; I feel physically sick.

Me too.

This has nothing to do with transgender.
Disabled and elderly women have been forced for many years to accept intimate care for men. And sexual abuse in elderly homes has long been an issue.
Did you only care about these issues because you can now say it is a transgender issue?

I've been unaware of this issue. Its hardly a crime to not know every issue everywhere at all times.
I am not elderly, non of my family used a care home or even had carers so I'm unlikely to find out that this is an issue until its brought to my notice like this thread, or I get to find out first hand.
The issue is never trans to me, its always about women.

The article is specifically about schools changing their single sex policies around intimate care from single sex to either sex, citing the needs of trans people, in their intimate care polices.

Placing the wants and needs of able bodied males above those of disabled girls.

Care homes have long had an issue with this as many posts on this thread details.

Both are horrific.

Okay sorry this is about schools changing their policies. Fair enough to be unhappy about this.
But everywhere else this has been the policy for years and it was not brought in because of trans issues. In theory women can refuse intimate care from a man, but that may mean they simply do not get the care.
I know disabled women with home carers who specifically request only women as they need intimate care, but the agency still sends men at times. So the women either sit in poo and wee filled pads for even longer, or they have to accept the care.
My elderly mum had to accept intimate care from a male nurse in hospital quite a few times.
This has been going in for ages. But the truth is hardly anyone cares about disabled or elderly people.

Has anyone mentioned trans? I haven't. The article is very clearly about a school and local authority abandoning it's previous same sex care policy in order to prioritise the needs of their staff cross gender diversity
You could call it a men's rights issue or misogyny on steroids or anti-women or a safeguarding nightmare but the facts remain. An exceptionally vulnerable group of girls and women, unable to articulate for themselves, have had their right to intimate care provided by other women (toileting, changing sanitary pads, showering and washing) removed in favour of staff cross gender diversity which allows males to undertake all of these aspects of care. And their parents are protesting on their behalf. Asking for support for their vulnerable daughters.
And pointing out the consequences for them when this is not followed.

I am happy to argue on behalf of them. What about you antelopevalley ? Do you think their rights to same sex care when changing their sanitary pads matter?

Sorry antelopevalley - only just seen your clarification above my post.

Sorry if I come across as pissy. It just annoys me that issues like this are totally ignored by most unless it is suddenly relating to the trans issue.
Just plain old disabled and elderly women do not matter.

staff cross gender diversity

This is the problem; gender diversity means the same as transgender under stonewall et al.

What does it actually mean?

Someone with a grc would still potentially be excluded from this specific role.

The general consensus is to move away from grcs however, so anyone who states they're "gender diverse" - again, what does that mean, could do what ever role THEY want under this guidance.

Which was completely illegal.

But the truth is hardly anyone cares about disabled or elderly people.

Completely this.

You have a right to be very angry.

NC'd for this. I worked with someone like Cassie. She was raped, they knew who did it. He wasn't prosecuted, he didn't even loose his job. He changed jobs because he knew that people would be watching his every move.
The bastard went to work with other vulnerable people.

That's awful Pickanameforme. Precisely what used to happen in schools with predatory adults - they were moved on to abuse elsewhere. But no longer fortunately.

OMG - I had managed to miss that gruesome detail

Most carers are female but it's not always possible to guarantee the sex of choice. It's care, just like we have male doctors and make nurses. Not everything is a trans or sex issue. My grandmother in law did not like having make carers but she was biting and hitting the female ones and took two people to even change her, yes they agency had to sometimes send men.

Dsd sometimes has male carers and they are good with her, they try to arrange females for intimate care tastes but taking her to the toilet sometimes is urgent so the male carer takes her. We understand

Men are perfectly capable of giving the same intimate care as women, it's not greatly difficult work and there's not enough thanks to the majority of men that do this kind of work. It's terrible when cases of abuse arise but these are not the norm and the majority of men that work in the field are wonderfully caring men who shouldn't be shamed based on the awful actions of others.

the majority of men that work in the field are wonderfully caring men who shouldn't be shamed based on the awful actions of others.

no one is suggesting shaming men. Shaming men is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

we are talking about keeping the most vulnerable girls and women in society safe from rape and sexual abuse.

do you see the difference?

and to another comment: actually I have worked in care but I was a teenager (and very bad at it!) The vast majority of carers then were women, and male staff weren’t allowed with female patients unchaperoned. Has all that changed?

It changed a while ago.

Good grief.

that poor woman.

its dystopian.

I understand keeping women safe but we need to understand that equal means equal and banning men from doing jobs they can do perfectly well isn't the answer. Equality is something women have fought for for years.

The woman in a vegetative state I mean.

actually, no, I mean all of them.

it’s outrageous

Equality doesn’t mean giving up consent @Adelishious

i don’t consent to this