Learning-disabled girls & women must accept men providing intimate care

[MrsOvertonsWindow]

This dreadful account from Transgender Trend is no doubt replicated all over the country as schools / social care / the NHS remove the rights to sex based care for these vulnerable young women, allowing men to provide intimate / personal care. Prioritising (yet again) the demands of this toxic lobby insisting that the safety, privacy and rights of women and girls no longer matter.

Warning - contains information about rape / HIV

www.transgendertrend.com/severely-learning-disabled-girl-sex-based-rights-under-threat/

@stealtheatingtunnocks in reality elderly and disabled people do have to give up consent to get basic care. This is the reality and few people care.

It changed a while ago

Why did they change it? Who lobbied to allow male staff alone with vulnerable women?

Making that illegal, without any trans loophole, has to be a priority.

I understand keeping women safe but we need to understand that equal means equal

NO.

men and women are not equal in criminality. Men commit 98% of sexual crimes.

You can prioritise pretend equality over the safety of vulnerable women all you want but don’t expect anyone else to share your warped and repulsive priorities. Especially not on the women’s rights board. For shame.

(emphasis in the quote mine.)

Surely the care home your aunt is in didn't need to have all the female carers on break at the same time, they could have staggered the breaks and mixed the sex of staff on a break more carefully if they had wanted to?

this. I know I can’t take my break with all of my colleagues and leave our workplace unstaffed. So about 12 we start with “who wants to go first”, “i’ll go when you get back”. It’s basic job responsibility.

if your aunt wants a female to perform intimate care then I’d be putting in a complaint that all 3 female carers are going in break together.

For the poster above (sorry lost name!) concerned about not having family to speak up for you , would totally recommend having a living Will. (You can specify same sex intimate care only-the helpline will give you advice on wording if needed- they are brilliant).
Here's the link.
beta.compassionindying.org.uk/

@water You can specify it. It does NOT mean you will get it.
If only a male carer is available they will say you accept the man, or get no care.

I just don’t know what to say. Institutions like these can’t be trusted.

There is it seems almost universal misinterpretation of the Equalities Act. And no one knows what proportionate means would be under the exceptions. It needs to be black and white.

Is there any move to actually s p e l l it out to these captured institutions that they must not use male/ trans women carers for the over night care of female patients, or for the intimate care of female patients?

@antelopevalley
Yes that's the point of the Living Will. It gives you (if you have an accident/ stroke/ dementia etc and are vulnerable and unable to speak) the option to give advance consent / choice to refuse treatments if you can't speak up for yourself, even if it results in your death. Different things are important to different people. One woman may agree to intimate care carried out by males, others won't.

@Watermonster I understand what a living will is.
What I am saying is in practice if you insist on women-only doing intimate care that there may be times you will be told only a man is available. And if you do not accept care from a man, you get no care.
Most care is provided by carers going to a persons home. But even in hospitals and care homes if you refuse intimate care from a man, you may wait a long time to receive care from a woman.

JKRowling is fuming.

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1546473378168594434?s=21&t=WnxTUQxWks-jdHtWpPs0ew

JKR:

I cannot overstate my contempt for those supporting policies that endanger extremely vulnerable girls. This is a travesty. Have we learned nothing from successive abuse scandals? Do we value the disabled so little? 1/5

Nearly 20 years ago I founded @lumos to reform care systems for vulnerable children. I know from long experience how vulnerable children are in institutions. The statistics on predation are appalling. Disabled women and children are many times more likely to be abused. 2/5

Predators go where there is access. Predators love victims who can't fight back or speak out. Successive studies show that 98-99% of sexual abusers are male. This validation of male feelings over disabled girls' protection is abhorrent. 3/5

I'm so bloody angry my hands are shaking. I'm the daughter of a disabled mother and I've campaigned for the rights of vulnerable children for many years, but I'm still constantly shocked by the cruelty and indifference shown to those who cannot advocate for themselves. 4/5

I urge everyone who feels the same way I do on reading this article to contact their MP, as I will certainly be contacting mine and anyone else I know who can stand up to this horror show. @Baroness_Nichol @ShaistaGohir. 5/X

Good for JKR. And yet some of the replies are awful - people who accuse her of transphobia but when challenged never produce evidence of anything she's said that is trans-hating.

There's that confusion over what a "trans person" is and how sex matters because the law matters, and safeguarding matters.

Some people making vile comments to JKR seem to think this tweet by her is trying to say trans women are more likely to commit sexual crimes against disabled girls and women and that is calumny.

They don’t understand that just as all men do not commit these crimes yet we should not give them any access to vulnerable girls and women for intimate care without a chaperone, just so men who have become trans women will be almost entirely safe but they shouldn’t have access either because of the small number who are not.

People seem to forget that becoming trans does not mean being more incapable of crime than anyone else. It seems to be seen as a sort of sainthood.

This article, and what JKR says, applies to all men, regardless of their ‘gender identity’.

Does anyone remember a thread posted on this board linking an article by a woman, who may be disabled herself, who was also writing on this subject? It could have been about a year ago. I cannot find anything on the new format search facility. That was extremely informative too.

At the very least there should be a chaperone…this is awful.

That's horrendous

I worked with a trans recently in a hospital setting. For me I thought it was misleading the poor patient and the family. Culturally it's well known that a lot of Asian families wouldn't want a man doing personal care but low and behold it was a trans doing personal care.

I think everyone is entitled to say its not right without having something against trans. It is simply not right.

Is it not the case tho, and I say this as someone who places vulnerable people with care agencies, that if your company has accepted a client who has asked for same sex intimate care and has not provided it, they are in breach of contract? In the same way as if they have said a carer can use Makaton or will have hoist training? We might liaise with a company once or twice if they failed to provide what they had been contracted for, but after that we would raise a safeguarding and change provider.

@MissyCooperismyShero I know about this because of what has happened to someone I know, this is not theoretical.
There is a massive shortage of carers. There are agencies ringing up some people and saying we can not provide any care visits today. Of course, agencies prioritise, and if you are told it is this carer, a man, or nobody, what do you do? Breach of contract presupposes you can find an alternative.

I have also seen online people state that a male nurse should only provide intimate care with another female member of staff. I can tell you that does not happen in hospitals.

They don’t understand that just as all men do not commit these crimes yet we should not give them any access to vulnerable girls and women for intimate care without a chaperone, just so men who have become trans women will be almost entirely safe but they shouldn’t have access either because of the small number who are not.

Honestly, I think many of the people affecting not to understand this understand it perfectly well, but have a vested interest in undermining safeguarding. It's not exactly taxing to understand.

There's a conflation of issues here. The article highlights the deliberate prioritising by the schools of the demands of staff for cross gender diversity with the parents being advised by the school / LA? that the law was outdated and against majority opinion. In other words changes made at the behest of lobby groups in open defiance of the legal rights to single sex care.
The pressures on care staff and at times, lack of staff are a different issue - and as posters have clarified may at times result in single sex care being unavailable.
This does not excuse the coordinated and deliberate removal of single sex care for these vulnerable girls and women by those captured by an ideology. Telling learning-disabled girls and women that they will have their sanitary towel changed, bottom wiped or be washed by a random male for ideological reasons is outrageous and unacceptable.

This is a very shocking story.

I'd focus on the fact that care homes are run for profit and the hedge funds and other want as many people in care and as few staff looking after them, and will skimp on background checks and rely on agency staff

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59504521

Will read full thread later, but OP: such, such, such an important thing to highligt and fight! this is the exact hill I am ready to die on. This is so dangerous and fucking insidious I want to scream.

will read thread when I can.

It is shocking. However the story is not about those making money out of care homes or staff shortages - which have been eloquently explained by some posters. This is about a school and local authority deciding to prioritise adult demands for cross gender diversity and abandoning the needs and legal rights of learning - disabled girls and women in favour of ideological demands.
These women will never be able to advocate for themselves - or to alert others to any abuse so it's additionally shocking that their rights are ignored like this.