Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC

[IcakethereforeIam]

I've not seen a thread on Amy on MN and the search didn't show up anything. She seems to be being put through the wringer by tras and by her nursing college.

I thought if she saw this thread it might be cheering , she's on twitter. I found her thanks to Bette.

quillette.com/2022/04/08/im-being-investigated-by-the-british-columbia-college-of-nurses-because-i-believe-biological-sex-is-real/

@Merrymouse Yes the protections for gender identity and expression were introduced in 2017. I hope the UK doesn't go down the same route of protecting gender identity because it has been terrible for women's sex based rights in Canada, and has completely stifled any discussion or debate.

"...Poilievre campaigning on the gender issue as getting into bed with Trump and he will want to distance himself from the US and show his patriotism."

He's following the US campaign approach with stupid nicknames, attack ads, and messaging to meet whatever he thinks voters want to hear (not what he plans to do). Not to mention he supported the Freedom convoy that never did figure out what they were actually protesting. He's been in parliament for years and done nothing.

He campaigned on getting into bed with Trump and his cronies on much more than the gender issue - he only changed his wording when Trump got so hostile. I don't trust him at all. He'd sell us out to the US in a heartbeat. He's been endorsed by the high profile US right wingers - Joe Rogan, Elon, etc.

I wrote to my MP about the Liberals' approach to the gender issue, asking if they'd look at the UK approach of protected characteristics of 1 group not impinging on another, but to me the highest priority is our country's safety and I hope the population votes accordingly.

@Justsaynonow
What response did you get when you wrote to your MP about the gender issue?

Agreed re the highest priority being the safety and security of the country as a whole. Poilievre has lost his main attack point and advantage against the Liberals with Carney dropping the carbon tax, and the big poll swing back to the Liberals suggests that much of the Conservative/Poilievre support was from pissed off Liberals who were tired of the Trudeau government - so they were probably not core conservative voters. I don't really have a sense of how big the conservative vote really is without the bump it got from Trudeau's unpopularity. With Trudeau resigning and the threats from Trumpland it looks like the conservatives have lost the advantage, but it all seems very unpredictable how that will play out given it's such a recent change.

As someone who is broadly centre to centre-left and has never voted conservative but is extremely disillusioned with the Left/Liberal abandonment of women's rights as well freedom of expression in general I was genuinely at a loss of who I could bring myself to vote for in Canada up until Trudeau resigning and Trump's threats to Canadian sovereignty. I have decided I will vote Liberal/Carney given the current reality Canada is facing, but I also think the gender issue will simply be buried at the bottom of the pile of non-priorities. Which is depressing but not surprising - when there's an existential threat all energy goes towards dealing with that.

Don't want to derail the thread entirely into the current state of Canadian politics and the potential election, although it is relevant to how sex-realist women move forward in this current situation. I also have very little sense of how much of a priority it is for many Canadian women - talking about it is too risky, as we can see with Amy Hamm's case.

Anyway, here's a barnstormer of an article from Amy from today: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/amy-hamm-i-spoke-the-truth-about-womens-rights-that-isnt-professional-misconduct

That's an excellent article, I admire her courage in ignoring her lawyer's advice. All power to her.

That’s a brilliant article. What a woman.

Wow! Bravo, Amy, you are dead right.

@SopranoPipistrelle Unfortunately no response. I may try again up the chain but I agree, it's an issue they don't want to deal with at present, especially after watching the US.

I read transcripts of the BCCNM proceedings and was absolutely shocked by some of the experts saying there were more than 2 sexes. I have finally almost wrapped my head around the grammatically incorrect they/them. But how anyone can believe an XY can become an XX is gobsmacking. Dress & live however you want, but a man telling women he's decided he's now a full fledged woman is the ultimate misogyny. Also, creating lifelong healthcare issues through surgical & pharmacological interventions (based on evidence from faulty studies) flies in the face of reality - just read some of the statements from detransitioners. It's not all rainbows and unicorns, or the fantasy in Picoult's Mad Honey.

I'm still finding it disconcerting to agree with certain hard core right wing people on this issue.

As a BC resident, I am appalled by this decision. On a personal note, I live in an area that has had difficulty recruiting doctors. My local clinic has not accepted new patients for years. As gp doctors leave or retire, they are being replaced by nurse practitioners who all belong to the BC College of Nurses and Midwives. This has just happened to me. Word of mouth says the nurse practitioner is "very good", but now I am wary as well as angry. I'm of a mind to say something on my next visit, but don't want to risk being cast out of the clinic.

There's an article in the New Westminster Times

https://www.newwesttimes.com/news/miscarriage-the-sham-trial-of-nurse-amy-hamm/article_f06a0f9a-01d5-11f0-8c12-6383c66de51c.html

Which is fairly scathing.

I don't know anything about this publication. Is it widely read and influencial? Or is it more niche?

I'd forgotten that Amy's witnesses were, when they were even permitted to give evidence, not questioned. Almost as if the Board had no interest in what they had to say. Almost as if they'd already made their minds up.

I hope Amy appeals.

@IcakethereforeIam I'd say the paper is small potatoes, with a definite slant. There are many articles about her - and Amy writes for them as well. Here's the CBC's article about the outcome. Remarkably (for them) objective, no editorializing.

Another article perhaps casting some light on how the panel was empowered to reach the decision they did

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-criticize-transgender-activists-at-your-professional-peril?taid=67d97560d2cb870001e764d8&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

She's not taking it lying down

https://x.com/preta_6/status/1903156589605032403

She has nothing to lose, has she? They've already damaged if not destroyed her professional life as a nurse, and no doubt deeply disturbed her private life - I feel so grateful for these brave women who put themselves through court cases and tribunals, at great personal emotional cost.

We already knew she was brave, knowledgeable and articulate, and now she's got nothing holding her back - watch out BC College of Nursing and Midwives, you don't know what you've stirred up!✊

Amy Eileen Hamm·
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I was just fired by VCHhealthcare after 13 years of employment as a registered nurse, with no severance, because I know that men are not women.

Fired for the first time in my life, and I’m in my 40s. I’m heartbroken. But, as I’ve said before: I stand proudly in truth. I have so much to expose.

I feel like crying

It’s unbelievable, except that it’s not. How awful. How unfair.

Oh, Canada, indeed.

Bastards.

Down but not out.

Amy Eileen Hamm

I have never been this strong before.

With an election incoming end of April it will be interesting to see if this gets discussed more as an issue. Liberals ahead in polls after dumping Trudeau, and because of Trump's tarrifs, but it seems likely Carney if he wins will be even worse for those who know biology is real.

I have no doubt that Hamm and others will win the end , but it is going to be a long nasty fight.

I'm afraid it's unlikely to come up. I think Carney and Pollievre are both staying away from it as it's a losing proposition on both sides.

PP I think gets the issue and at least would not make things worse. MC is, I suspect, a true believer, but is canny enough to know which way the wind is blowing.

Amy Eileen Hamm

I regret to inform my fan club of rabid, blue haired gender zealots that they’ve got nowhere to file their complaints about me any longer. Keep enjoying my posts—they’re about to get even better. I’m a free agent. And I will be naming names.

Is there anything Carney has said or done that indicates he's a true believer?

I haven't done a deep dive but a brief google has come up with this video from a trans/queer perspective essentially complaining that Carney has never made any supportive statements at all about trans or gender identity issues, which isn't really surprising given his banking background. But they are wanting him to make public affirmations of support like Trudeau did.

https://xtramagazine.com/video/mark-carney-lgbtq-stance-271712

The Xtra video doesn't mention Carney's daughter at all, but there's another Mumsnet thread about her apparent trans identification and activism (not sure if that's still current for her) but we know from parents on here that having a trans identifying or gender identity believing child doesn't necessarily mean the parents are true believers. It may well mean that he is compromised (which may well amount to the same outcome as a true believer), but I don't think we can infer anything about his true feelings and beliefs about gender from his daughter. Many parents/families don't "believe" that sex is irrelevant or their child has changed sex in the way their children want them to believe but they don't want to lose their relationship with their child, so there are all kinds of complex family dynamics. Without any evidence I don't think we can know his true feelings or beliefs.

A naively hopeful part of me is hoping that not having gender as a front and centre issue being pushed by the government itself (including if the Liberals win - I do think the lack of public statements and Trudeau style cheerleading on gender stuff is positive even it's a tiny step) and gender identity stuff getting less funding in a tighter economy might mean that there will be a slow burn effect where Canada begins to catch up with the UK and Europe, with pediatric gender medicine at least, and come to a more sane position. Unfortunately in reality I know that's probably much too over optimistic!

Sadly it's more likely that the women's rights and child safeguarding situation in Canada will just stay the same even if gender identity issues get less attention than before, and that's regardless of whether Carney is a true believer, compromised because of family relationships, or because the economy and sovereignty are unsurprisingly his main election focus due to the current situation with the US and his professional background in central banking.

Aha good points, I am leaping to conclusions as you say. Looking into it I can't find any statements, but one actual action Carney took so far is very very interesting:

In his first major move as Canada’s prime minister, Mark Carney eliminated roughly a third of all cabinet positions, including the crucially important Minister of Women and Gender Equality. This decision marks a major setback for women’s rights in Canada at a time when these rights are under threat around the world.

Carney, sworn in as prime minister on Friday, has justified the trimmed-down cabinet as a “smaller, experienced cabinet” positioned to move fast and secure Canada’s economy in the face of US President Donald Trump’s trade war with Canada and other threats...

The role of Minister of Women and Gender Equality has existed in various forms since 1971. Under former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, the minister was tasked with developing a 10-year National Action Plan to End Gender-Based Violence and Canada’s first 2SLGBTQI+ (Two-Spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and intersex) Action Plan, as well as supporting all ministers in advancing gender equality, particularly as it relates to economic participation and poverty reduction.

Note the Department remains it is just no longer in Cabinet.

So that clearly indicates that Carney doesn't think gender/sex in any form is that important. Carney hasn't officially moved to end the existing agenda, but it is certainly not a priority for him, but also he thinks women are not important either.

Carney's daughter thought she wasn't a woman in 2019. Lots of detail here, but obviously we don't know what he thinks:

"In a world that divides people into male and female, Sasha Carney doesn’t identify as either gender"
https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Yale-gives-students-3-gender-choices-not-all-CT-13579996.php

While there are indications that both main leaders may want to avoid the gender wars given that it is a Parliamentary campaign and the Conservative party as a whole want to end the medical experimentation on kids I think it is going to come up. Especially as Alberta has already taken action to end it and that has led to a legal fight.

Current Conservative party policy is very clear:
92. Protecting Children’s Mental and Physical Health
A Conservative government will protect children by prohibiting life altering medicinal or surgical interventions on minors under 18 to treat gender confusion or dysphoria, and encourage positive mental and physical health support for all Canadians suffering from gender dysphoria and related mental health challenges.

It is very likely that pro TA journalist will try to put Carney on the spot especially as it has implications for relations with Trump. There will be two election debates on TV it may come up there. So one way or another it is going to come up in the campaign. Obviously the campaign will be decided over the economy, but culture issues will play a part.

Amy Hamm going live today to discuss what is happening:

https://nationalpost.com/events/2025-03-27-np-talks-bad-nurse-the-case-of-amy-hamm?

Kind of looks like by firing Amy they just have unleashed her to fight back more strongly.

Thanks for the article criticising her hearing, Cakey.