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Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC

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IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2022 12:57

I've not seen a thread on Amy on MN and the search didn't show up anything. She seems to be being put through the wringer by tras and by her nursing college.

I thought if she saw this thread it might be cheering Flowers, she's on twitter. I found her thanks to Bette.

quillette.com/2022/04/08/im-being-investigated-by-the-british-columbia-college-of-nurses-because-i-believe-biological-sex-is-real/

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DrBlackbird · 20/03/2024 08:38

@fromorbit that statement is equally heartbreaking and frightening. Orwellian is not an inappropriate characterisation of the BCCNM’s approach to Amy’s social media posts. Doesn’t give any reassurance for what will happen post the Online Safety bill passing into law. Just another means to control women and punish them for speaking up.

fallfallfall · 20/03/2024 21:29

Rahim Mohamed: Gender critical nurse wins public opinion battle against woke activists (msn.com)

ah legal team suggested that the drawn out case could be considered harassment i wonder if she would be able to sue (i hope so, hitting the college in the pocket book might help them realize that a majority of their members are women).

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/rahim-mohamed-gender-critical-nurse-wins-public-opinion-battle-against-woke-activists/ar-BB1keKNi?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=1e64426220904f37b0d2dfd2cf3dd881&ei=100

lcakethereforeIam · 13/11/2024 15:19

Just found this link. It should be where the decision will be published

https://www.bccnm.ca/Public/complaints/Pages/Notice.aspx?NoticeID=790

Sets out how long this has dragged on for too. The process....

Notice

https://www.bccnm.ca/Public/complaints/Pages/Notice.aspx?NoticeID=790

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/11/2024 15:23

What’s been happening to Amy over the last number of years is the absolute definition of the process is the punishment.

I’m in awe of Amy’s refusal to give up/give in after all that’s been done to her.

fallfallfall · 13/11/2024 15:50

The wait is punishment and a very sad reflection on the college.
I hope she can at some point sue them for this mistreatment.
Meanwhile in Canada NO ONE has stepped forward to “re educate” Jordan P.
The governing bodies are captured and yet it seems most professionals have not figured out how to explain away biology.

miri1985 · 25/11/2024 05:57

Thats very sweet of JK.

I cannot understand this process, hearings spaced months apart and then no verdict for ages. This is one of the worst legal processes I've ever heard of. I don't know how they expect a fair adjudication to come from this.

The stress of the spread out hearings and then no judgment for ages, must be torture

miri1985 · 25/11/2024 06:01

Goodness its not just Amy, look at the dates they conducted these hearings on and no decisions yet. The first one at least was heard on consecutive days but in 2022 and no decision yet

miri1985 · 25/11/2024 06:03

Hopefully photo adds to this one

Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC
themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 25/11/2024 09:45

I too hope she can sue them for the despicable process and the stress it's caused. There's just no rational justification.

MarieDeGournay · 25/11/2024 10:42

What I like about this gesture is that it is obviously instinctive, and maybe not well thought-through - I mean, there are so many things wrong with the very idea of a $5,000 handbag, and that $5,000 could be put to better use, and is Amy going to be able to parade around with a $5,000 Gucci handbag?

I can imagine the online conniptions from the JKR haters around all that...

But a brave woman says she wants one, and a generous and brave and extremely rich one says 'Here, you've earned it'.
Feck the begrudgers, it's gloriousSmile

duc748 · 25/11/2024 11:00

It absolutely is. Good people in the world.

fallfallfall · 25/11/2024 18:16

@miri1985 after x amount of time of not practicing the route back into nursing will require going back to some type of formal/supervised education. it's ticking timebomb to loosing ones license to practice regardless of if AH was or wasn't right.

UtopiaPlanitia · 26/11/2024 14:24

fallfallfall · 25/11/2024 18:16

@miri1985 after x amount of time of not practicing the route back into nursing will require going back to some type of formal/supervised education. it's ticking timebomb to loosing ones license to practice regardless of if AH was or wasn't right.

You make an excellent point, this ‘investigation’ is, in effect, sabotaging Hamm’s career whatever the outcome.

miri1985 · 14/03/2025 03:34

I'm just reading the decision and the statements she was found guilty of having brought her profession into ill repute are nothing I would consider in any way offensive.

This is the first one, its an opinion that a woman should have the right to hold and express.

"Page 74 of Tab 4: This page contains the final paragraph of an online article which is reproduced in full at Tab 30 (pp. 276 – 278). The College maintains the statement “trans activists determined to infiltrate or destroy women-only spaces” at p. 74 is discriminatory because it suggests that transgender persons will destroy female spaces. The statement is made in the context of an article which addresses the Vancouver City Council’s decision to rescind an annual grant to the Vancouver Women’s Shelter because it refused to allow males who self-identify as women to access its services and shelter. The Respondent quotes from a Vancouver Women’s Shelter member and former client who described how the rape relief services changed her life.
The Respondent reports that the Vancouver Women’s Shelter plans to host its annual fundraiser, noting that many prominent feminists and allies have publicly offered support. She concludes by observing the Vancouver Women’s Shelter will “surely (and maddeningly) face continued backlash from trans activists determined to infiltrate or destroy women-only spaces. The women of VRR, however, are clearly up to the task”.

During the hearing, the Respondent testified she is not speaking about transgender people generally when she refers to trans activists:
A … sometimes I’ve said trans activists as well, which maybe as a side-note I would just mention I’ve been misinterpreted when I’ve said or criticized trans rights activists. I’m not speaking about trans people when I say that I’m speaking about the people that are activists for this cause, and who embrace gender ideology, and it’s – you know, it’s a movement that is infringing on the rights of women and pushing institutions to adopt what I believe are false and delusional beliefs about reality. And often this is a movement that has in my personal experience become extremely abusive towards women who speak out against it.

The Panel agrees with the College that the reference to trans activists infiltrating or destroying “women-only spaces” has a negative connotation of improper, illegal, aggressive, and destructive conduct. Although the statement is directed to “trans activists”, who may or may not be transgender persons, and the Respondent sought to distinguish transgender activists from transgender people generally in her evidence, the Panel finds that a reasonable person would associate those comments with members of the transgender community. The comment is discriminatory and derisive as it suggests all transgender activists will act in an improper and aggressive manner in attempting to infiltrate or destroy “women-only spaces” and derogatory to the extent it is designed to lower the standing of transgender persons in the community and elicit outrage and contempt. The Respondent is identified as a “registered nurse educator” in the footer to the online article. "

https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Decision-on-Verdict-March-13-2025.pdf?mc_cid=74250c43b1

https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Decision-on-Verdict-March-13-2025.pdf?mc_cid=74250c43b1

duc748 · 14/03/2025 03:36

Drown the witch.

fallfallfall · 14/03/2025 04:00

how very frustrating.
i hope the college's disciplinary actions reflect that so much has come forward regarding women's spaces and safety.

AlexandraLeaving · 14/03/2025 06:00

Fucking hell. I hope she has the strength and support to appeal (although I don’t know enough about the Canadian justice system to know whether she has grounds to do so.

Gettingmadderallthetime · 14/03/2025 08:42

I really hope that reasonable people would understand that trans activists are not synonymous with trans people. The judgement uses the words 'trans community' as a sort of stepping stone. Trans activists and trans people all sit within the same trans community so ...

This was a horrible case and this outcome could put me off Canada. But, I understand that the trans allies of Canada are not synonymous with Canadians.

Igmum · 14/03/2025 08:55

Damn. So women in Canada don’t have freedom of speech? Roll on a new government in the autumn (and I’ve always admired Mark Carney - maybe he can sort this out before then)

SinnerBoy · 14/03/2025 09:10

Blimey, that's devastating and a perverse judgement. They seem to have over reached in conflating activists with all trans people - possible grounds for an appeal?

bezell · 14/03/2025 09:12

The decision reads like it was penned by trans activists. The sexism leaps off the page:

251. At Tab 24 of the Extract, the Respondent makes a series of statements regarding gender issues in her article entitled “On feeling like a woman”. The Respondent states “there is no absconding” from female bodies, the feeling of being a woman does not exist, and there is no “incantation or initiation that can transcend bodily reality” without a female body. The Panel finds that these statements are untrue and unfair to transgender women as they deny the possibility that that an individual born into a male body can feel like a woman and effectively deny the existence of transgender women. The Panel does not accept that an article containing the Respondent’s personal reflections on womanhood constitutes political speech, although it accepts that her musings contribute to social discourse about the meaning of being a woman.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 14/03/2025 09:13

SinnerBoy · 14/03/2025 09:10

Blimey, that's devastating and a perverse judgement. They seem to have over reached in conflating activists with all trans people - possible grounds for an appeal?

Ridiculous, isn't it? I hope no nurses in Canada ever suggest that young earth creationists are misguided, because that would be derogatory to all Christians ... or something.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 14/03/2025 09:15

bezell · 14/03/2025 09:12

The decision reads like it was penned by trans activists. The sexism leaps off the page:

251. At Tab 24 of the Extract, the Respondent makes a series of statements regarding gender issues in her article entitled “On feeling like a woman”. The Respondent states “there is no absconding” from female bodies, the feeling of being a woman does not exist, and there is no “incantation or initiation that can transcend bodily reality” without a female body. The Panel finds that these statements are untrue and unfair to transgender women as they deny the possibility that that an individual born into a male body can feel like a woman and effectively deny the existence of transgender women. The Panel does not accept that an article containing the Respondent’s personal reflections on womanhood constitutes political speech, although it accepts that her musings contribute to social discourse about the meaning of being a woman.

Patronising ("her musings") as well as batshit.