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Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC

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IcakethereforeIam · 05/07/2022 12:57

I've not seen a thread on Amy on MN and the search didn't show up anything. She seems to be being put through the wringer by tras and by her nursing college.

I thought if she saw this thread it might be cheering Flowers, she's on twitter. I found her thanks to Bette.

quillette.com/2022/04/08/im-being-investigated-by-the-british-columbia-college-of-nurses-because-i-believe-biological-sex-is-real/

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nauticant · 18/03/2024 23:22

bf's position is that any criticism of the ideology in any sense erases the existence of trans people. That's it.

chilling19 · 18/03/2024 23:23

Race argument again.

ILikeDungs · 18/03/2024 23:24

Race again. Where is my bingo card

Water fountains??

(Such a thing exists in Canada, not so much UK)

Snowypeaks · 18/03/2024 23:25

I'm not watching or following on TwiX, hence the questions..
Did bf say that AH must not push back against gender ideology, ie warn her against gender blasphemy?

nauticant · 18/03/2024 23:26

Yes. It's the core of her argument.

ILikeDungs · 18/03/2024 23:29

resumes 10 a.m. tomorrow

nauticant · 18/03/2024 23:29

Back at 10am. Because they weren't able to complete bf's submissions and responses to questions, she'll resume then.

fallfallfall · 18/03/2024 23:30

painful to listen to bf.

chilling19 · 18/03/2024 23:31

That was PAINFUL.

nauticant · 18/03/2024 23:34

Here's a question to those who've been following this carefully. To what extent are the panel members capable of writing a judgment at the level of sophistication we've seen in cases like Forstater etc?

ILikeDungs · 18/03/2024 23:56

I cannot claim to have been following this carefully, but l have been interested in the case because it is Canada. The panel members will be constrained whatever their deep held convictions, by the prevailing miasma. Canada is very TWAW in the media (not so much the public, but many are taken in).

And then there is Bill C-16:

If someone refused to use a preferred pronoun — and it was determined to constitute discrimination or harassment — could that potentially result in jail time?

It is possible through a process that would start with a complaint and progress to a proceeding before a human rights tribunal. If the tribunal rules that harassment or discrimination took place, there would typically be an order for monetary and non-monetary remedies. A non-monetary remedy may include sensitivity training, issuing an apology, or even a publication ban, he says.

If the person refused to comply with the tribunal's order, this would result in a contempt proceeding being sent to the Divisional or Federal Court, Brown says. The court could then potentially send a person to jail “until they purge the contempt,” he says.

I am not suggesting Amy's case is a pronoun case, just that way back in 2017 the above was enacted with all involved patting each others backs and feeling very virtuous indeed. BARBARA FINDLEY continues this mindless struggle for trans rights in the face of reason and facts. To me the panel can see through this but to what extent are they captured or threatened by the ideology? Canada is utterly destroyed by GI, just so very destroyed. I despair.

"Until they purge the contempt." Sends shivers.

nauticant · 19/03/2024 00:14

That fits in with my concern. This case is being heard at a very modest level but the issues in play are effectively political and at a much higher level. Does the panel have the capabilities to operate at that higher level, and more importantly, will they have confidence and the authority to do so? Or will they play it safe?

Datun · 19/03/2024 00:14

Placemarking

Snowypeaks · 19/03/2024 01:06

nauticant · 18/03/2024 23:26

Yes. It's the core of her argument.

Good grief. How does that even qualify as a legal argument?

Snowypeaks · 19/03/2024 01:15

There's the Canadian constitution, which might be helpful, but AH would have to take the case to the highest court in the land, presumably?

Regarding BF's long-windedness, does anyone else wonder if she is trying to eat up the time so that the case has to be adjourned again?

Signalbox · 19/03/2024 08:54

nauticant · 18/03/2024 23:34

Here's a question to those who've been following this carefully. To what extent are the panel members capable of writing a judgment at the level of sophistication we've seen in cases like Forstater etc?

If it's anything like the UK they will either have a legal adviser who sits with the panel to advise them on the law or otherwise the chair will be legally qualified. The panel are usually comprised of at least one registrant and at least one lay member. The lay members tend to have lots of experience in similar areas so the quality of the determinations are generally (but not always) of good standard.

Canadianmouse · 19/03/2024 09:45

C-16 was one thing. Our upcoming Online Harms bill is even more concerning. Potentially indefinite house arrest on just the suspicion that you're about to commit a hate crime? And that includes saying mean things online...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/07/justin-trudeau-canada-legislation-hate-crimes-free-speech/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/13/canada-is-descending-into-tyranny-under-trudeau/

I really hope the writers are just blowing things out of proportion but the way things have been going in Canada for the past few years... It's worrying.

Canada considers house arrest for people at risk of committing hate crimes

Critics warn ‘draconian’ proposed law is an overreach of power and could stifle free speech

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/07/justin-trudeau-canada-legislation-hate-crimes-free-speech

Canadianmouse · 19/03/2024 09:50

Sorry, I didn't realize those were paywalled link. They weren't when I was reading them so I thought I could share. Hmm. Putting them into archive.ph will fix that though. Is it ok to post the archive links here?

IcakethereforeIam · 19/03/2024 10:04

I've been able to post archive.ph links with no problem. Sometimes MN will quarantine posts from archive sites and then allow them up.

Thank you, everyone, for the updates on yesterday's head case.

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Canadianmouse · 19/03/2024 10:45

I'll give it a try with the archive links then. Apologies for the multiple posts.

First article: https://archive.ph/pdrwp
Second article: https://archive.is/DaIeI

Amy, if you happen to read this, I am so sorry for what you're being put through. Not just from the cry-bullies who put you in this mess but all the so-called professionals who have enabled and encouraged this witch hunt. As a former nurse it's awful to see what your professional body is putting you through and how captured they are. Nursing, and medicine in general, used to be about evidence based practice, not feelings and hyperbole.

You are an incredibly strong woman. I am honestly in awe. I wish you the best and I genuinely hope that the panel see sense.

UltraLiteLife · 19/03/2024 14:11

nauticant · 18/03/2024 22:49

The discussion is now the I ❤ JKR billboard. There was a discussion about nexus, where the reasoning was shaky, and now there's a discussion of its meaning and how it can be interpreted. The reasoning here is "well, JKR is a transphobe".

A photo of the billboard.

Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC
chilling19 · 19/03/2024 17:16

Ok, we are off with Amy's closing arguments

chilling19 · 19/03/2024 17:19

Nice reference to George Orwell.

Signalbox · 19/03/2024 17:37

Interesting she's asking the panel to follow the UK courts.

LarkLane · 19/03/2024 17:51

Following. Thank you for listening in to this shit to keep the rest of us informed.