Amy Hamm - Canadian Nurse being disciplined for being GC

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I've not seen a thread on Amy on MN and the search didn't show up anything. She seems to be being put through the wringer by tras and by her nursing college.

I thought if she saw this thread it might be cheering , she's on twitter. I found her thanks to Bette.

quillette.com/2022/04/08/im-being-investigated-by-the-british-columbia-college-of-nurses-because-i-believe-biological-sex-is-real/

Is this an official statement by the medical professionals of the British Columbia College of Nurses and Midwives that there are more than two sexes, and that humans can change sex and change their sex chromosomes? Absolutely wild if so.

250. At Tabs 21 and 22 of the Extract, the Respondent associates herself with the caWsbar Position Statement which advocates for sex-based rights of cisgender women and girls. The organization’s stated mission is to take action to protect sex-based spaces using its collective voices to demand that women’s and girl’s Charter rights be recognized and defended by various non-violent means such as increasing public awareness and education, increasing political pressure, and bringing legal challenges. The Panel accepts Dr. Bauer’s evidence that there is limited truth to some of the statements while others are oversimplifications or simply untrue. The statement that sex is distinct from gender as a material biological reality is true but other claims such as there are only two sexes, humans cannot change their sex, and sex chromosomes are immutable are either oversimplifications or not true given that sex is multidimensional. Some of the statements are unfair to the extent they advocate for legal changes which would adversely impact the equality rights of transgender women; however, the Panel also recognizes that the Position Statement constitutes political speech advocating for sex-based equality rights of cisgender women and girls. As well, unlike some of the Respondent’s other online statements, the Position Statement is drafted in less inflammatory terms without statements which are overtly derogatory to transgender people.

Shame on these decision makers. A devastating result for Amy and for women and girls in Canada. Amy may you have the strength and support to appeal. It is truly terrifying. Oh Canada WTFH! Dystopian times.

The immense peaking effect from Yaniv's bollocks gets a mention.

148. The Respondent confirmed she was also one of the co-founders of caWsbar, a non-partisan coalition of women across the country which focuses on women’s sex-based rights and the protection of women and children. She explained that caWsbar was formed in the aftermath of, and in response to, the human rights case involving the estheticians who refused to wax the genitals of a transgender woman. The caWsbar members were outraged that a woman could be compelled to handle male genitalia. The caWsbar organization engages in letter writing campaigns to politicians and governments to raise awareness and encourage discussion amongst Canadians. The Respondent said this is important because few people are willing to talk about these issues because opponents will try to destroy their lives. She denied that caWsbar is trans exclusionary. The Respondent testified that she was not involved in drafting the caWsbar Position Statement but was on the steering committee which endorsed it. The Respondent testified she was not involved with the caWsbar Twitter account or any of its publications or communications, and confirmed she only tweeted under her own name.

Appalling decision, and the reasoning behind it as outlined is unbelievable. Poor Amy, I do hope she appeals, Canadian women are in dire need of Amys who are willing to stand up to such extraordinary misogyny.

The Canadian government is a disgrace. I don't see it getting any better under Carney.

I'm gutted for amy and I hope she can appeal.

The statement that sex is distinct from gender as a material biological reality is true but other claims such as there are only two sexes, humans cannot change their sex, and sex chromosomes are immutable are either oversimplifications or not true given that sex is multidimensional.

'given that sex is multidimensional'.
'Given that'? Given by whom? it is not 'given', it is hotly contested.

But what does 'multidimensional' even mean in the context of sex - how does being male or female have 'dimensions'?

I could go on spluttering with incandescent rage at their misuse of language, and the horrible consequences for Amy Hamm.

I know it's of no practical benefit to her, but this ruling is so obviously unfair - the 'given that' is a massive red flag saying 🚩'No Objectivity Here' 🚩- that she comes out of it philosophically victorious.
Yeah I know, philosophical victories butter no parsnips..😞🚩

Might as well have said sex is "quantum", increase the bullshit level.

(It isn't actually even single-dimensional, let alone multi-...)

Wasn't there a case in Canada a while where a biological male was exposing himself with children present in a female changing room and the child was expected to be educated in how not to look at other people and to mind theor own business. 😡. In a sane world he should have been prosecuted for indecent exposure.

'multidimensional' jumped out at me too! WTF is that supposed to mean? How has this anti-science rubbish ever found favour? I wonder how confident Amy was? Of course I thought she'd sail through, but what do we know on the other side of the ditch? No doubt this will have an effect of nurse recrcuitment (although I'll bet they're paid better in Cananda).

I assume its because of the 2 spirit thing that they keep claiming indigenous Canadians believe in people being trans/non-binary when in reality they were perfectly aware of sex.

Panel clearly wouldn’t know a reasonable person if they fecking fell over one. And indeed basics of material reality seem outwith their grasp.

May they all have the lives they so richly deserve.

I imagine the suggestion that sex isn’t based on gametes is where the multidimensional comments come from eg hormonal sex is frequently brought up by activists.

Amy was never going to get a fair decision from the panel, they couldn’t even give her a basic fair hearing: there was so much bias shown towards her and her lawyers by the panel during the hearing that it was obvious that the hearing’s intent was simply to punish her.

How can these people be so wilfully dim? No-one is denying that some men say they feel like a woman, we just don't think the rest of us should have to go along with it, and we certainly don't think sex-based laws should be rewritten to accommodate this belief. (There's meme on this that escapes me right now.)

I wonder if Posie Parker has her eye on Canada next.

The country congratulates itself so fucking hard on being woke, it will be interesting to see exactly how fricken unwoke it gets over Posey Parker.

No man can feel like a woman any more than a white person can feel black. Nobody has any idea what it feels like to be a member of the opposite sex. In truth nobody has any idea what it feels like to be a member of the same sex as we have no way of tapping into subjective feelings of others in that way.

All that time! The mountain laboured and gave birth to a mouse, sex to be determined.

That Amy gets castigated for accurately describing what trans activists have done because her talking about it might make trans people look bad. The actions though, the things they did, just handwaved. Can Canadians not talk about what criminals have done because it might make their groups look bad?

I hope she appeals. That should take another few years...decades.

An unsurprising but utterly depressing outcome :(

The situation in Canada is hopeless. Even if Carney is not a genderist (it seems unlikely that he is, and many Gen X and older generations are only in favour of of gender ideology because they don't seem to understand what it actually means in practice) it's unlikely to be much of a priority given Canada's current trade war situation. Canadians are also positioning themselves as against Trump and the US so I don't think the pushback that has been successful in the UK is going to happen in Canada.

I was toying with the idea of voting for Poilievre, as a single issue voter, but not sure if that would actually make much difference. And I dislike Poilievre and wouldn't vote for him or the Conservatives usually. Gender identity and expression as protected characteristics are written into Canadian human rights law in a way they are not in the UK (as far as I understand the Equality Act protections and GRCs but I'm not a lawyer so anyone with a better grasp please jump in!).

https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadas-gender-identity-rights-bill-c-16-explained

I can't see this legal landscape changing any time soon, although maybe Amy Hamm will take this case to the BC Supreme Court and it will turn into Canada's version of Maya Forstater.

given that sex is multidimensional'.

I hadn't picked up on that. To whom? Morons? Ill educated ideologues? Medico-scientific extremist deniers?

Fuck's sake.

To time travellers, obviously. It's why that lot love Dr Who.

My knowledge of Candian politics is surface level at best so take what I say with a grain of salt but I kind of presume Poilievre will force it into being an issue. They're on the same side with regards to tarrifs but maybe differ slightly on how to handle Trump whereas this is an area where they differ and the Liberal party can be hit hard. It wasn't as big of an issue as I expected in the US election but it still was an issue and the they/them ads had an impact.

If I was a reporter in Canada, I would be asking the Liberals what a woman is in the run up to the election.

I had thought the same thing about Poilievre as well, but I only have Canadian citizenship recently and lived most of my life in the UK, so I although I know Canadian politics better than a complete outsider it's still new to me. I read something recently that suggested that Poilievre would be limited in what he could actually do because of the way provincial politics works, and that social liberalism (well what people think is liberal, obviously this issue is completely regressive) is baked into Canada so he would have little traction on this issue. Unfortunately I can't find the article, which is frustrating, but I do remember thinking after reading it that it would be pointless voting Conservative if in reality it would make no difference! Of course that article's perspective could be wrong, but I'm not sure Poilievre will want to push hard on this issue in the election campaign.

Trump's threats of to Canada's sovereignty and annexation are a big deal here and taken seriously, people are boycotting the US and are very angry so anyone aligning themselves with Trump is going to struggle in an election. So Poilievre has lost a ton of his appeal to lots of voters almost overnight. The Liberal ratings are now on par with the Conservatives, which is a major and sudden change. We'll see what happens but I think that Canadians will see Poilievre campaigning on the gender issue as getting into bed with Trump and he will want to distance himself from the US and show his patriotism.

Anyway, the Canadian political landscape has changed drastically in a short period of time - we'll see what happens when Carney calls an election.

Charles Darwin must be turning in his grave.

"other claims such as there are only two sexes, humans cannot change their sex, and sex chromosomes are immutable are either oversimplifications or not true given that sex is multidimensional."

It sounds as though they were confused.

Sex is not as simple as 'XY' and 'XX', but sex is defined by the organisation of the reproductive system around gamete production, not chromosomes.

None of this means that humans can change sex, or that there are more than two sexes.

"Gender identity and expression as protected characteristics are written into Canadian human rights law in a way they are not in the UK (as far as I understand the Equality Act protections and GRCs but I'm not a lawyer so anyone with a better grasp please jump in!)."

Did that come in in 2017?

The UK Equality Act was passed in 2010, and protects 'gender reassignment', but there is no concept of 'gender identity', which wasn't really a thing then.

After that the Conservatives were in government for 14 years, and equality legislation isn't really their thing. (Although they did turn a blind eye to policy capture for years and flirted with self ID).