Another one for Irish Feminists - this person holds a GRC and might soon be held in Dochas prison with women and childrem

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This is a harrowing read.
I feel immensely sorry for the child that was. However I feel more frightened for the women and children G might be incarcerated with.

Butterer,

No worries at all, I was just responding to you.

Anyway this issue is always male to female infiltrators because they can. Command and control. I often wonder why female to male are so invisible in the debate.

It just doesn’t bear thinking about what women prisoners are being put through to validate others.

Amalfimamma, I said back upthread that there were probably legal ructions going on in the background related to the linking together of (1) what were originally anonymized court reports on a (then) child, (2) the internal Garda bulletin including old and new names, and arguably (3) the details of name change by deed poll (I gather this is a public document but nobody would have gone looking were it not for 1 and 2).

The court order from July 2020 must be what originally led to the "homicidal teenage girl about to be released" stories which unsurprising led to everyone going "huh? That doesn't sound right."

I do not know who first made this jigsaw identification but in all likelihood the links will have come from someone close to the case who acted in the public interest - I hope they are not victimized by Tusla, whoever they are.

Will be watching to see if other news outlets cave.

SecondRow

The burkean has taken down all barbie related news, the grpt is fighting it amd YouTube has blocked all barbie related videos in Ireland.

We are trying to see who else has gotten letters threatening lega action.
Any order relating to Tusla and Barbie would have been null and void once they were no longer a ward of the state so they are probably trying to hide their failure of when barbie was in care.

Let's hope it's not anything more sinister than that

I was actually surprised that at the first court hearing on 26th September the fact of him being male was openly reported by mainstream media (Irish Independent).

That's only because we've been conditioned by cases in the British media where it is press guidelines that dictate that a person's transgender status should not be mentioned unless it is directly relevant. Which of course it is with male-pattern criminality, but it's largely not reported as such in British media.

It is a good thing if the Gardai and Irish media haven't yet been subjected to such guidelines.

I see that RTE also reported on the case,
www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0929/1168303-court-threats/
including the fact that he is male, but without any of the background jigsaw identification details.

He/she should have been sectioned. If any harm is done while they are on the rampage, the authorities are up for serious compo claims.

Barbie can't be sectioned as an assessment showed that barbie was capable of making decisions.

Its why barbie is no longer a ward of Tùsla and is in the women's section of limerick gaol

I don't understand why Barbie cannot be named and the fact Barbie is 'id' ing as a woman. Not a victim with right to privacy. In fact and adult male who had stated their intention is to commit crimes against women. As women are half the population of Ireland, that is a matter of huge public interest and women have a right to know who has stated they wish to rape and murder women.

Cailleach1, going by the mainstream news outlets - RTE News and the Irish Independent, which still have articles online, Barbie Kardashian has and can be named, in connection with the charges for which he is currently on remand. Offences committed when already an adult and charged under his current name.

We don't know the exact contents of what Tusla wrote to Gript but it seems highly likely that it is about linking court reports about the young person's past (when he was in Tusla's care for many years) with the identity of the now-adult.

The issue of him being in the women's prison seems to be entirely down to the GRA but is somewhat separate from whether a minor's horrific history (as both a victim and perpetrator) would prejudice fair trial or generally fair treatment of the person as he is now.

Do you have to be 18 years old to get a Certificate showing you id as the opposite sex? If so, the person in question was known by their original name and identity as an adult; even if just fleetingly before they changed their name.

Barbie changed their name in August. At 18 years and 8 months of age.

Under 18 you can get a GRC in Ireland but it needs to be approved by a judge.

I've seen the letters sent and am awaiting a copy of the court order but it looks to be balls from what I've seen, as in Tusla hiding something

Also, I wonder if they will they be going to trial for something. Who balances up if the right to safety of Barbies intended targets makes disclosure of public interest issue.

I understand it is of no consequence to males as females or women (as we once knew them) are the intended targets for Barbie. Also, I don't think that it is Barbie's classification of women, ie Transwomen that are the intended targets. Barbie has seemingly only attacked or target females, so I think despite all the equivocation that Barbie knows their apples from their oranges.

Yes you're right there.

Again another issue but self-ID for even younger kids, ie 16-17, is currently very much on the agenda in Ireland.

Rightie O. So Barbie was known by their birth name as an adult. Not only as a child. Not a case of needing to hide their identity as it does not only id them as a child.

It was reported that BK made threats against a woman and a man.

She is accused of four counts of making threats to kill or cause serious harm to a woman and a man, on dates in July, August, and September, this year.

From the RTE article.

But yes of course he knows what's what, with the pleas to be put in women's prison.

Amalfimamma, please do keep us updated on the court order if you can!

Well, the appeal court judgment that is in circulation and from which all the harrowing details of his history have been derived was only published by the courts with an initial as identifier (like "child X"), but this was then linked (by people unknown?) to his names when the news of a "homicidal teenage girl" hit the papers.

That's what I think the court order will be about, basically. Like some jurisdictions lock juvenile records or something like that?

But Barbie's other name (as an adult) and the threats they made as an adult to rape and murder women shouldn't be locked away or censored with the consequence of women more unsafe. All the better to identify them for their targets' safety.

I think that women are the predominant, if not exclusive, target. Did the man get in the way of them attacking a woman?

@SecondRow

Well, the appeal court judgment that is in circulation and from which all the harrowing details of his history have been derived was only published by the courts with an initial as identifier (like "child X"), but this was then linked (by people unknown?) to his names when the news of a "homicidal teenage girl" hit the papers.

That's what I think the court order will be about, basically. Like some jurisdictions lock juvenile records or something like that?

It was G. Presumably from his surname : Gentile.

The court order is interested in hiding his placement with Tusla and his placements while a ward and his "gender dysphoria"

Why are they so keen to hide that?

Ah... the RTE news article I linked above is gone. Was still there yesterday, gone today.

However, articles with the same content (current name, current charges and fact that born male) remain up on Irish Independent.

Well this story gets more interesting by the second. As the Gript story asks, why is Tusla involved in this cover up? Have they not enough cover-ups to be getting on with ?

I really believe this is the story that will turn the tide in Ireland and get us a hearing on the GRA - no one will tolerate the stupid "be kind" guff when they read this story. So we need to keep it at the top of the agenda. There is terror in some political circles that this will explode and middle Ireland will cop on to what has happened without their knowledge or permission - we need to keep at it until it does.

Someone got Tusla involved and I do not think it was a "concerned social worker".

sorry, wrong thread!

Just when you think it can't get more ridiculous

www.independent.ie/irish-news/prison-officers-demand-guidelines-on-transgender-inmates-39637102.html?__twitter_impression=true

"Prison officers are demanding procedural guidelines on how to deal with transgender inmates as male staff cannot search men who identify as women while female staff cannot search prisoners who identify as women but are physically still men.

The issue came to light less than a fortnight ago when staff were directed to search a transgender inmate because there was a suspicion she was carrying a concealed weapon.

Just as male prison officers from the specialist Operational Support Group (OSG) were due to search the prisoner, this was halted as she identifies as female.

Then, a number of female prison officers were requested to search the inmate.

However, this was duly halted as it is not permitted for women officers to search men, and the inmate in question has not had gender reassignment surgery.

OSG units across the prison service consist of specially trained officers to prevent the direction of crime from prisons and to detect prohibited articles.

A well-placed prison source said: "There was mass confusion when this issue arose. Basically no one was permitted to search this prisoner because we have no clear guidelines or policies on how to deal with transgender inmates.

"No one searched this inmate in the end and a wand metal detector was used to scan the inmate.

"No weapons were found on the prisoner. But this is not an ideal search method by any means. A physical search is far more effective. We are going to need a policy in writing on how to deal with this specific type of prisoner.

"Because in line with society, we will see more transgender inmates coming through the system."

The Irish Prison Service will now be asked to develop guidelines for circulation to all prison staff on policies for transgender inmates, including search guidelines.

One criminal defence lawyer says that the Gender Recognition Act 2015 has placed the State in an impossible position.

There are two transgender inmates within the Irish prison system. Both were born male but identify as women. The transgender inmates are both housed in women's jails and are understood to be kept separate from the rest of the prison population at all times. "