Another one for Irish Feminists - this person holds a GRC and might soon be held in Dochas prison with women and childrem

[XXSex]

This is a harrowing read.
I feel immensely sorry for the child that was. However I feel more frightened for the women and children G might be incarcerated with.

Oh dear. Who is going to break it to them? This is self ID. From the article, I think even without self ID they're going to have a situation where 90-95% of Transwomen don't do the 'gender' reassignment surgery either. Maybe even less will have had genital surgery in the case of being incarcerated for sexual offences. I presume their issue is the fact the inmate had male genitals.

Interesting how there was no public discussion or impact assessment. So now people in real life are beginning to encounter issues. It was sneaky and careless legislation.

The possibility of an inmate carrying a weapon took a backseat to the inmates 'gender' feels. Wow, isn't it amazing. Searched in the end with a wand, but that is not as good as physical search. Special dispensation, isn't it.

But how can there be a problem? We're constantly referred to 'ladydick' or 'female penis" so if the female prison staff are willing to do the search on "women" then so be it!

The language in the article is interesting. The writer of the article uses the there 'she' but the prison officers seem to be very definite the term 'she' a woman doesn't make. They are quoted as saying 'female staff cannot search prisoners who identify as women but are physically still men.'

There are going to be some interesting discussions ahead.
Wonder who requested the female officers to do a search and who halted it.

Given its about self ID, the male guards could clearly 'play them at their own game' as it were, and self ID as women for the search? The 'women' would be unable to object because bigot.

That this is going on at all though is fucking insane. And dangerous nonsense.

Just to respond to Zebedee point quickly.

I would imagine that lots of men are at risk in male prisons

Vulnerable men
Men who are weaker or perceived as it are gay
Child molesters
Etc

Problems with violence in male prisons need to be addressed

The answer is not to put one group in with the women. Why not all of them? It makes no sense.

I am really uncomfortable with the stuff about when they were a child being published. And also really uncomfortable with the apparent press blackout on what they have done and who they are once they became an adult.

Sunlight.

I think it was November 10th Barbie Kardashian was due back in court, anyone know?

The article in the Limerick Leader after the last court date is still up but behind paywall.

Judge imposes ban on media identifying woman accused of threatening to kill two people
www.thejournal.ie/judge-court-order-5262402-Nov2020/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

"There haven't been any problems in Ireland!"

Nobody is allowed to know about the problems in Ireland. How is that evidence that there are none?

[quote SecondRow]Judge imposes ban on media identifying woman accused of threatening to kill two people
www.thejournal.ie/judge-court-order-5262402-Nov2020/?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true[/quote]
Alejandro Gentile. Will this be the case that unravels GRA?

@wellbehavedwomen

"There haven't been any problems in Ireland!"

Nobody is allowed to know about the problems in Ireland. How is that evidence that there are none?

Meant to put a for one of those

They left out the bit that this self ID woman has also threatened to rape women. Nice of the court and media to minimise your threats in your favour.

Is the State going out of it's way to try to revert to the historical role of enablers of the abuse and potential abuses of women again?

There used to be a religious term about being in a situation which would tempt you; 'a dangerous occasion of sin'. They State are now turning that into 'a dangerous occasion of being harmed' for women. Not that it will necessarily always occur, just that the situation is created where it can occur more easily. Happily and merrily we skip back, this time to the tune and tenets of ideology labelled progressive don't ya know.

It is also a travesty that a female judge is complicit in the cover up - but not a surprise as women always facilitated the state in destroying the lives of other women in Ireland.

"vile” media reports,

Well, yes those reports were stomach churning but the vileness didn't come from the reporters. Did they mean that BK's vileness was the subject of media reports? And we can't have that now,can we because, everybody along, there are no problems with the GRA in Ireland!

Did anyone say anything that was more 'vile' than BK's threats towards women?

Correctly identifying the sex of a wannabe-murderer is not vile. Sorry. It just ain't.

Pointing out that having a potential rapist in a women's prison is dangerous is also not vile, unless you prioritise male feelings over women's safety... oh, wait, nevermind.

This is bullshit

Did you see my post on what’s being taught in schools next week on trans issues? Getting into the schools on this is indoctrinating children. If that happens it will be years before they’ll see common sense.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4077517-Irish-schools-Next-week-they-re-getting-training-on-LGBT-and-what-s-being-taught-is-worrying

From reading this groups website, it appears that they are entering schools only if invited. Is the Dept of Education is planning on teaching gender identity as part of the school curriculum?

Thanks XX, yes I saw your other thread, thanks for highlighting.
I'll be watching to see if anything gets pushed in DC's schools; and yes, I will be making a fuss if they do.

I don’t think you’ll know if they’re using it or not. I called both my boys and girls school and they were using it.

Once I pointed out the safe guarding issues etc they are recalling it and not using it. The male teacher in the boys school said that he’d speak to his teacher friends in other mixed schools.

Trust me when I say that you won’t know. I didn’t until I called.

I think that's very true. Unless you've teens who come back and report on what is happening in a lot of detail you're unlikely to know. Whether or not that organisation is in, have a look at the SPHE books your teens are using. IME it is cut and paste from TENI.

@3timeslucky

I think that's very true. Unless you've teens who come back and report on what is happening in a lot of detail you're unlikely to know. Whether or not that organisation is in, have a look at the SPHE books your teens are using. IME it is cut and paste from TENI.

I definitely don’t have that type of teens. I have the non talking types!