Billy Bragg

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Yes, really. He retweeted Zoe Williams article as a ‘powerful defense (sic) of trans rights’ and has gone on in replies to demonstrate he has zero understanding of what the issues are here. Keeps complaining about ‘negative stereotypes’. He’s stuck way back in ‘be kind, men are nasty to transsexuals in prison so let anyone self-identify into women’s prison’.

Many women & some men well on the way to ratio-ing him, but will he listen?

twitter.com/billybragg/status/1237489351535271938?s=21

Ffs - how disappointing

Unfortunately Twitter is just such a terrible place to have these conversations. I wish people of influence like Billy would research the issues, watch some videos (that's how I got started - by watching WPUK videos) and not just splurge half formulated thoughts across Twitter. It's so unhelpful.

Aww :( I love Billy, but I’m not surprised.

Billy should read before he unleashes his thoughts.

Can't stand the bloke personally. Is he really relevant any more?

Zoe Williams is a clown. Billy Bragg ditto.

I would be more surprised if he had thought about women in this.

He even said he's 'troubled' by a woman who doesn't have 'compassion' for a rapist who would want to be moved to a women's prison and said he finds women who don't want men to compete in women's sports competitions are 'discriminatory'.

I saw him on Newsnight before the election saying Labour would win, I read his article on the election defeat which was full of inaccuracies and concluded that the electorate love Labour and hate Brexit (I say that as a remainer).

He comes across as a deluded misogynist.

He comes across as a deluded misogynist.

And how people come across is what they are.

Yet another one who tweets about compassion etc then disposes as soon as the well thought out , sensible , non threatening genuine points are posted.

Haven't they learnt now they just look stupid.

Mind you nothing beats the "get in the bin" idior...

Zoe Williams is a clown. Billy Bragg ditto.

This pretty much sums up all that needs to be said on the matter.

This is to the point:

twitter.com/k_flynny1234/status/1237536226057445377

I'm not surprised - Mr Protest-Singer is like many left wing men, just doesn't see women's rights as an issue.

Isn't it weird that "biology" has almost become a dirty word amongst the woke? I do wonder where that will lead to - I and doubt it will be good for women. The narrative seems to be "you wanted equality - this is equality with men, everything's gender neutral, and anyone can be a woman now, and women don't even have to be women anymore!" Like we can opt out of it if we want, almost like we are choosing or identifying with our own oppression.

Didn’t he get his arse handed to him by a lot of Jewish ppl when he declared there was no way anyone in labour was anti Semitic? 🤔

That's perfect, nauticant.

Has Billy ever heard of Karen White? A look at that mugshot, and the record of assaults whilst in the female estate might give him a different perspective on who really deserves compassion.

Twat being a twat, hardly surprising.

Like many left wing men who romanticise traditional working class stereotypes, Billy views women as helpmeets to support men who are doing the important work.

but will he listen?
No. I very much doubt Billy Bragg has listened to anything he doesn't instinctively agree with in his whole life.

Men like Bragg seem to be able to write off "Karen White" as a terrible error by the prison service, which should not be used to argue against trans rights. Lots of people do. Vulnerable women simply do not matter as much as people's right to live their "authentic lives"

I think Blanchard's work should be made more public - but he is vehemently silenced by the TRAs - for obvious reasons. TRAs do not want to admit that a lot of late transitioning MTFs are autogynephiles.

I used to love Billy Bragg but he’s deep in the Labour cult so this was always going to happen.

he finds women who don't want men to compete in women's sports competitions are 'discriminatory'.

He’s a twat

There are a few points of discussion on FWR that i struggle with slightly

But quite honestly anyone anyone who can’t see Potential problems with transwomen or men on female sports teams or in female sports competitions is a complete fuckwit...

I'm not surprised really I remember him from the days of the miners strike. He was very much about the 'heroism' of the men, and not one shiny shit about the women and children who were also suffering.

Didn’t he get his arse handed to him by a lot of Jewish ppl when he declared there was no way anyone in labour was anti Semitic?

Yes Kit19. There are parallels between the Labour momentum and fellow traveller Labour factions approaches to anti semitism and transgender rights in that both are based upon a hierarchy of discrimination in which the rights of one group are less important than another.

As for Zoe Williams, she has never really spoken up for vulnerable women such as those with severe and enduring mental health problems or those in prison so I am not really surprised she has written this. In fact, I think she has said similar before.

I like that analysis of ‘you wanted equality - you’ve got it’, TheFlushedZebra.

I think it’s fabulous. The more misogynist crap that gets spouted on Twitter, the more people wake up and think wtf is going on.
Bragg is a v useful idiot in publicising the full horror of what TRAs are demanding - and how wonderfully encouraging is the pasting he’s getting for it! Normal sensible people are skewering his ignorant arguments and calling out his contempt for women. More sunlight!

Billy has been gone a long time. He's a woke nationalist and corbynista, so that he's now moved onto this subject and has a really daft opinion isn't surprising.

I'm not out on Twitter, if I was I would ask him and Zoe: Karen white - men's prison, women's prison or third space?

They never answer that directly as they know option 1 is right but terfie, option 2 is the woke answer but shows them to be a rape enabler which isn't a good look. And option 3 is a potential workable solution but puts the lie to TWAW shite.