Hey FWR - "We need both sides to live with some compromise "

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Warning: This thread will spontaneously combust after 10 posts!

As part of this 'complex subject' a poster started a thread to highlight that a trans activist appeared to have posted a twitter gif that implied they were 'dancing on the grave' of a prominent feminist who sadly died today.

The thread was deleted with this message:

Message from MNHQ: We're sorry to hear some users are not happy with our modding of trans discussions, and our updated Talk Guidelines.
This is a complex subject which is very hard to moderate, and since the two fundamental positions cannot easily be squared, it's likely that both sides will have to live with some compromise and even contradiction if they wish to move forward.
We realise that this will likely be frustrating to many, but we are convinced that our goal must be to support civil and constructive debate.

Civil and constructive debate?

Women point out destructive and uncivil debate from a trans rights activist,

Women also point out the biological sex of this activist.

Women are deleted and schooled in how they must refer to this destructive and uncivil 'debater.

both sides will have to live with some compromise and even contradiction if they wish to move forward

Women - shut up, compromise, live with the 'contradiction' (in this case, does it mean you must only talk about the person who is shitting all over women's spaces and rights if we use the right pronoun?)

The only people expected to have a civil debate in this shit show, are gender critical women.
It's a sanctioned free for all for everyone else.

no, we don't have to compromise with such hateful disrespect

I am curious about how the ‘reporters’ are compromising

And why some people who do disgusting foul things are allowed to be correctly sexed...and others aren’t

Im going with ‘depends how many twitter pals report’ as the deciding factor

How could they do that. I cant even begin to articulate my anger at what just happened. Honestly whats the point.

Is that coercive control mumsnet ?

Do Mumsnet still not get it?

There is no compromise to be had. It's total capitulation or nothing with these idiots. So nothing is what they'll get from me.

Am not sure now who,we allowed to call men

Is there special men who we can’t call men

Need a list of the allowed men and the disallowed men

I only saw the thread title and deletion message before it vanished ... this sounds bizarre in the extreme.

Compromise my arse! Actually I was looking for the deleted thread as I was reading it earlier. I was delighted to find that this McKinnon man had blocked me on Twitter, never even heard of him before

Hey MNHQ - how about you be a bit more Magdalen? What a legacy that would be.

I stand with Magdalen Burns on this, proud of her work, proud of being fair and proud of not compromising. Compromise is out.

Need a list of the allowed men and the disallowed men

Great idea

So far it seems you can correctly sex if........

No wait...ive got nothing. No idea what the rules are

The same rules that can get us banned...without telling us that we are in danger of being banned. Or indeed have been banned

Its like playing monopoly with no money, no hotels and someones nicked the dice

On a cluedo board

We need a stickie mumsnet. Of men we can call men and men we can’t call men so we can check whether we got the right men or the other men

That would be helpful

Please watch this MNHQ and think about what the word compromise asks of us

Yep

I second the stickie request

Is it that you can correctly sex if they have committed a crime?

Yaniv hasn’t committed a crime so its not that...or have they

I don't need to compromise

But I do need

Off to bed

I doubt the thread will be here in the morning

So far it seems you can correctly sex if........

If they're criminals so bad that the trans community/bbc etc conveniently forgets about the 'acceptance without exception' rule and disowns them first?

Mumsnet, did you honestly take Trump's 'very fine people on both sides' defence of Nazis and use it to shut down our conversation?!

That deletion message was shameful. We are talking about a person who is celebrating the untimely death of a young woman on the day she died.

If you think we should show respect to this person, your moral compass is so fucked up it's doing pirouettes.

The only people expected to have a civil debate in this shit show, are gender critical women.
It's a sanctioned free for all for everyone else.

Its like playing monopoly with no money, no hotels and someones nicked the dice

We need a stickie mumsnet. Of men we can call men and men we can’t call men so we can check whether we got the right men or the other men

All of this. Also doubt this will be here tomorrow, and also off to bed. But to those who've seen it - you all know. This is where we're at.

Spectacularly bad call, MNHQ.

Reflection required, methinks.

Women! Know your place!

This is a complex subject
It isn’t. It’s very, very simple. And, MNHQ, if you are ok with shutting women down, don’t be surprised if you’re next. Isn’t FWR a big reason for increasing numbers of MN visitors? Why not all migrate to SpinsterXYZ now? MNHQ have clearly nailed their colours to the mast, and they’re not green, white and purple.

Mumsnet, did you honestly take Trump's 'very fine people on both sides' defence of Nazis and use it to shut down our conversation?!

In fairness @Flissmumsnet Just lazily copy and pasted the talk guidelines here, presumably as the decision to actually interact with the board had at this point caused some issue with thinking about what had actually happened.

Ironic to delete and run with the pasted bit was about discussion and debate, but there you go.