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Hey FWR - "We need both sides to live with some compromise "

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pombear · 13/09/2019 22:40

Warning: This thread will spontaneously combust after 10 posts!

As part of this 'complex subject' a poster started a thread to highlight that a trans activist appeared to have posted a twitter gif that implied they were 'dancing on the grave' of a prominent feminist who sadly died today.

The thread was deleted with this message:

Message from MNHQ: We're sorry to hear some users are not happy with our modding of trans discussions, and our updated Talk Guidelines.
This is a complex subject which is very hard to moderate, and since the two fundamental positions cannot easily be squared, it's likely that both sides will have to live with some compromise and even contradiction if they wish to move forward.
We realise that this will likely be frustrating to many, but we are convinced that our goal must be to support civil and constructive debate.

Civil and constructive debate?

Women point out destructive and uncivil debate from a trans rights activist,

Women also point out the biological sex of this activist.

Women are deleted and schooled in how they must refer to this destructive and uncivil 'debater.

both sides will have to live with some compromise and even contradiction if they wish to move forward

Women - shut up, compromise, live with the 'contradiction' (in this case, does it mean you must only talk about the person who is shitting all over women's spaces and rights if we use the right pronoun?)

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Weezol · 15/09/2019 05:49

The discomfort some are feeling is your female socialization being used against you. Once you realise that it's easier to say nope, not happening, not going to be guilt tripped into putting men's feelings above the needs of women and girls.

When I fully realised this it was incredibly liberating in all spheres of my life. Notably, I could say 'no' to stuff without feeling the need to justify myself with a long (sometimes fictional) explanation.

MsTSwift · 15/09/2019 07:57

You see it on here - long convoluted lies and justifications suggested just so op can enforce her boundaries.
A lovely friend did this so well the other night. A slightly odd very pushy much younger girl was pressing her to give her her number and to spend the next day together. My friend said no in such a clear calm firm way.

Weezol · 17/09/2019 19:38

@YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet @JustineMumsnet

Has the meeting been scheduled yet?

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 17/09/2019 19:56

yes, I was hoping for an update. It would be great to hear what conclusions were reached, if any MNHQ

PickledGulag · 17/09/2019 20:31

It would be nice to have a shift but I remember this recent dodge...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3604694-Dearest-MNHQ-please-please-please-would-you

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 17/09/2019 20:41

Seems like people are pretty much being allowed to say what they think in the interim. If heavy moderation returns I'm out.

WellThisIsShit · 18/09/2019 05:05

I’m glad they reversed that crass and ill considered decision. Sadly I don’t think hq will review the ‘compromise and play nicely tee hee’ tightrope they are walking.

MoleSmokes · 18/09/2019 11:57

To be played on a loop at Mumsnet HQ while they consider current censorship policy:

Fallingirl · 18/09/2019 23:15

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MoleSmokes · 19/09/2019 00:53

Looking at the rest of the thread, if by "infiltrating Spinster" they mean "clomping about in size 12 TRA Troll Boots" then a better word would be "gatecrashing".

Disinformation campaign as far as Mumsnet is concerned is my best guess - @R0wantrees as a "member of the trans massive who was gathering data" anyone??

There are definitely some dubious characters on the FWR threads but R0wantrees FFS??

2BthatUnnoticed · 19/09/2019 01:21

Nah R0 is good. Just ignore the saddos.

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 19/09/2019 01:41

Whenever someone says it's complicated,
I conclude that it isnt complicated at all.

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 19/09/2019 01:48

The 'Trees' one, lol.
They have absolutely no idea.

The genie is well and truly out of the bottle.

AGP is common knowledge.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/09/2019 02:12

"Fear Rowan!"

No

WrathoSWhlttIeKIop · 19/09/2019 02:19

Ro has become bigger than the sum of her parts.

Let that sink in.

We know what AGP is.

Let that sink in.

TinselAngel · 19/09/2019 07:33

There are quite a lot of us here who know R0 in real life fortunately.

MrGsFancyNewVagina · 19/09/2019 07:50

Those tweets really stink of desperation, don’t they! It’s like a bunch of nasty teenagers who ‘try’ to bully someone by making up stories about them. Hilarious.🤣

TinselAngel · 19/09/2019 07:59

It really brings home the extent to which they make shit up and try and divide and rule.

EmpressLesbianInChair · 19/09/2019 07:59

I’m lucky enough to know R0 in real life.

The tweets are complete & total bollocks.

DickKerrLadies · 19/09/2019 08:01

Lies and bullshit is all they have, and all they ever bring here. It's why they're all so fucking obvious.

littlbrowndog · 19/09/2019 08:13

Jeez. Reading that twitter thread. How bizarre. We hate mumsnet.

Yet we can’t stay away and talk about it and sign up

Jeez how weird and creepy is that

Creepy creepy
If I didn’t like something I would just stay away
It’s weird behaviour

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/09/2019 08:21

I've yet to have the pleasure of meeting Rowan, but honestly, not a single person on the TRA side would be able to convincingly impersonate someone coming from her perspective. Not even for one comment. They think we don't know that? Please.

LangCleg · 19/09/2019 08:55

LOLs!

Excellent goad, Jacky, excellent goad.

ChattyLion · 19/09/2019 09:27

Ugh more sad individuals who need to grow up and do something a lot more useful for the world.

R0wantrees awesomeness goes on even when she is not posting. Flowers

EmpressLesbianInChair · 19/09/2019 11:17

I'm not on Spinster, but I hope they have a laundrette for Oflang's many socks. It could get quite smelly otherwise.