Feminism: Sex & gender discussions
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RedToothBrush · 17/11/2018 22:23
School with 17 children changing gender
hackmum · 19/11/2018 08:18
Why on earth do they always invite India Willoughby on to these programmes? Anyone know who Bob is up against at 10.30?
Ereshkigal · 19/11/2018 08:25
To be fair, there aren't really any reasonable TRAs, are there?
Ereshkigal · 19/11/2018 08:25
Plus all the others would likely simply refuse to debate.
RedToothBrush · 19/11/2018 08:37
Cos it's easier to speed dial India than to persuade a no debater to come on a programme
R0wantrees · 19/11/2018 08:38
Plus all the others would likely simply refuse to debate.
As Stonewall, GIRES, Gendered Intelligence, Mermaids etc are having so much influence in health, education, social care, govt policy etc, they need to start providing people who are able to discuss these things seriously and respectfully.
Its not a celeb thing.
The articles being discussed are whistleblowing safeguarding concerns.
AngryAttackKittens · 19/11/2018 08:42
We've long believed their was a strong link between Autism and gender dysphorio particularly female to male, I would expect nothing less than a campaign of hate and misinformation from the Mail on this subject. Autistic children whilst vulnerable are intelligent and creative
That's pretty much an inadvertent admission by Jenny that teen trans trending is a form of roleplaying engaged in by imaginative children.
whatsthecomingoverthehill · 19/11/2018 09:03
If 0.6% of people are trans and 0.6% of people are autistic then wouldn’t it be 0.6% of trans people are autistic if the two things have have no correlation? So 0.036% (0.6% of 0.6%) of trans people would be expected to be autistic (or vice versa) if it followed the general pattern of the population? Statistics is not my strong point by the way!
Sorry, that's wrong. If there is no correlation between trans and autism then you would expect 0.6% of trans people to be autistic (and 0.6% of autistic people to be trans). 0.036% is, on a whole population level, the proportion who would be expected to be both trans and autistic.
StealthPolarBear · 19/11/2018 09:08
Yes that's right and shows the importance of reading the question. You'd expect 0.6% of autistic people to be trans if there was no difference (by definition)
AspieAndProud · 19/11/2018 09:13
If you read the entire thread you’ll see I said that if dysphoria and autism are independent there would be a 0.0036% incidence in the population.
That Tavistock report a 25% comorbidity in their ‘clients’ indicates that autistics are staggeringly over-represented.
If that figure is correct then gender dysphoria cannot be considered independent of autism and their autism ought to be prioritised over gender dysphoria.
They need help from autism specialists before they are butchered or chemically castrated to validate the lifestyle choices of adults.
TimeLady · 19/11/2018 09:17
Supportative article from Conservative Woman
www.conservativewoman.co.uk/transgender-surgery-lobotomy-for-our-times/
You'd think Mordaunt et al would be listening to that demographic.
whatsthecomingoverthehill · 19/11/2018 09:21
Aspie, yes you are correct, it was this that I was disagreeing with:
So 0.036% (0.6% of 0.6%) of trans people would be expected to be autistic (or vice versa) if it followed the general pattern of the population?
RedToothBrush · 19/11/2018 10:10
Now imagine that 25% of those being referred to Tavistock were black.
People would be demanding to know what the hell is going on here that black kids are being disproportionately referred for gender reassignment.
Got to be honest, would they?
Look at the high prevelance of mental illness in prison populations.
You are assuming that enough people care to talk about it.
I fear this is an incorrect assumption.
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