Tomorrows Mail on Sunday Front Page

[RedToothBrush]

School with 17 children changing gender

[Imnobody4]

Just watched the Papers on BBC News Channel. They had it right there and ignored in favour of the Lib Dem peer suspension. What cowardice.

[silentcrow]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6401593/amp/Whistleblower-teacher-makes-shocking-claim-autistic.html?__twitter_impression=true

Full text here. It's astonishingly textbook - exactly how women have been predicting for years.

[Procrastinator1]

No, no mention on Sky apart from at the beginning when the read out the headline.

[RedToothBrush]

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7767662/students-school-17-pupils-changing-gender-autistic/
School has 17 children changing gender as whistleblower claims ‘autistic’ pupils are being ‘tricked’ into thinking they are the wrong sex
A teacher at the school claims older pupils who changed gender 'groomed' younger students to follow suit

And here's The Sun also covering it.

[RedToothBrush]

That student, who was born female, told Carol she wanted to identify as non-binary-a person – with no specific gender – in January 2014, at the age of 16 and two years after being diagnosed as autistic.

After consulting with her parents, the school agreed to change the student’s name on the register to one that was gender neutral. Teachers also agreed to use both male and female pronouns depending what gender the student identified as on any given day.

‘These pronouns could change from hour to hour depending how the student was feeling,’ Carol said.

[RedToothBrush]

And

According to Carol, nine of the 18 children she has seen identify as transgender have been diagnosed with autism while the rest had definite signs of the condition. ‘Typically, these children are bright outsiders,’ she says.

[colouringinpro]

Horrendous

[DeRigueurMortis]

It's been there in plain sight but no one wanted to talk about it for fear of being labelled transphobic.

Compare with the child abuse scandal in Rotherham. Despite many red flags and reports it was allowed to continue because of a fear of racism.

It's not hard to see when something is fundamentally amiss.

What seems to be hard now is pointing it out without the suggestion that your motivation is safeguarding, pure and simple.

[HirooOnoda]

The Daily Mail - I mean I am surprised yet not in any way surprised. I would love to know the reality of this situation as I suspect it has been misconstrued at best

[RedToothBrush]

Remember Stonewall's own YouGov survey had a self reported rate of disability of 50%. Buried away in the small print.

I do not think the Mail article mentions that.

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[RedToothBrush]

I think the phrase is: 'needs more research' And I'll stick an 'urgently' in there to boot.

[alex180]

As someone who came out as transgender during high school - I find this terrible and shocking.

How a teacher is able to share this sort of information is a huge safe guarding issue. I’m sure the school will know if it is about them - and shall have serious consequences on the teacher involved.

Gender identity and the meaning of transgender has blown up over the last few years. Young people and old people are now able to express themselves as they know who they are and they can understand it. It’s normal for young people to explore their identities, it’s normal for young people to not feel 100% comfortable within their bodies, and it’s totally normal for an individual to be transgender - and for a teacher to slam them for this is seriously worrying.

Mental health issues within young trans individuals are at an all time high due to discrimination and non - acceptance from those around them. So maybe instead of calling young people “attention seekers” “horrendous” or “dreadful” go and speak to them, visit your local lgbt+ centre and understand what it’s like.

We are not a debate, we are not a phase and we will never be shut down by negative media comments, negative people or negative energy.

• A trans person who wants to make the lives of trans people easier, and less political.

[scotsheather]

You couldn't make it up could you? Even if we accept a minority would be considered to have gender dysphoria by the traditional accepted meaning, this explosion in recent years has quite sinister patterns that can not be ignored any longer.

[RedToothBrush]

Welcome to MN.

Do you think it important we understand if there is a link between autism and being trans?

If there is, surely this would help schools give adequate support, rather than hinder the issue?

[Hackedoffwoman]

alex180 Nope, we see you. We see how you try to shut down conversations. We see how you try to stop reporting on safe guarding issues . We see you! Enough already, we as a group will never stop referencing our concerns on this ideological nightmare.

[FadingMint]

Eerm... In that article, there is a big photograph of the wrong politician. A photo of David Davis, politician, the former Brexit minister (and somewhat useless person, IMV); whereas the Tory MP who has been standing up for free speech for women, and good for him for doing so, is David T.C. Davies Conservative MP for Monmouth. There is a big difference between these two persons!

[ArcheryAnnie]

visit your local lgbt+ centre and understand what it’s like

alex180 many of us here are lgbt+ and have decades of experience of living, thinking, and discussing this. We aren't newbies that you need to educate, thanks. Many of us were also gender nonconforming as children, and are horrified at the way that young people are now being medicalised and sterilised, instead of their nonconformity treated as the perfectly ordinary thing it is.

tl'dr stop trying to teach your grandmothers to suck eggs

[citiesofbismuth]

I'm autistic and I don't conform to any 'gender'. This could have happened to me when I was young. Don't underestimate how much people hate and coerce autistic people. This is eugenics.

[IfyouseeRitaMoreno]

Why? What is their agenda? Why are they interested in transing kids?

And why are the kids transing now mostly female to male whilst the older transpeople seem to be male to female?

[Thingybob]

@alex180
Well done for being brave enough to come on here to express your views and I hope you don't mind me giving mine in return. As you pointed out it's normal for young people to explore their identities and it's been going on for decades. Think mods, rockers, hippies, punks, new romantics, emos and dozens of others. Many of us older people lived, ate and breathed our adolescent identities, truly believing that our new identity and associated culture were groundbreaking and the future.
But then things moved on, we grew up, we had new influences and experiences and we changed. The old identity went out and a new, usually more boring one came in. At first we were embarrassed by the physical modifications we made, the piercings or tattoos. Now, if we still have them, people just laugh.
The bodily modifications your generation are making won't be so easily erased. That's why us older people (I'm in my 60s) are worried and scared for you. I'm not a crazy, hate filled terf. I'm just a regular person who would hate to see any of my grandchildren make irreversible changes to their bodies due to exploring a teenage identity when experience tells me it is just a fad.

[FWRLurker]

“It’s normal for young people to explore their identities, it’s normal for young people to not feel 100% comfortable within their bodies”

Hi Alex. Thanks for posting. If this is he case, why do you later say “this isn’t a phase?”

Surely, many of these kids who are coming out as trans now are in fact as you put it “exploring their identities” and “uncomfortable wit their bodies” which I agree is incredibly normal?

Furthermore Why must we agree to sterilize and mutilate these children immediately or else be called bigots and reactionaries? It seems we should tell these children their feelings are a completely normal aspect of being humans.

[HelenaDove]

my 82 year old dad buys the Mail on Sunday. wonder what he is going to think of this Will confuse DM

[FadingMint]

Yes - "Leave them kids alone"!
Ring any bells?

We just should not fucking pathologise normal human teenage confusion.

[AngryAttackKittens]

So it's a phase but not a phase? Well done, Alex, impressive logic there.

Autistic kids are clearly extra vulnerable to social contagion on this issue and need extra safeguarding.

[FoldyRoll]

17 doesn't sound like a large number at all. There must be that many trans identified kids in DD1's Y10 cohort of 400 alone.
In another local school, one trans boy has a trans sister. Vegan cat scenario if ever there was one.