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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jack Monroe

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MercyMyJewels · 22/01/2017 17:52

twitter.com/MxJackMonroe/status/822996532228227078

Welcome back Jack

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 21/04/2017 20:34

Poor Jack. What has this got to do with her?

kafelnikov · 21/04/2017 20:34

Why are people so cruel to one another?! Isn't the world a screwed up enough place with us sniping over social media posts? If you don't like the twitter feeds or Facebook posts, don't read them, simple! No one is forcing you to. But if you are going to read them, please don't use it as cheap ammunition to attack someone you don't actually know. Yes Jack is a public figure, but does that mean she has to shy away from the internet. There are lots of other people out there struggling to come to terms with their identities who don't have the additional burden of people publicly tearing them apart every time they post something. She hasn't invited you to follow her and the personal attacks cannot be helpful to someone who clearly already has mental health issues. These forums are meant to be nice friendly welcoming places and I feel sad that anyone is driven away from them. I don't know jack or follow her story but as someone with friends and family that have suffered from mental health issues I do feel sad for anyone that is struggling with life and their place in it. I personally thought it was nice to see her on the gloss group seemingly anonymously experimenting with styles and appearing much happier (and she wasn't the only trans person on there-the others are simply luckier that they are not in the public eye) and it's a pity that her trust in that group has been broken.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 21/04/2017 20:59

I agree. I don't follow anyone on twitter or Facebook but if you do you atent forced to follow people you find irritating. She doesn't deserve the opprobrium she gets.

HomityBabbityPie · 21/04/2017 21:20

She's a public figure. She's now running for office. She's fair game like anyone else in the public eye.

icarus7 · 21/04/2017 21:46

Wow.
I`ll be off then.

icarus7 · 21/04/2017 21:48

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TheSmallClangerWhistlesAgain · 21/04/2017 22:02

Bonobos are the closest relatives of humans, and their groups are matriarchal.
Many pack animals (wolves are an example) are actually led by an alpha pair, rather than a lone alpha male.
Even chimpanzee social hierarchy is more complex than alpha male>everyone else. There are male and female hierarchies with their own leaders. The two cross over, but are not completely joined. The females move around more easily than the males, whose hierarchy tends to be much more rigid and territorial.

I too find Jack Monroe a bit irritating and tend to avoid her.

HoneyDragon · 21/04/2017 22:15

Wow. That teacup picture WORKS.

My god. I've inadvertently invented Mansplainer Repellentâ„¢ Shock

picklemepopcorn · 21/04/2017 22:40

It's a shame he has gone, really. I wanted to point out to him that if he wants to learn, as he claims, then he needs to listen more and speak less. What a waste of an opportunity to learn from the wisdom of matriarchs"

Smeaton · 21/04/2017 22:53

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Xenophile · 21/04/2017 23:12

I think people compare humans to other animals because we're animals and not really all that special.

user1487175389 · 22/04/2017 13:20

I don't really understand this thing about her standing in the general election and how it's all cloak and dagger. The last party she affiliated herself to was the Greens. If she's planning to stand on their ticker, there's due process. She'll need to be formally selected by the local party and its unlikely they'd go along with keeping it a secret and then 'ta da!' having a grand reveal. All prospective candidates would have their profiles circulated to party members in advance of the selection meeting, and she'd likely have to fight off three very serious blokes with beards who'd be trying to convince everyone else that they're the candidates of substance, whereas she's about self promotion etc. It's not quite as simple as she seems to think.

HomityBabbityPie · 22/04/2017 14:32

I'd assumed she was standing as an independent.

Xenophile · 22/04/2017 15:00

Because it's a snap election, the formal selection process isn't possible, candidates are being imposed on constituencies. I have no better knowledge of who she will stand for than you, but no, she won't have to do the process as described. Had May stuck to her word and not called an election until the correct time, then she would have had to.

Gosh! I do hope she notices me and pats me on the head. Allegedly.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 22/04/2017 19:33

Gosh! I do hope she notices me and pats me on the head

I'm oddly pleased that googling is 3 network down today? ( answer - yes ) brings up this.

And I am not being sarcastic

Jack Monroe
Holowiwi · 22/04/2017 20:21

@Smeaton when humans first came to be they would have lived in groups in order to survive so whilst we now don't depend on the guy at number 12, back in the day you would have depended on every member of your group.

Xenophile · 22/04/2017 21:32

Ah Lass, that would explain my lack of head patting.

I'll try harder next time Grin

GinSwigmore · 23/04/2017 16:23

@motherteresascat
Why did you resurrect a nine page thread from January rather than have the courage of your convictions by starting a new one if you thought her standing for election was unreasonable?

GinSwigmore · 23/04/2017 16:23

@motherteresascat
Why did you resurrect a nine page thread from January rather than have the courage of your convictions by starting a new one if you thought her standing for election was unreasonable?

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 23/04/2017 17:10

I don't think that was the reason for resurrecting it although it got mentioned- not clear why it was brought to life.

I do think some of the comments were unnecessarily harsh.

GinSwigmore · 23/04/2017 17:26

So a thread got resurrected to give someone they don't know a kicking because they don't like what she tweets?
Who does that? "Oh I know, that person's annoying, I'll see if mumsnet already has a thread on them that I can add bitchy comments to".

VoidoidDash · 14/05/2017 15:45

Jm strikes me as young. Not in a bad way or good way just in that awkward uncomfortable way we all are at some point. She seems to care alot & come accross as an over eager puppy when it comes to social justice. I willingly admit that would have been me too. Young people live their lives on sm & that's normal to them in a way it isn't to me. Probably more so for semi-celeb figures. So I don't particularly care either way & I don't know enough about some of the other irritating or offensive shit she may have done to be annoyed by her. I like the reciepes & food bank campaigning.

She strikes me as vulnerable. And there can be strength in acknowledging vulnerability but I guess I don't see that in her yet. Maybe that's why she seems so young to me.

But reading what she says here about her son is what stands out. The list of reading books etc as if that's evidence of his stability & her identity dysphoria not effecting him. This is what doesn't make sense. I do all of those things with my kids. Yet they are not stable. In part because they inherited my disabilities plus extra ones of their own and in part because I allow them to be unstable, because vulnerable children often are. And children are vulnerable. Some are much cannier than others and I wouldn't doubt that carefully, appropriately explained a child could cope with a parents lived experience of dysphoria. But equally there are those who would be greatly confused by it. And carefully, approproriately explaining it to him is not what she communicated here. She didn't need to justify herself at all, she didn't need to mention her son, but if she wanted to communicat how to help a kid understand this would have actually been really useful. The list of parenting merits seemed more virtue signalling more than anything. She seems very loving and nurturing and knowing how she helped him navigate this while she was struggling with that herself would have been informative. Being stable doesn't mean it didn't effect him. Many children appear stable but are effected negatively and it only comes out as adults. And being effected negatively doesn't mean she's not a great parent or that she doesn't love him. It's just that children are effected by what their parents go through. Ime all this kids are resilant & stable etc is just kids demonstrating back to their parents what they see their parents need from them. Because kids are confused about life an awfull lot without adding in parental instabilities (not knocking her, plenty of us have different struggles, through zero fault of our own) and the he's so super stable stuff just doesn't add up to me.

So just 2 pense worth & all. On an oldish thread.

DJBaggySmalls · 14/05/2017 17:13
  1. Dominance is not related to aggression, in fact just the opposite. Aggression is often the sign of a human under stress, one who isn't coping well. Unless its a matter of survival, its usually not appropriate behaviour.
  2. Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding are reliant on other people. We are highly sociable, co-operative animals. Aggression is counter productive on our species.
Terfing · 15/05/2017 13:17

I love Jack, but her ever-changing transgender views confuse me! Confused

waterlego6064 · 15/05/2017 14:55

My feelings about people announcing their gender identity is a a bit like that Eddie Izzard sketch in which he talks about most people's reactions to him saying he's a transvestite (his word): "Oh ok, I'm cooking eggs..." [mimes cooking eggs]

Does anyone know the sketch I mean? Might not make sense unless you've seen it Grin

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