Cat calling

[Cocklodger]

I'm sure this one has been done to death, I don't frequent the board often tbh.
now I hate catcalling. I'm sure every woman has or will experience it. Its not pleasant. It makes me angry and sometimes it scares me,
But today I've seen a post on FB (with someone of a similar view point to me) being ripped into, because
''Its just a compliment''
she's a ''fun sucker''
''I bet she would've REALLY just asked for his number''... Those comments came from women.
Now I, being me decided to defend this person and found the same comments hurled at me. I've now just left it because I've gotten to the point where I can no longer even try to come up with a coherent argument. I have also received personal insults(about my appearance and the fact I'm obviously a bit fat since I was recently pregnant baby under 2wks old)
i just didn't realize how acceptable it was, I genuinely thought it was wildly noted as pretty fucking annoying (If I'm being generous)
I don't even know what to say.
Wtf is wrong with people?
Can someone please reassure me that I'm not wrong? I know I sound bloody pathetic but for some reason finding out how acceptable it is has actually quite scared and shaken me a lot....

I don't get why my (much) earlier idea to issue advice to women to avoid having personal relations with men is also ridiculous

Because men don't come with a warning grow. It would be great if they did. It would be more than useful if they said 'three years down the line love when you're pregnant/at a low ebb/grieving for a parent, my behaviour will escalate and I'll lump you one'.

Funnily enough, many women who eventually manage to leave this violence do avoid relationships.

I missed this !!! They don't have a right but they do.

I don't think they have a right, but you think they have no right to shout at people, but they have loud voices - why shouldn't they have the right to use those voices to direct abuse at people ?

You ARE the problem.

Pear has conveniently avoided my point, similar to Amy's, that even if friendships and relationships with men are avoided, family and colleagues/classmates cannot be.

But since his,argument the last time he spoke on this topic was that men should be able to approach women on the street, because he wanted to be able to, dammit, I doubt much has changed.

I thought the loud voices thing was yourself grow being sardonic. It appears not.
Grow- it would really beneficial for all of us I think, if you put the spade down and read stuff rather than type stuff.

Grow

By trying to detail what I thought you meant I was trying to assist you, however since then not even I can help with your level of questionable valid opinion, you've dug your own grave here!

Dervel

Rights are afforded according to a legal and judicial system. In some jurisdictions men have a right to rape their wife. Your high faluting moralistic tripe about human potential is nonsense. A "right" does not exist without the rule of law behind it. So when we talk about what is and is not a right, we should remember that rights already granted to women in our society, were granted by men, this is simple fact. To say that oh no, our society is shite and it's men's fault, what society is better ? Has there ever been one ? All I see here is typical self loathing liberal miasma. Women already have protection under law in this country from street harassment. Who will typically be required to enforce this law ? Who will be chained to violent criminals in the dock ? The idea that men are blind to male violence and simply aren't interested in fixing it is what I've been arguing against this entire thread. What you demand is that all men even the vast majority who abhor violence and intimidation take their share of the blame for being men. All those women you thought peers ? Nope by your own backwards logic they are actually all better than you are because you got a massive head start and they still achieved the same as you. Thats your message to men and you wonder why there is a backlash against ideas like white male privilege.

Perhaps you think that the right not to be beaten up, or the right to a fair trial fell from the sky?

Strictly - you completely missed the point and as is typical, attempted once again to attribute an opinion to me I have denied at least 5 times in this thread.

I'm glad grow has revealed his true colours.

Datun

Read it again. Its just meant to be a rhetorical question about what a right actually is....I think you actually knew that tho.

Wow grow.

Which elements of the UK allows wife rape?

Fucks sake. Read the post. Are you really that thick that you interpret my post as "men have a right to rape their wife" ?

Grow:
What you demand is that all men even the vast majority who abhor violence and intimidation take their share of the blame for being men.

That isn't what is meant by this notion at all, and I doubt what Dervel posted.

Essentially you take responsibility, in some form, for the reduction of harm caused by our fellow males, instead of ignoring it/keeping quite as this is viewed as agreement - eg the situation I had a work over 'nice tits' comment at a female worker and ending up arguing with the boy's dad.
It isn't taking blame for who we are (which D. has talked about a lot on this thread) it's recognising the damage done and doing our best to reduce/avoid it. You do again seem bitter at this notion and still wish to see it as a 'not my problem as I didn't cause it' personal issue.

So after repeated appeals to you (and I'm often pretty patient over this stuff with my fellow man in a different context) I don't see any benefit in engaging with you.

hahahahaha

This is too cute, do you really have this little self esteem?

Yonic

Clearly im talking about "romantic" relationships being avoided as a simple risk reduction strategy.

grow

All I see is someone using intellectual arguments to try and desperately disassociate himself from the class of men. During the very act of which, has shown little empathy for, or affinity with women and their experience. Attempting to undermine their experience by invoking the opinion of your wife and suggesting that the answer lies with women simply refusing to have any relationships with men.

I can't help it that you were born a man and that you find it distasteful and 'conflicting' to be part of that group. I suggest you growapear.

I didn't say it was distasteful to be man, it distasteful to be judged just for being one.

Well you can rest assured, that if you are being judged, it's certainly not for being a man.

So the hypothetical women who won't sit next to me on the hypothetical bus, what is she basing her decision on ?

Your hypothetical views of male violence which she will hypothetically be definitely wondering about.

Bored now.

Thanks Fresh.

Wow, this whole thread is just bizarre. What began as interesting, insightful and articulate conversation just totally lost the plot. Growapear your lack of empathy and if I'm honest reading comprehension is astounding. The posters who are patiently and articulately STILL talking to you deserve a standing ovation, I feel like screaming in frustration on their behalf. This thread reads like the scene in Blackadder when he attempts to teach Baldrick to count. "Two beans add two beans = " "Some beans?" Replies Baldrick and later on "a small bean casserole?"

You are just as spectacularly as Baldrick missing the point pear. I'm not sure if you are being deliberately facetious and obtuse or if you genuinely are not that well schooled in class analysis. Amy on the other hand, you are amazingly mature and eloquent for a 16 year old, you're writing is so clear and concise particularly compared to pears self important, rambling, incoherent posts.

Contemplates SmallBeanCasserole as next username...

Thank you SpartyMcsparticus for the kind compliment! What a great username too

SmallBeanCasserole would be a brilliant username as well. Lots of talk of food now. I have tea, very welcome, but no cake. I don't think there's even any cake in the house