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Why do Harry and Meghan provoke such strong reactions in Britain?

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ForAmple · 17/09/2026 20:30

Hello!
I’m genuinely posting this because I’m curious about people’s perspectives rather than wanting to argue. Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but if there’s an unnecessary pile-on I probably won’t respond. This is also just my personal experience as someone who didn’t grow up in the UK, rather than me claiming any particular expertise on British culture.

Anyway, I’ve always found the level of hatred towards Harry and Meghan really fascinating. I completely understand not liking them. I understand people thinking they’re hypocritical, disliking the Oprah interview, the Netflix series, Harry’s book etc. If someone thinks “I just don’t like them”, fair enough. What I find interesting is the sheer intensity of it and how many people seem to genuinely care about what they’re doing years later.

For context, I grew up in the US, SF to be specific, so very liberal maybe that's why. I have friends from school still in the states who have seen H and M lots with their children just doing everyday activities and no one cares, there's people I know who have met them and have spoken to them many times so to see the tabloids is quite interesting to see the juxtaposition. My dad is British and my mum is American and mixed race. I went to private school in the States and grew up extremely privileged, although obviously the American class system is quite different to the British one. I came to England for university and ended up staying, partly because I have family here.

Even with that background, I find the British class system fascinating. There seem to be all these very subtle distinctions around accent, school, family, manners, where you live, how you dress, whether you're "posh", "common", "trying too hard" etc. A lot of it seems completely unspoken, yet people who have grown up here immediately understand what is meant.

That makes me wonder about Meghan. She wasn’t just an outsider marrying into the Royal Family. She was American, biracial, divorced, an actress and didn’t come from the British aristocratic/upper-class world albeit privately educated, she is not 'common' at all, I think Catherine Middleton was 'common' in comparison at least according to the tabloids. I genuinely wonder how much of what people interpreted as her being rude, fake, attention-seeking or not understanding British culture was actually her not knowing some of these very British social rules.

And I do think there is sometimes an anti-American element that gets brushed over. Obviously not every British person dislikes Americans, but there is definitely a stereotype of Americans being loud, gauche, overly familiar, obsessed with money/status etc. I’ve experienced enough of it myself to know it exists. I sometimes wonder whether Meghan being American made her an easier target because she didn’t instinctively understand the British way of doing things.

Then there’s the race issue. I’m mixed race myself, but interestingly you wouldn’t necessarily know that just by looking at me. I had blonde hair growing up and have green eyes, and people are always surprised when they meet my parents and then see my siblings and me. So I’m very aware that you can’t necessarily look at someone and know their background.

That’s why some of the discussion around Meghan and her children has always struck me as odd. Her children are very light-skinned and could easily be perceived as white by someone who doesn’t know their family background, but obviously that doesn’t change their ancestry. And whatever anyone thinks about Harry and Meghan, I find the way some people talk about their children completely beyond the pale. They are children. I don't think criticism of their parents should extend to dehumanising or racialised comments about them.
I’m not saying that every criticism of Meghan is racist. I actually think that argument can become too simplistic. People can dislike her for plenty of reasons that have nothing to do with race. But I also find it strange when people insist race could not possibly have played any role at all, particularly given some of the very explicit racialised commentary that existed around her.

The other thing I find fascinating is Harry himself. I wonder whether some of the anger towards Meghan is actually partly about what Harry represents. He was essentially presented for years as the cheeky, handsome younger prince and there was this whole fairy-tale idea that an ordinary British woman could marry him. William marrying Kate probably reinforced that to some extent.
Then Harry marries an American woman, leaves the UK and moves to California. And there seems to be a genuine feeling amongst some people that he has personally betrayed the British public. But I struggle to understand that level of emotional investment. He is a person who made decisions about his own marriage and his own life. Why does someone you have never met moving to another country make you so angry?

And this is probably the bit I find most fascinating as an outsider. People will say they don't care about Harry and Meghan, that they're irrelevant, that nobody is interested in them anymore and then seemingly know every single thing they’ve done for the last six years.

So I’m genuinely curious what I’m missing. Is it simply that people think they’re hypocrites and have behaved badly? Is it the way they’ve spoken about the Royal Family? Is it class? Is it anti-American sentiment? Is race a factor? Is it resentment that Harry left? Is it just that they’re particularly irritating to people?
Because I can understand “I dislike Harry and Meghan”. What I find much harder to understand is “I absolutely cannot stand Harry and Meghan” followed by a detailed analysis of everything they’ve done since 2020.
Maybe this is just a cultural difference and I’m completely missing something obvious because I didn’t grow up here.

I do however think that especially wit the fall of the empire, the RF could have used Meghan as an asset but I cannot 100% comment on how that would have worked out I do not know her personally. I only have anecdote from friends in the states who have met them and who lived near them, they were always out and about in the states, a few friends have seen their children many times, those children do not look black at all, so whoever was worried about their race and phenotype can sleep peacefully. Guessing most of the family has met them by now. My own children do not look mixed race at all yet ancestry wise and half their family is African American, traceable to a specific plantation before my mother's family moved to SF. I am mixed race(white father and black mother) but grew up with everyone assuming I am white so many that is where my perspective comes from.

I find the whole thing fascinating? Especially after the whatsapp situation. And for those of you who grew up in the UK, particularly if you have absolutely no connection to the aristocracy or Royal Family, what is it about them that generates such a strong reaction?

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Bloodysquirellls · 18/09/2026 10:04

I think it’s wrapped up most in Britains relationship with the royal family.

That’s the biggest thing here and it’s a very fine line.

Personally I feel the royal family should be seen and not heard. That’s a bit old fashioned. As in they are like pesky children in the older days. But I think it makes sense. There main value is soft diplomacy. Talk too much, or out of turn and that allure washes away rather quickly and your speech loses all value. The queen was excellent at understanding this balance. She had a long tenure and there were times she famously got that wrong.

So I think it’s quite simply because they talk too much.

And when those words are implying people don’t like you because of your race it’s going to be a double blow. No one likes to be called racist and people don’t forget that.

Piglet89 · 18/09/2026 10:06

I am a lawyer and very used to reading Big Long Documents but honestly: TLDR.

Pasithean · 18/09/2026 10:13

I thinks she thought she was auditioning for a part in Wolf Hall or the Tudors.

LaMarschallin · 18/09/2026 10:18

At least it was sensible of the OP to include a disclaimer:
but if there’s an unnecessary pile-on I probably won’t respond.
Which I think means: job done, don't have to generate any replies as an "unnecessary pile-on" is in the eye of the beholder.
Could just mean that not everyone agrees.

ladyofroo · 18/09/2026 10:20

WingnutSOS · 17/09/2026 20:56

All that privilege afforded to them and they moan about the terrible life they had.

Tone deaf.

Its this isnt it?

I couldn't give a toss about either of them, and I dont hate them or anything but every time I see them whining on (which seems to be a lot) I just think, read the room you privileged idiots.

StormGazing · 18/09/2026 10:21

Crumble1719 · 18/09/2026 10:04

Nothing to do with her background. We pay for the Royal Family to enjoy privileges that we couldn’t imagine in our wildest dreams. The British public therefore expect something back in return: something to feel proud of on the international stage and that we are all players in our shared history and culture. They also need to show sufficient gratitude and humility for the benefits bestowed on them and for the people paying for these privileges because the monarchy exists only with consent of the people.

Alongside this, whenever hazmat or Megain gets a microphone or in front of a camera it’s all about them! I also cringe and think god what are these idiots going to say this time …. They’re embarrassing!

bingobangs · 18/09/2026 10:32

Crumble1719 · 18/09/2026 10:04

Nothing to do with her background. We pay for the Royal Family to enjoy privileges that we couldn’t imagine in our wildest dreams. The British public therefore expect something back in return: something to feel proud of on the international stage and that we are all players in our shared history and culture. They also need to show sufficient gratitude and humility for the benefits bestowed on them and for the people paying for these privileges because the monarchy exists only with consent of the people.

I don’t remember ever feeling proud of the RF, back in the day it was all Randy Andy, sucking toes & tampon gate! What does sufficient gratitude & humility look like because I don’t think i’ve seen this from any of them?

Crumble1719 · 18/09/2026 10:51

bingobangs · 18/09/2026 10:32

I don’t remember ever feeling proud of the RF, back in the day it was all Randy Andy, sucking toes & tampon gate! What does sufficient gratitude & humility look like because I don’t think i’ve seen this from any of them?

Yes, and those individuals weren’t popular!

Allegedly being rude and bullying to staff and moaning about the privileges given to you isn’t going to appeal to the British public.

AngelCakesHairstyle · 18/09/2026 10:53

OnePlumPlayer · 18/09/2026 05:44

I don't find them fake at all. I am a Californian so maybe it's a cultural thing. They seem much more real than anyone else in the RF to me. They don't have self importance with no humility either. Not at all sure where that comes from. The original post is on to something. California and Britain are very different cultures. Meghan is suffering because she doesn't understand the British culture well. However the lack of an attempt to understand Megan's cultural differences by the RF, especially William and Kate, seem very fake and cruel to me. I mean, I would never treat my brother-in-law or sister-in-law that way and they actually were raised in other countries, not the US. Perhaps Harry said some inflammatory things in interviews and books but he clearly was mistreated and has had a lot of emotional pain. One would think his brother would care and go to therapy with him. He champions mental health causes but dismisses his own brother's mental pain and adds to it.

I don't care about them that much but they are interesting. I personally find Harry and Meghan much more interesting, resilient and good hearted than anyone else in the RF. Really people need to acknowledge that the media is making a huge profit off of the constant negative press coverage and most is likely made up or exaggerated. From the more reliable news source, they seem like good people trying to make their way in the world and raise their kids well.

I'm find your perspective fascinating, and I think I sort of understand where you coming from in terms of you - personally - not feeling they are fake (I'm the PP who said about 1. fake 2. self-importance without humility).

It's got me thinking about just this one particular stand-alone element.

I'm guessing that from a Californian POV the emotion they both display and talk about feels a lot more 'real' to you compared to the formality of the Royals and Brits in general.

I think as Brits (obvs we aren't one hive mind) we would respect their vulnerability (IF it wasn't selfishly throwing other - suffering and human - people under the bus, along with it) BUT what we struggle in particular with is the saccharine sweetness / performative element that just can not be genuine to be in that state 100% of the time. Who feels like that ALL the time?? We are all human and we are all mix of different emotions at any one time: boredom, disgust, excitement, frustration, happy, sad, and - yes - loving kindness and sweetness...but not to every man and his dog.

I'm tailing off, and feel I'm not explaining this very well... but I'm enjoying thinking about it all.

ShanghaiDiva · 18/09/2026 11:07

I think they generate a huge amount of discussion because they are the gift that keeps on giving. They create so much drama due to their frankly baffling decisions.
one month it’s not safe to come to the uk for a visit, the next month they are moving back.
they want a private life, but post on social media
they withdraw kids from school after two days and didn’t seem to have researched the route to and from school or considered the effect this would have on the children: different country, different school and then another school. We moved overseas several times with our children and know how challenging the upheaval can be.
if security is such an issue they surely you would move to Kensington Palace or somewhere on the Windsor estate where safety can be virtually guaranteed.

JuliaBraverman · 18/09/2026 11:07

Mirrorlolo · 17/09/2026 22:33

Meghan was welcomed as a gorgeous breath of fresh air. The red flags started over her not inviting any family members other than her mother. For me I started to have concerns when they began lecturing about climate change while constantly and unnecessarily using private planes. Since then have behaved desperately badly and lie constantly while demonstrating mind boggling hypocrisy, I have no respect for them and it's got nothing to do with race or nationality and everything to do with their behaviour.

Exactly

smilesy · 18/09/2026 11:11

AngelCakesHairstyle · 18/09/2026 10:53

I'm find your perspective fascinating, and I think I sort of understand where you coming from in terms of you - personally - not feeling they are fake (I'm the PP who said about 1. fake 2. self-importance without humility).

It's got me thinking about just this one particular stand-alone element.

I'm guessing that from a Californian POV the emotion they both display and talk about feels a lot more 'real' to you compared to the formality of the Royals and Brits in general.

I think as Brits (obvs we aren't one hive mind) we would respect their vulnerability (IF it wasn't selfishly throwing other - suffering and human - people under the bus, along with it) BUT what we struggle in particular with is the saccharine sweetness / performative element that just can not be genuine to be in that state 100% of the time. Who feels like that ALL the time?? We are all human and we are all mix of different emotions at any one time: boredom, disgust, excitement, frustration, happy, sad, and - yes - loving kindness and sweetness...but not to every man and his dog.

I'm tailing off, and feel I'm not explaining this very well... but I'm enjoying thinking about it all.

I get what you are saying and I think for me it’s that all that sweetness and light comes across as a bit Disney iyswim and it definitely grates from a more pragmatic Brit point of view.

I would also say though that in the post from @OnePlumPlayer that you are replying to, there is some erroneous information and misunderstanding. WRT Harry’s mental health, it is well documented that William has encouraged Harry to seek help and Harry has publicly acknowledged that his brother did so. And with regard to “raising their kids well”, the latest debacle over pulling them out of their US schools and then changing their UK schools after two days, does not really support this, but suggests more that they are using their children’s situation to try and obtain security in the UK. There are many other examples that have been done to death on here but that may well have not made their way to the US. And many of these examples are from what has been directly said by the Sussexes, not what has been reported in the media

SunnydayUmbrella · 18/09/2026 11:22

AlwaysRightISwear · 17/09/2026 20:51

Basically because they made us pay millions for a lavish wedding and then buggered off. Lots of additional issues but that's the kernel.

Mind you Harry said they already planned to move aboard since 2018, less than a year since the wedding. And when they're still media and public darling.

Seagulldancing · 18/09/2026 11:24

Because the Royal Family aren't celebrities who have come to the public eye through their own efforts. They are very wealthy but entirely dependent on the State for their position and need to walk a fine line in being a mascot for the nation. Throw in an American who thinks shes in the Princess Diaries, with the wealth of a Kardashian, and it all goes wrong.

SunnydayUmbrella · 18/09/2026 12:11

OnePlumPlayer · 18/09/2026 05:44

I don't find them fake at all. I am a Californian so maybe it's a cultural thing. They seem much more real than anyone else in the RF to me. They don't have self importance with no humility either. Not at all sure where that comes from. The original post is on to something. California and Britain are very different cultures. Meghan is suffering because she doesn't understand the British culture well. However the lack of an attempt to understand Megan's cultural differences by the RF, especially William and Kate, seem very fake and cruel to me. I mean, I would never treat my brother-in-law or sister-in-law that way and they actually were raised in other countries, not the US. Perhaps Harry said some inflammatory things in interviews and books but he clearly was mistreated and has had a lot of emotional pain. One would think his brother would care and go to therapy with him. He champions mental health causes but dismisses his own brother's mental pain and adds to it.

I don't care about them that much but they are interesting. I personally find Harry and Meghan much more interesting, resilient and good hearted than anyone else in the RF. Really people need to acknowledge that the media is making a huge profit off of the constant negative press coverage and most is likely made up or exaggerated. From the more reliable news source, they seem like good people trying to make their way in the world and raise their kids well.

They don't have self importance with no humility either.

"We get on the plane. And it's not the pilot, but whoever is sort of overseeing the crew, and he came and he knelt next to my seat and he took his hat off. I just remember looking at him, and he goes, 'We appreciate everything you did for our country.' And it was the first time I felt like someone saw the sacrifice."

"A cast member from South Africa pulled her aside. He looked at me, and he’s just like light. He said, ‘I just need you to know, when you married into this family, we rejoiced in the streets the same we did when Mandela was freed from prison.’"

"Especially when, look, I, the Commonwealth is a huge part of the monarchy, and I lived in Canada, which is a Commonwealth country, for seven years. But it wasn’t until Harry and I were together that we started to travel through the Commonwealth, I would say 60 per cent, 70 per cent of which is people of colour, right? And growing up as a woman of colour, as a little girl of colour, I know how important representation is. I know how you want to see someone who looks like you in certain positions. Even Archie. Like, we read these books, and now he’s been, there’s one line in one that goes, ‘If you can see it, you can be it’. And he goes, ‘You can be it!’ And I think about that so often, especially in the context of these young girls, but even grown women and men who, when I would meet them in our time in the Commonwealth, how much it meant to them to be able to see someone who looks like them in this position. And I could never understand how it wouldn’t be seen as an added benefit."

pilates · 18/09/2026 12:22

SunnydayUmbrella · 18/09/2026 12:11

They don't have self importance with no humility either.

"We get on the plane. And it's not the pilot, but whoever is sort of overseeing the crew, and he came and he knelt next to my seat and he took his hat off. I just remember looking at him, and he goes, 'We appreciate everything you did for our country.' And it was the first time I felt like someone saw the sacrifice."

"A cast member from South Africa pulled her aside. He looked at me, and he’s just like light. He said, ‘I just need you to know, when you married into this family, we rejoiced in the streets the same we did when Mandela was freed from prison.’"

"Especially when, look, I, the Commonwealth is a huge part of the monarchy, and I lived in Canada, which is a Commonwealth country, for seven years. But it wasn’t until Harry and I were together that we started to travel through the Commonwealth, I would say 60 per cent, 70 per cent of which is people of colour, right? And growing up as a woman of colour, as a little girl of colour, I know how important representation is. I know how you want to see someone who looks like you in certain positions. Even Archie. Like, we read these books, and now he’s been, there’s one line in one that goes, ‘If you can see it, you can be it’. And he goes, ‘You can be it!’ And I think about that so often, especially in the context of these young girls, but even grown women and men who, when I would meet them in our time in the Commonwealth, how much it meant to them to be able to see someone who looks like them in this position. And I could never understand how it wouldn’t be seen as an added benefit."

I would love to hear your take on that @OnePlumPlayer

Joyunlimited · 18/09/2026 12:31

chickenwings2 · 17/09/2026 20:48

it’s because her mum is black that they don’t accept her

Nonsense. I remember, well after I’d decided I didn’t much like her, being surprised to discover that her mother is black. I didn’t realise she was mixed race, but it’s really not that unusual. And no, I have never read the Daily Mail etc.

Princessfluffy · 18/09/2026 12:46

This pair live to exploit other people.
Their own families
Their own kids
Charities
The British public
Etc etc
They are also hugely entitled and ungrateful for their immense privilege.
Not very surprising they are unpopular.

kirinm · 18/09/2026 12:56

LindorDoubleChoc · 17/09/2026 20:41

I guarantee you 100% that there are very few people who dislike them intensely. For many it's a mild dislike and they barely give a moment's thought to them in the day to day. The reasons for this mild dislike have been documented forever and really do not need listing yet again.

The lunatics on the royal threads who bang on about literally everything she does or posts on instagram definitely dislike her more than mildly.

TangledUpDown · 18/09/2026 13:03

@SunnydayUmbrella how can they be so cringe and unaware.

"if you can see it you can be it" except Duchess, Prince, HRH...you can't be those things no matter how much you see them 😂😂 keep living those values Meghan.

LaMarschallin · 18/09/2026 13:11

"if you can see it you can be it" except Duchess, Prince, HRH...you can't be those things no matter how much you see them 😂😂 keep living those values Meghan.

Exactly.
It's crap straight off reality TV: "Ooh, you've got to dream your dream and hold on to your dream and your dream will come true..."
Except it won't if I'm on some talent show, dreaming of being a great singer and I can't carry a tune in a bucket.

SunnydayUmbrella · 18/09/2026 13:22

TangledUpDown · 18/09/2026 13:03

@SunnydayUmbrella how can they be so cringe and unaware.

"if you can see it you can be it" except Duchess, Prince, HRH...you can't be those things no matter how much you see them 😂😂 keep living those values Meghan.

"in certain positions" she's talking as if she becomes a president after years of political career. Or getting a nobel prize for curing cancer. She. Just. Marrying. A. White. Man. After only dating him for less than 2 years.

pilates · 18/09/2026 13:43

A quote from Meghan, "Little girls dream of being princesses. I, for one, was all about She-Ra, Princess of Power... a sword-wielding royal rebel known for her strength. We're definitely not talking about Cinderella here."

GripGetter · 18/09/2026 13:58

shockthemonkey · 18/09/2026 07:30

FYI, you can ask chat GPT to limit its essays to, for example, 4000 characters. As a courtesy to your readers. Just a suggestion !

And like clockwork, the next post after yours@shockthemonkeyhas to quote the whole damn OP!

GripGetter · 18/09/2026 14:05

TangledUpDown · 18/09/2026 13:03

@SunnydayUmbrella how can they be so cringe and unaware.

"if you can see it you can be it" except Duchess, Prince, HRH...you can't be those things no matter how much you see them 😂😂 keep living those values Meghan.

Don't forget to "anchor into your own knowing".

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