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Why do Harry and Meghan provoke such strong reactions in Britain?

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ForAmple · 17/09/2026 20:30

Hello!
I’m genuinely posting this because I’m curious about people’s perspectives rather than wanting to argue. Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but if there’s an unnecessary pile-on I probably won’t respond. This is also just my personal experience as someone who didn’t grow up in the UK, rather than me claiming any particular expertise on British culture.

Anyway, I’ve always found the level of hatred towards Harry and Meghan really fascinating. I completely understand not liking them. I understand people thinking they’re hypocritical, disliking the Oprah interview, the Netflix series, Harry’s book etc. If someone thinks “I just don’t like them”, fair enough. What I find interesting is the sheer intensity of it and how many people seem to genuinely care about what they’re doing years later.

For context, I grew up in the US, SF to be specific, so very liberal maybe that's why. I have friends from school still in the states who have seen H and M lots with their children just doing everyday activities and no one cares, there's people I know who have met them and have spoken to them many times so to see the tabloids is quite interesting to see the juxtaposition. My dad is British and my mum is American and mixed race. I went to private school in the States and grew up extremely privileged, although obviously the American class system is quite different to the British one. I came to England for university and ended up staying, partly because I have family here.

Even with that background, I find the British class system fascinating. There seem to be all these very subtle distinctions around accent, school, family, manners, where you live, how you dress, whether you're "posh", "common", "trying too hard" etc. A lot of it seems completely unspoken, yet people who have grown up here immediately understand what is meant.

That makes me wonder about Meghan. She wasn’t just an outsider marrying into the Royal Family. She was American, biracial, divorced, an actress and didn’t come from the British aristocratic/upper-class world albeit privately educated, she is not 'common' at all, I think Catherine Middleton was 'common' in comparison at least according to the tabloids. I genuinely wonder how much of what people interpreted as her being rude, fake, attention-seeking or not understanding British culture was actually her not knowing some of these very British social rules.

And I do think there is sometimes an anti-American element that gets brushed over. Obviously not every British person dislikes Americans, but there is definitely a stereotype of Americans being loud, gauche, overly familiar, obsessed with money/status etc. I’ve experienced enough of it myself to know it exists. I sometimes wonder whether Meghan being American made her an easier target because she didn’t instinctively understand the British way of doing things.

Then there’s the race issue. I’m mixed race myself, but interestingly you wouldn’t necessarily know that just by looking at me. I had blonde hair growing up and have green eyes, and people are always surprised when they meet my parents and then see my siblings and me. So I’m very aware that you can’t necessarily look at someone and know their background.

That’s why some of the discussion around Meghan and her children has always struck me as odd. Her children are very light-skinned and could easily be perceived as white by someone who doesn’t know their family background, but obviously that doesn’t change their ancestry. And whatever anyone thinks about Harry and Meghan, I find the way some people talk about their children completely beyond the pale. They are children. I don't think criticism of their parents should extend to dehumanising or racialised comments about them.
I’m not saying that every criticism of Meghan is racist. I actually think that argument can become too simplistic. People can dislike her for plenty of reasons that have nothing to do with race. But I also find it strange when people insist race could not possibly have played any role at all, particularly given some of the very explicit racialised commentary that existed around her.

The other thing I find fascinating is Harry himself. I wonder whether some of the anger towards Meghan is actually partly about what Harry represents. He was essentially presented for years as the cheeky, handsome younger prince and there was this whole fairy-tale idea that an ordinary British woman could marry him. William marrying Kate probably reinforced that to some extent.
Then Harry marries an American woman, leaves the UK and moves to California. And there seems to be a genuine feeling amongst some people that he has personally betrayed the British public. But I struggle to understand that level of emotional investment. He is a person who made decisions about his own marriage and his own life. Why does someone you have never met moving to another country make you so angry?

And this is probably the bit I find most fascinating as an outsider. People will say they don't care about Harry and Meghan, that they're irrelevant, that nobody is interested in them anymore and then seemingly know every single thing they’ve done for the last six years.

So I’m genuinely curious what I’m missing. Is it simply that people think they’re hypocrites and have behaved badly? Is it the way they’ve spoken about the Royal Family? Is it class? Is it anti-American sentiment? Is race a factor? Is it resentment that Harry left? Is it just that they’re particularly irritating to people?
Because I can understand “I dislike Harry and Meghan”. What I find much harder to understand is “I absolutely cannot stand Harry and Meghan” followed by a detailed analysis of everything they’ve done since 2020.
Maybe this is just a cultural difference and I’m completely missing something obvious because I didn’t grow up here.

I do however think that especially wit the fall of the empire, the RF could have used Meghan as an asset but I cannot 100% comment on how that would have worked out I do not know her personally. I only have anecdote from friends in the states who have met them and who lived near them, they were always out and about in the states, a few friends have seen their children many times, those children do not look black at all, so whoever was worried about their race and phenotype can sleep peacefully. Guessing most of the family has met them by now. My own children do not look mixed race at all yet ancestry wise and half their family is African American, traceable to a specific plantation before my mother's family moved to SF. I am mixed race(white father and black mother) but grew up with everyone assuming I am white so many that is where my perspective comes from.

I find the whole thing fascinating? Especially after the whatsapp situation. And for those of you who grew up in the UK, particularly if you have absolutely no connection to the aristocracy or Royal Family, what is it about them that generates such a strong reaction?

OP posts:
Fondmemories · 18/09/2026 07:22

Meadowfinch · 18/09/2026 06:35

Because a hugely priviledged man has had all the benefits of a gilded upbringing, money, opportunities, freedoms that most of us can only dream of.

Then he turned his back on all of it, accused his family and the UK of ill-treating him, aired his extremely personal family resentments on an American talk show and publshed a spiteful and grubby book, just to cash in some more on his gilded upbringing.

And now the Americans are bored of him, he's come back to the UK, and expects us all to pay for unnecessary security, and welcome him home like a prodigal son.

His behaviour has, from start to finish, been self-pitying, distasteful, vulgar and greedy.

If he had just moved his family quietly into a Cotswold farmhouse, kept his mouth shut and sent his dcs to a discreet private school, all of this nonsense would have been avoided.

Edited

Absolutely this.

HoppityBun · 18/09/2026 07:23

Tabbytiger122 · 18/09/2026 07:18

Cats don't expect the taxpayers to pay for their security... cats are independent... cats are intelligent. Please don't compare cats to ham.

My observation is about my feelings. I am indifferent to both.

Cat lovers, otoh, have difficulties with comprehension.

shockthemonkey · 18/09/2026 07:30

FYI, you can ask chat GPT to limit its essays to, for example, 4000 characters. As a courtesy to your readers. Just a suggestion !

KittyTinker · 18/09/2026 07:30

ForAmple · 17/09/2026 20:30

Hello!
I’m genuinely posting this because I’m curious about people’s perspectives rather than wanting to argue. Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but if there’s an unnecessary pile-on I probably won’t respond. This is also just my personal experience as someone who didn’t grow up in the UK, rather than me claiming any particular expertise on British culture.

Anyway, I’ve always found the level of hatred towards Harry and Meghan really fascinating. I completely understand not liking them. I understand people thinking they’re hypocritical, disliking the Oprah interview, the Netflix series, Harry’s book etc. If someone thinks “I just don’t like them”, fair enough. What I find interesting is the sheer intensity of it and how many people seem to genuinely care about what they’re doing years later.

For context, I grew up in the US, SF to be specific, so very liberal maybe that's why. I have friends from school still in the states who have seen H and M lots with their children just doing everyday activities and no one cares, there's people I know who have met them and have spoken to them many times so to see the tabloids is quite interesting to see the juxtaposition. My dad is British and my mum is American and mixed race. I went to private school in the States and grew up extremely privileged, although obviously the American class system is quite different to the British one. I came to England for university and ended up staying, partly because I have family here.

Even with that background, I find the British class system fascinating. There seem to be all these very subtle distinctions around accent, school, family, manners, where you live, how you dress, whether you're "posh", "common", "trying too hard" etc. A lot of it seems completely unspoken, yet people who have grown up here immediately understand what is meant.

That makes me wonder about Meghan. She wasn’t just an outsider marrying into the Royal Family. She was American, biracial, divorced, an actress and didn’t come from the British aristocratic/upper-class world albeit privately educated, she is not 'common' at all, I think Catherine Middleton was 'common' in comparison at least according to the tabloids. I genuinely wonder how much of what people interpreted as her being rude, fake, attention-seeking or not understanding British culture was actually her not knowing some of these very British social rules.

And I do think there is sometimes an anti-American element that gets brushed over. Obviously not every British person dislikes Americans, but there is definitely a stereotype of Americans being loud, gauche, overly familiar, obsessed with money/status etc. I’ve experienced enough of it myself to know it exists. I sometimes wonder whether Meghan being American made her an easier target because she didn’t instinctively understand the British way of doing things.

Then there’s the race issue. I’m mixed race myself, but interestingly you wouldn’t necessarily know that just by looking at me. I had blonde hair growing up and have green eyes, and people are always surprised when they meet my parents and then see my siblings and me. So I’m very aware that you can’t necessarily look at someone and know their background.

That’s why some of the discussion around Meghan and her children has always struck me as odd. Her children are very light-skinned and could easily be perceived as white by someone who doesn’t know their family background, but obviously that doesn’t change their ancestry. And whatever anyone thinks about Harry and Meghan, I find the way some people talk about their children completely beyond the pale. They are children. I don't think criticism of their parents should extend to dehumanising or racialised comments about them.
I’m not saying that every criticism of Meghan is racist. I actually think that argument can become too simplistic. People can dislike her for plenty of reasons that have nothing to do with race. But I also find it strange when people insist race could not possibly have played any role at all, particularly given some of the very explicit racialised commentary that existed around her.

The other thing I find fascinating is Harry himself. I wonder whether some of the anger towards Meghan is actually partly about what Harry represents. He was essentially presented for years as the cheeky, handsome younger prince and there was this whole fairy-tale idea that an ordinary British woman could marry him. William marrying Kate probably reinforced that to some extent.
Then Harry marries an American woman, leaves the UK and moves to California. And there seems to be a genuine feeling amongst some people that he has personally betrayed the British public. But I struggle to understand that level of emotional investment. He is a person who made decisions about his own marriage and his own life. Why does someone you have never met moving to another country make you so angry?

And this is probably the bit I find most fascinating as an outsider. People will say they don't care about Harry and Meghan, that they're irrelevant, that nobody is interested in them anymore and then seemingly know every single thing they’ve done for the last six years.

So I’m genuinely curious what I’m missing. Is it simply that people think they’re hypocrites and have behaved badly? Is it the way they’ve spoken about the Royal Family? Is it class? Is it anti-American sentiment? Is race a factor? Is it resentment that Harry left? Is it just that they’re particularly irritating to people?
Because I can understand “I dislike Harry and Meghan”. What I find much harder to understand is “I absolutely cannot stand Harry and Meghan” followed by a detailed analysis of everything they’ve done since 2020.
Maybe this is just a cultural difference and I’m completely missing something obvious because I didn’t grow up here.

I do however think that especially wit the fall of the empire, the RF could have used Meghan as an asset but I cannot 100% comment on how that would have worked out I do not know her personally. I only have anecdote from friends in the states who have met them and who lived near them, they were always out and about in the states, a few friends have seen their children many times, those children do not look black at all, so whoever was worried about their race and phenotype can sleep peacefully. Guessing most of the family has met them by now. My own children do not look mixed race at all yet ancestry wise and half their family is African American, traceable to a specific plantation before my mother's family moved to SF. I am mixed race(white father and black mother) but grew up with everyone assuming I am white so many that is where my perspective comes from.

I find the whole thing fascinating? Especially after the whatsapp situation. And for those of you who grew up in the UK, particularly if you have absolutely no connection to the aristocracy or Royal Family, what is it about them that generates such a strong reaction?

The most high profile figures to criticise Harry and Meghan seem to me to be Americans.

pilates · 18/09/2026 07:31

” I think people DO find them jarring because they are guilty of two very important crimes that are really looked down upon within British culture:

  1. fakeness / in-authenticity
  2. self-importance without humility”

^

This pretty much sums it up.

HairyToity · 18/09/2026 07:32

Couldn't be bothered to read it all. I certainly don't hate them, I am bemused by them.

Enko · 18/09/2026 07:38

Will admit I rolled my eyes at

I grew up in the US, SF to be specific, so very liberal maybe that's why.

Op no matter how the media is portraying this most don't hate them. They dislike how they use the media. Personally I am neutral to some extend and I know many who were thrilled for Harry and Meghan when they first were together and got married.

What is disliked is the washing your dirty laundry in public

leopardandspots · 18/09/2026 07:45

Warning: longer than OPs post.

What is it about H & M that provokes a strong reaction? Well it’s slightly different for every person who gives their opinion but perhaps we are following a modern twist on an established pattern?!

Leaving the constitutional monarchy arguments to one side, it’s just uniquely fascinating a bit like your favourite film legend or music star gossip or even successful reality tv show star but with bells on plus an historical imperative.

Meghan. My reaction was positive at first. But she is clearly intelligent she must have done her research and had training about the organisation she was marrying into. By analogy, if you married a Kardashian then you should accept the hyper-visibility, aesthetic controls, and know that personal relationships were part of their business assets? Or maybe make it clear from the outset that you refuse to participate. I guess we don’t know if Meghan did clearly refuse to conform to Royal rules beforehand.

Funnily enough, I lost sympathy at the point of her crassly mocking the Queen’s ‘pantyhose’ rule. It’s easily google able that to preserve the royal image the Queen advised certain rules & dress codes including forms of address, curtseying, etiquette, standing wearing tights/ stockings, hats at appropriate occasions, dignified getting in and out of cars etc. It’s a centuries old institution that survived using that format. Agreeing to take it all on but then mocking those rules is sort of rude, especially whilst expecting to gain financial benefit from the institution. If you want to propose changes ( like in a new job) from an amateur newbie perspective, then I guess quietly propose the change , the advisors and family debate it, and make an agreed joint decision.

Harry
His situation was always a recipe for disaster. A second-born son who has huge privilege but lacks a purpose. If with my DD I’d told the first one, your special, you’ll get the best job, you’ll be promoted and then told DD2 I don’t know what you’ll do really, sorry. I expect she’d be screwed up. And then obviously his Mother died. Throughout royal history the lack of a clear role combined with being the spare produces frustration, rebellion, financial ruin, or scandal anyway without beteavement.Look at Hamlet, the Queen King Hamlet senior and then younger brother Claudius murders him. Alfred, Queen Victoria’s second son struggled to find a meaningful role and was a depressed alcoholic. Margaret was an alcoholic. Andrew.

So we have a strong reaction to them all anyway, as it’s like a unique huge historical play. Paradoxically maybe Harry (aided by Meghan) is actually performing his rebellious role perfectly if you look at history. And weirdly maybe that actually helps perpetuate the myth around it all?

GustyGertie · 18/09/2026 08:19

Look at the current news re Earl Spencer. It all happened a long, long time ago and yet here’s the British press making it current headline news, covering the latest revelations on every news channel. The press stirring up hatred yet again.

LaMarschallin · 18/09/2026 08:33

I’m genuinely posting this because I’m curious about people’s perspectives rather than wanting to argue

Sure.

Maybe it would be better next time to get AI to avoid starting with two whole paragraphs about you.
Very few people will be interested in the background of an anonymous random (just like me, I know) on a message board, who then goes on to ask the same old question that's been repeated over and over and which always comes with words like "genuine" to try to prove good faith.

Noshowlomo · 18/09/2026 08:34

Hmmm for me, I loved the wedding, her second dress, I loved seeing them in photos out and about afterwards. I could see she wasn’t happy about showing baby Archie off, and I remember how I was after having my son, and I would have hated all that. She had that look of not having long had a baby, and she just needed to rest in her pjs.. but then, they just went really weird..
Nothing was good enough, they left and that Oprah interview was awful! And then since when she was on the Drew Barrymore show talking about her love story with “H”, no 40 year olds talk like that. Everything was sickly sweet and had to be seen as perfect. Then the sending As Ever crappy jam to so many famous people, she seemed so desperate to be in with the A listers. And he’s always come across as a plonker really.
I don’t hate them, but they are so full of self importance and the need to be insta perfect, it’s just sickly sweet and off putting.
Again, no hate and it is bonkers how Andrew gets less hate

Crosswurd · 18/09/2026 08:53

In 'real life' away from the internet and the media you would be hard pressed to find many people who cared either way. Ancesotally most I know who arent huge fans dislike all of the Royals, which includes Harry who we only know of and has only had the opportunities he has had by fortune of birth.

TangledUpDown · 18/09/2026 09:13

I do think it's reasonable for the British people to have opinions about Harry and Meghan. They aren't just random celebrities, the royal family are our state representatives. I wish they weren't, but they are.

Moros · 18/09/2026 09:22

Stories about the royal family reliably make money for a section of our media. If they cast some members of the royal family as villains and others as wholesome angels then the contrasting stories make even more money. It's a strategy that's been handsomely paying off for the Express, Mail etc for decades.

There is also a subset of the English population that buy in to this at an extraordinary level for various reasons. Look at the long-running series of Ham PR Disasters threads in this very channel which attract hundreds of posts from a relatively small number of posters every day and that's not counting all the other threads that are going on at the same time, often full of the same posters, which are also unanimously critical of H&M. That's a level of obsession that's well in to creepy stalker territory. I can only imagine this kind of fixation on people they have never met and will never meet fills some kind of void in their lives because, damn, who has the time?

fridaynightzzz · 18/09/2026 09:23

I don’t think people hate them, they dislike them.

I think partly we had such high hopes, people really wanted Harry to meet someone and settle down and be happy. What’s happened though is endless drama.

The big problem for me is the fact they have taken on this position of lecturing other people but don’t follow any of it themselves. Britain is awful, but we’re back! Don’t allow your kids on the internet, but we’ll use ours to create content. We hate the royal family, but don’t forget our titles and who we are. We’re frightened for our security, this is where we are though. I don’t want to curtsey to the Queen but don’t forget to call me Dutchess.

NewGirlInTown · 18/09/2026 09:25

AI nonsense. Go away.

GoodGirlFaith · 18/09/2026 09:34

OP, I'm afraid I didn't read to the end but I 100% agree with everything I did read.

I live in England and find the hatred directed towards Meghan especially, embarrassing. Or rather, I feel embarrassed for the people are so against someone they do not know personally. Most of this hatred is online; I cannot think of 1 person in real life who I have spoken to who really cares what H&M do. Most of my friends watched 'Suits' and loved Meghan in that. Most people I know are in support of them just living happy lives with their children. I do therefore wonder how much of what I read on social media is real.

It is not for the general public to decide that H&M are nasty people because of the things they said about the RF (which have been taken out of context, and applied to the whole nation). It's for their family and the people they have spoken about to decide. I would far rather see a family united, on good terms, than estranged.

Ultimately, I think the UK will always have a bit of soft spot for Harry (especially my age group, and older) because we remember his mother and the tragedy that occurred. There is not 1 person I know who does not talk about how charismatic Harry is. Most people liked Meghan very much when she came to the UK. I actually think that them leaving disappointed a lot of people, and they turned on them as 'traitors'; with the guidance, of course, of the UK mainstream media.

Having written that, there is always some doubt about how much Meghan should be liked because of stories surrounding the run up to the wedding, the tea throwing incident, the way she has treated her father and the bullying allegations.

However, I do think H&M should have the protection they need and would happily pay the miniscule amount required from that from my earnings. I think people forget that in the event of any attack on a high profile person, it is possible that members of the general public could also be at risk.

bingobangs · 18/09/2026 09:39

Shoobadadoo · 17/09/2026 20:51

It’s nothing to do with being American. Or being divorced or being a woman or being an outsider.

its to do with being against the UK saying rude and insulting things and turning harry against his family and his country when he previously was liked and liked the uk.

It’s this, some people are personally offended by their “rejection”.

I don’t get it either but it’s a thing

bingobangs · 18/09/2026 09:41

Moros · 18/09/2026 09:22

Stories about the royal family reliably make money for a section of our media. If they cast some members of the royal family as villains and others as wholesome angels then the contrasting stories make even more money. It's a strategy that's been handsomely paying off for the Express, Mail etc for decades.

There is also a subset of the English population that buy in to this at an extraordinary level for various reasons. Look at the long-running series of Ham PR Disasters threads in this very channel which attract hundreds of posts from a relatively small number of posters every day and that's not counting all the other threads that are going on at the same time, often full of the same posters, which are also unanimously critical of H&M. That's a level of obsession that's well in to creepy stalker territory. I can only imagine this kind of fixation on people they have never met and will never meet fills some kind of void in their lives because, damn, who has the time?

Yes! It is fascinating, the obsession people have.

NarnianQueen · 18/09/2026 09:53

chickenwings2 · 17/09/2026 20:48

it’s because her mum is black that they don’t accept her

This is just such nonsense - she was MASSIVELY POPULAR at first! 😂😂😂

i thought she was going to be a fantastic asset to the royal family but I went right off her when she went on Oprah and told complete lies about why her child didn’t have the same title as the Wales kids!

I think a lot of people can’t forgive her mocking the practice of curtsying to the queen

And generally they just whinge a lot and (ironically?!) Brits don’t like that - not if you’re privileged.

thatwasclose · 18/09/2026 09:56

chickenwings2 · 17/09/2026 20:48

it’s because her mum is black that they don’t accept her

Bollox. I genuinely had no idea her mother was black, because Meghan doesn’t have any obviously black facial features.

Her attitude didn’t endear me to her, but I am ambivalent towards them, however if they had treated my family like they had (on both sides) I would feel differently.

KaleidoscopeSmile · 18/09/2026 09:58

1982abc · 17/09/2026 21:28

what an unhinged and cruel post.

That's rich coming from someone who wrote the deeply unpleasant post not far above this one.

StormGazing · 18/09/2026 10:03

It’s the fakeness, blatant lies,
total stories about their lives making everything look like a
fairy tale for them or a
massive drama in order to get what they want … they’re infamous rather than famous and such self serving entitled clowns … other than that they’re just PR junkies

1982abc · 18/09/2026 10:03

KaleidoscopeSmile · 18/09/2026 09:58

That's rich coming from someone who wrote the deeply unpleasant post not far above this one.

so it's deeply unpleasant to call out the reasons for hatred? Ok, if that's how you want to see it.

Perhaps you prefer not to actually look at the reasons you hate her so much.

Crumble1719 · 18/09/2026 10:04

Nothing to do with her background. We pay for the Royal Family to enjoy privileges that we couldn’t imagine in our wildest dreams. The British public therefore expect something back in return: something to feel proud of on the international stage and that we are all players in our shared history and culture. They also need to show sufficient gratitude and humility for the benefits bestowed on them and for the people paying for these privileges because the monarchy exists only with consent of the people.

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