RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

If you're used to gadding around London, heading to bars, the sales in TKMaxx , doing what you want when you want and having free top notch security that money can't buy who can close streets, speed, carry guns etc.

Then only getting security for things like offical events, having to get pre approval 28 days in advance for wherever you want to go must seem incredibly unfair (if you're Harry)

He wants it automatically, on every visit, rather than it being dependent on judgement at the time

(Or at least that what I think he wants - sometimes what he says isn't completely clear)

I think he wants somebody else to pay for his security wherever he is. He wants this international protected person's status. Which I take it to mean security paid for no matter where in the world he and his family are. Entltled, selfish greedy pathetic pratt.

I think UK intelligence are committed to sharing intelligence as necessary for protection. But they would decide what needed to be shared

I think he wants somebody else to pay for his security wherever he is

No, not that. He’s offered to pay.

I find his reported statements concerning. It can't be healthy for him to believe that his children would be unsafe here without armed security and that the country would be devastated if he was attacked. It's a level of paranoia that will affect everyone around him. My understanding is that his threat level is assessed every time he visits anyway and if there is a genuine threat to his family he will be informed because that's how it works for everyone, royal or not. It really seems like he believes how he feels should be the basis for any decision rather than the actual facts and how he feels needs addressing in therapy.

I think it’s a status thing. His status in the royal family is critical to them both, losing armed protection undermines that. Plus as we have all seen, he doesn’t take it well when he doesn’t get his own way

I believe he calls it the "one sausage less principle".

😂😂

Once again for the hard of thinking - he felt forced to leave because Palace officials and his own family were passing stories onto newspapers about him and his wife, in exchange for positive stories about them (the leakers). That was, understandably, affecting his and his wife's mental health.

If that was the case, he has gotten his revenge 10fold by doing worse, however there is no proof that Harry is speaking the REAL truth, just HIS truth which could be so far off the mark that it borders on paranoia.

In his own words, he left because they wanted financial independence and to carve out a different life away from media intrusion

Once again for the hard of thinking.

No need to be nasty or rude.

Given how vile people are about the two of them, I think it is justified.

My view is that he also has one eye on his children also getting security as they grow up. If he qualifies then it is an easier argument that his children should too.
plus if he needs it in U.K. ( a relatively safe country) then surely he needs it almost everywhere else. If the U.K. agrees he needs 24 armed security then he can use that as an argument for his family, other countries etc

Sure, that was why..😂

There is proof - amongst other things there's the Meghan making Kate cry story; which was leaked and then became clear it was the other way around. Who leaked the original story and why?

He knows full well u can’t pay for armed police
This offer was PR so he can get the public on side
He knew there would be a public push back on the cost - so thought he would head that off with his ridiculous offer - that he knew he wouldn’t have to follow through

He wants status and security - we’ve all seen the ridiculous multi car fleets he travels in

Also if he gets security here does it mean it’s provided in Canada like last time ?

He was forced to leave the country because circumstances became untenable for him and his wife. And if your family or staff leaked stories about you to “friends” in the Murdoch press who then proceeded to do a total annihilation job on you in the media, then you might feel the same way.

And of course he wants to come and go as he pleases. The UK remains his home just as it does to every expat who leaves the country for work or personal reasons. You don’t stop being British , you still have friends you want to see, you want your children to grow up understanding British culture.

I think it’s outrageous that he is not offered proper protection. He will always be the son of the monarch or the brother of the momarch. He can never escape that. So of course he needs high level security. The Palace are obviously doing this to keep him away. Imagine making it harder for your own grandchildren to see you?

No, not that. He’s offered to pay

He won't get that because it sets a precedent for every Z list celeb who visits the UK demanding to hire the police as if they're a private security firm - and all other considerations aside, there probably isn't the manpower.

@Menstrualcycledisplayteam What proof? Genuinely interested as I've never seen any proof of any of the stories against either them or Will & Kate, I would have thought they'd have made it very public if there was proof.

And of course he wants to come and go as he pleases. The UK remains his home just as it does to every expat who leaves the country for work or personal reasons. You don’t stop being British , you still have friends you want to see, you want your children to grow up understanding British culture

Despite circumstances being so untenable that they felt forced to leave? so what's changed?

But he can come and go as he pleases with his own security guards. And presumably he does already plus he can stay in a protected royal property with notice.
it’s his own paranoia about security that means he won’t bring his kids.
that’s his choice.
i agree completely he should get protection when here in U.K. on royal business.

They probably both cried ffs meghan was under the pressure of a royal wedding to unhelpful Harry Kate was a few weeks PP the likelihood is they both ended up in tears and I don't actually care about it because it really doesn't affect me

He gets security anyway when he visits his family because who else sends the cars to collect him from the airport

I'm really not sure which stories you mean.

Aside from Harry's own assertion, which doesn't include examples, there is no evidence of this happening. There was a bit of an outbreak back in the days of the War of the Waleses, but it's not the Palaces' standard modus operandi - far too risky!

And isn't this the first time he's said he felt "forced" to leave?

If he didn't want to go, why did he go in the time and manner that they chose, when the Palace was urging them to take more time and work through the details?

They surely should have realised that most non-working royals receive no close protection at all, and that working royals outside the direct line receive it only for public engagements? And that even if he'd stayed as a working royal, he would have moved towards the Princess Anne/Prince Edward model - probably no later than the time Prince George became legally adult.