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pilates · 2023-12-06T07:02:46+00:00

Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

AuroraCake · 18/12/2023 19:12

AliceOlive · 18/12/2023 18:02

I believe the children of US Presidents only get it while they are in office and only then if they are not yet adults.

The entire family get it when US president is in office. siblings, parents. The works.

AliceOlive · 18/12/2023 20:37

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wildernesssw · 18/12/2023 21:19

AliceOlive · 18/12/2023 20:37

https://www.secretservice.gov/about/faq/general

Interesting to see how it is done elsewhere - thanks for posting 😀

AliceOlive · 18/12/2023 22:34

So I really do think Harry, Meghan and their children should have protection provided, but don’t see a problem with providing advance notice so that bespoke plans can be put in place as needed.

It seems like Harry wants to fight and win, rather than any real problem with the above.

whattheactualfrog · 18/12/2023 23:05

I can understand why he needs protection just not why he needs the highest possible level of protection at all times

AuroraCake · 18/12/2023 23:59

Give them 28 days notice. It isn’t hard. They said they can use bespoke with this. The patches sy he can stay at one with this. Just give them notice. It does make him look petty.

Sheepskinthrow · 19/12/2023 01:53

AuroraCake · 18/12/2023 23:59

Give them 28 days notice. It isn’t hard. They said they can use bespoke with this. The patches sy he can stay at one with this. Just give them notice. It does make him look petty.

I think it could be quite hard if you are royal and move in those circles. If you are mega rich and privileged and are not tied to a salaried job, you literally fill your days popping about the globe in planes from one country to the next, attending a charity event here, a polo match somewhere else, and a house party there, and he’s bound to have UK based friends who dish out spontaneous invitations from time to time.

Any of us could get on a plane and go to the USA as soon as we could get tickets and an ESTA sorted (usually 72 hours). Harry probably feels quite reasonably that as the son of a king he should not have to plan in advance longer than any other ordinary citizen.

AliceOlive · 19/12/2023 02:54

I’m sure he does feel that way. But he chose to join the ranks of the ordinary; we don’t pop so much. I don’t consider it an undue burden to plan overseas trips a month in advance. Haz wanted normalcy. This is part of it.

Lifestooshort71 · 19/12/2023 06:37

I presume these gun-toting close protection squads don't spend idle days with feet up watching the telly scoffing McDonald's so to be allocated to Harry at short notice would mean pulling them from another possibly-at-risk VIP? As many have already said, when mixing with the RF he would come under their security umbrella so it would be the jollies to friends and (possibly contentious?) public appearances where a security detail may need to be provided. Would a personal signing at Waterstones for another slagging-off-the-family book be a tad awkward if accompanied by tax-payers protection? Anyway, Harry needs to give adequate notice to give time for the correct risk assessments to be made to ensure his safety.

Sussurations · 19/12/2023 08:53

He doesn’t have to plan in advance if he is willing to use unarmed private security like the vast majority of VIPs/celebrities. If he is at risk then yes, he needs to cooperate with the system that’s in place, just like other prominent people who receive police protection. If he wants it both ways then he is asking for something that’s really quite unreasonable.

IcedPurple · 19/12/2023 09:35

Harry probably feels quite reasonably that as the son of a king he should not have to plan in advance longer than any other ordinary citizen.

Again, he can 'feel' whatever he likes. However, it's not the job of the taxpayers to pander to those feelings. Nor is it the job of those responsible for allocating scarce resources to prioritise the 'feelings' of a non resident CHIMPO.

I thought you said you were a republican? Why are you suggesting that a private citizen who lives in California should have scarce taxpayer funded facilities at his beck and call, simply because he is the son of the king?

Lockupyourbiscuits · 19/12/2023 09:47

This is unsustainable financially for taxpayers to have standby paid for security on the whim of anyone who lives in another country
The compromise is give us proper notice and it will be provided within reason - depending on the itinerary
Its not a bottomless pit of money - if we think to the ridiculous scenario of Beatrice and Eugenie gadding about abroad with protection trailing we don’t want a repeat
Also looking to the future a reasonable precedent has to be set with the Wales children - this has already by done with the late Queens offspring

Harry isn’t a special case as Andrew also was deployed- however I think it is pause for thought about sending Royals on active duty in future

Harry needs to first do all he can to minimise his families future risk and accept there will need to be compromise following his life choices

rosyglowcondition · 19/12/2023 09:48

Ah... a lovely civilised and reasonable reasoned discussion. Love it!

mpsw · 19/12/2023 09:55

Harry probably feels quite reasonably that as the son of a king he should not have to plan in advance longer than any other ordinary citizen.

Well, if you're talking the actual plane journey, he doesn't have to.

But if the traveller wants somewhere nice to stay (rather than take chances on arrival) then they would book it in advance, and if only a small selection of places were acceptable and none had a room, then they might choose to put off the trip until there was availability. Ditto if they were keen to use certain services - say see a particular show or go to an exclusive venue. They might already be full, and so you do without or rebook for when available.

What the ordinary citizen doesn't do is assume that if they have specific requirements for a trip, that those things will definitely be available at short notice. So they plan ahead.

Availability, ensuring safe/effective total workload and rostering of close protection personnel takes time. As do any necessary recces.

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/12/2023 09:58

I presume these gun-toting close protection squads don't spend idle days with feet up watching the telly scoffing McDonald's so to be allocated to Harry at short notice would mean pulling them from another possibly-at-risk VIP?

Not if they're retired Gurkhas 😀although I don't think they're gun toting if they're retired. Handy with a kukri, though.

whattheactualfrog · 19/12/2023 10:07

Lifestooshort71 · 19/12/2023 06:37

I presume these gun-toting close protection squads don't spend idle days with feet up watching the telly scoffing McDonald's so to be allocated to Harry at short notice would mean pulling them from another possibly-at-risk VIP? As many have already said, when mixing with the RF he would come under their security umbrella so it would be the jollies to friends and (possibly contentious?) public appearances where a security detail may need to be provided. Would a personal signing at Waterstones for another slagging-off-the-family book be a tad awkward if accompanied by tax-payers protection? Anyway, Harry needs to give adequate notice to give time for the correct risk assessments to be made to ensure his safety.

Yeah the royal PPOs are highly specialised, they’re like a specialty within a specialty within a specialty. It takes a long time to train them, and they’re promoted from regular officers (or maybe from other types of protection officer - found conflicting info!). So royal PPOs are kept constantly working, they don’t have a pool of PPOs sitting around waiting for someone to protect. If they were to train someone to wait on standby for Harry’s annual trip it’s one less regular officer for everyone else.

AutumnCrow · 19/12/2023 12:56

I'm pretty sure at this point that Sheepskinthrow is taking the royal piss.

rosyglowcondition · 19/12/2023 13:06

AutumnCrow · 19/12/2023 12:56

I'm pretty sure at this point that Sheepskinthrow is taking the royal piss.

Indeed. Normal people deciding on a last minute trip to the Med will not be asking for armed security 🙄

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/12/2023 13:08

rosyglowcondition · 19/12/2023 13:06

Indeed. Normal people deciding on a last minute trip to the Med will not be asking for armed security 🙄

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Caveat there being normal people with reasonable expectations.

AliceOlive · 19/12/2023 13:09

Is he looking for specific, dedicated security? I guess if they granted him that, it would be easy enough to say “now that you are paying them anyway, they can just go wherever we go in the world.” Could that be the plan?

ArcaneWireless · 19/12/2023 13:14

AutumnCrow · 19/12/2023 12:56

I'm pretty sure at this point that Sheepskinthrow is taking the royal piss.

Quite.

If you can afford to pop about all over the globe, you can afford your own security in those popped to places.

As for taking the royal pish?

It would seem sometimes that royal pish is for life and not just for Christmas.

IcedPurple · 19/12/2023 13:36

AliceOlive · 19/12/2023 13:09

Is he looking for specific, dedicated security? I guess if they granted him that, it would be easy enough to say “now that you are paying them anyway, they can just go wherever we go in the world.” Could that be the plan?

Armed police cannot operate outside their own jurisdiction, in this case the United Kingdom. They can liaise with local police, but not carry arms. The Canadians, who had provided security in their time in Vancouver 4 years ago, made it clear that they would be no longer be doing so once they 'stepped back'. So I can't see any other country offering him official protection.

HonoriaLucastaDelagardie · 19/12/2023 13:45

Armed police cannot operate outside their own jurisdiction

Wasn't there an episode of Yes, Minister or Yes, Prime Minister about that? Someone in the entourage of a visiting dignitary was found to have brought an unauthorised weapon into the country, as I recall.

sashagabadon · 19/12/2023 14:06

The average U.K. citizen does plan in advance though. Sometimes a year or more!
I plan my summer hols the autumn before as i want good flights and good accommodation and I pay for it monthly.
So Harry gets his wish to be treated like everyone else ( although that isn’t what he meant of course)

MrsFinkelstein · 19/12/2023 19:33

Sheepskinthrow · 19/12/2023 01:53

I think it could be quite hard if you are royal and move in those circles. If you are mega rich and privileged and are not tied to a salaried job, you literally fill your days popping about the globe in planes from one country to the next, attending a charity event here, a polo match somewhere else, and a house party there, and he’s bound to have UK based friends who dish out spontaneous invitations from time to time.

Any of us could get on a plane and go to the USA as soon as we could get tickets and an ESTA sorted (usually 72 hours). Harry probably feels quite reasonably that as the son of a king he should not have to plan in advance longer than any other ordinary citizen.

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Someone had pointed out previously that, due to current legislation, at least 2 weeks notice needs to be given if annual leave has to be cancelled. As most Brits take 2 weeks A/L for holidays, then 28 days covers that timescale if PPO's are needed to be redeployed to cover security for Harry.

I don't think that's too much to ask frankly.

I completely agree he should be offered security - level of which as assessed by RAVEC after a full review of available intelligence.

Edit to add - he can still absolutely pop over with 72hrs notice (or less as I assume he will always be up to date with ESTAs - valid for ?2yrs) if he wants to like Joe Bloggs, he just can't dictate he gets extra elite security in that case. He makes do with his usual security.