RAVEC - Prince Harry

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Can someone explain to me the procedure and how this works?

I thought it's because his private security wouldn't be able to carry weapons in the uk?

It was Camilla Tominey writing in the Daily Telegraph in November 2018 who first made reference to this. Story is behind a paywall - headline "Kate and Meghan: Is the royal sisterhood really at breaking point?"

CT is woefully inaccurate - I remember when she wrote a whole article about Camilla generously allowing Catherine to be in the centre of an FCO balcony at Remembrance Sunday 2021, and this being A Sign

When actually, they weren't on the middle balcony - that was the Duke of Kent who was representing Her Majesty (too unwell to attend), so Camilla was the one in the place of honour - the position nearest to the centre balcony where Queen/representative was.

There is no way on earth that any Palace was behind that bit of fan-girling. She saw something, misunderstood it but wrote it anyhow.

Are there any examples from journos who don't bollocks things up on a regular basis?

How has it “become clear”?

Surely it’s understandable that wanting your children to grow up understanding the culture of your home country by visiting regularly is a completely separate thing to the relationship you have with your family? Harry doesn’t necessarily have to stay with family when he’s over here. He can’t now anyway they have removed his house from them!

Imagine being the monarch and having twelve houses or estates that you can stay in and not allowing your son and his family even one? Pretty shoddy if you ask me.

I wouldn't say that people who consider where the info is coming from, whether there might be ulterior motives and/or other sides to the story etc and basically try to evaluate the sources before coming to a conclusion are 'hard of thinking'. The opposite, if anything.

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But he will be given somewhere to stay when he visits the UK, if he gives reasonable notice.

@Sheepskinthrow Do you believe he would not be allowed to stay in any of the crown accommodations when he visits the UK?

I want to know how much this Shit show is costing us taxpayers.

Please Harry just fuck off and shut the fuck up!

KCs don't come cheap, and yes, it's us the taxpayers who are funding it

So he is getting the equivalent of legal aid when it's not available to most folk for non criminal cases. It's beyond disgraceful. Or is he paying his own court costs.

No, he's paying his costs, we the tax payers are paying for RAVEC's costs

Hopefully he loses. Can't see him winning when Beatrice and Eugenie had their security removed years ago. Were they not 5th and 6th in line to the throne before William had kids. I worked out quickly Harry is 5th in line now. Archie and Lily 6th and 7th. Easiest way do a Duke of Windsor on him. Imagine the chaos if he had to be King.

I haven't read his book but I understand that comment stems from Spare? If so then I'm on his side for this one. My kids have the same gap and they get an equal amount of sausages.

Having said that it's a small thing to mention as an adult. I think it indicates that he has an unfortunate habit of creating self fulfilling prophecies. He is looking for evidence of unfairness so of course he finds it, I think he'd be happier if he looked for more positive things.

With regard to this 'forced to leave the country', I am not sure when he said it. It's a new one to me. I'm sorry if someone earlier has explained exactly where/when he said it, or indeed, if it was said for him by someone acting on his behalf. The phrase 'forced to leave' is another of the wide open innuendos which can be interpreted in different ways by any of us. FORCED, by golly.

Forced by the toxic British newspapers, Harry, or by many other contributing factors as well, not least your own desire to be gone from those parts of your royal life which you didn't enjoy?

In the olden days, when Harry and Meghan lived in Nott Cott, did he often buy frocks for her from TKMaxx? Were those the days when they crept in with their heads bowed, wading through the damp and making one roast chicken last a fortnight?

I think Harry felt forced to leave or at least make major changes. I believe Meghan was very unhappy and that leaving was what she needed. Always thought it could have been handled in a very different way.

I think they said it in the Netflix docu series thing. He said they had been forced to flee for their lives.

I think they said it in the Netflix docu series thing. He said they had been forced to flee for their lives

If he really used those form of words then it's beyond belief and he's sunk even further in my opinion - which wasn't that high to start with. Was he really equating leaving the UK for the US to being a refugee??

Surely it’s understandable that wanting your children to grow up understanding the culture of your home country by visiting regularly is a completely separate thing to the relationship you have with your family? Harry doesn’t necessarily have to stay with family when he’s over here

As far as I'm aware no-one's said he can't visit anytime he wants. He just can't have the royal security if it's not for royal duties. And I'd have thought relationship with your family is integral to having your children growing up understanding the culture, given that their GF is the Head of State, FGS.

I think it’s outrageous that he is not offered proper protection

I don't know why you're raising something that's already been answered repeatedly, @Sheepskinthrow; they do get "proper protection", only it's very reasonably decided on a case-by-case basis instead of being the blanket arrangement which Harry wants

Also, on the "damage to their mental health" thing, I'm still waiting to hear why they'd want a half-in-half-out arrangement with an institution which allegedly nearly drove Meghan to suicide

"There is proof - amongst other things there's the Meghan making Kate cry story; which was leaked and then became clear it was the other way around."

@Menstrualcycledisplayteam , I suspect the question of who made whom cry will never be "proven". Instead, we pick from the two competing versions based on the credibility of the sources:

• on the one hand, the seamstress team and a number of commentators and observers who picked up the story and ran it on social media/the press
• on the other hand, a proven liar

I'm not saying I necessarily put a lot of store by the first lot... some of them may have had an agenda... however there were many of them saying the same thing so that adds some weight... the second source however does have form for fabricating and shit-stirring, and certainly does have a very clear agenda.

My take on Crygate is that they probably both cried. at some point. Kate tried to make it up and sent flowers. Meghan put them in the bin.IIRC Nice.

This is about how the Mail reported on his Ravec challenge, regarding when and why H offered to pay himself for security. Judge's comments are interesting.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/08/prince-harry-loses-legal-bid-to-throw-out-mail-on-sunday-publishers-libel-defence

Harry knows, and has known for some time, that it’s not possible for him to effectively hire the protection services of the Met. He was told no when he suggested it, and the High Court then confirmed that this was not a decision that could be challenged by a judicial review.

Harry is still persisting with his current judicial review however, which is against the Home Office’s decision not to provide him and his family with Met protection services whenever he is in the UK. He’s taken this action forward to trial, which means he is pushing for taxpayer-funded security (as he has known for some time now that it’s not possible for him to pay for it).

As said by the High Court in a different decision, released today, Harry’s offer to pay was simply PR spin that he put on his announcement that he was suing the Home Office to try and cast him in a better light. But it was misleading. He is suing the Home Office because he wants the taxpayer to pay.

What I cannot comprehend is why Harry and his legal team chose the judicial review of all the articles they could have for a legal case against the daily mail. Whilst the judicial review is deliberating he has now of his own making highlighted he or his sources spun the story to attract the most positive public opinions. It’s one thing for newspapers to gossip it’s another for a judge to highlight the spinning in legal documents. Why would you do that to yourself and why wouldn’t the most expensive lawyer point the stupidity out.