Harry’s podcast

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Carrying on the discussion about Harry’s podcast.

Oooooh I’m scared now the U.K. won’t be liked around the world for not liking H&M.

People see through them.

Some buy into the woke religion may adopt them as patron saints of whinge and hypocrisy for help thinking of a new lie to cover an old lie.

Perhaps if you share your superior society ‘laughing’ at U.K. then I could describe how your country may be viewed whilst borrowing your evil styled moustache to twiddle.

I think that Kate, like Camilla is probably great fun.

Sorry for the long post, I got carried away!

I'm glad to read that the discussion on Charles and parenting was only a small part of the podcast (I haven't listened as I find the pair of them frustrating).

I guess the problem is that Harry has left one gilded cage for another. He's now stuck dealing with the demands of the companies he's now working for.

The Crown portrays his mother in a pretty negative way, never mind the rest of the family, and yet he has to defend it because he's working for Netflix. Netflix are now going all out on the British Royal Family and there's another documentary about Diana in the pipeline. This can't sit comfortably with Harry as Netflix are essentially profiteering from his dead mother.

He did the podcast to champion the mental health series he has done with Oprah Winfrey for Apple TV. His main role in that appears to be being the face of the series, given he doesn't have much experience in producing TV series etc. He has to go out and sell the series, and it's led to him making some comments that he may later regret.

When you are in the public eye, everything you say can be checked against the things you said and did at an earlier stage. That was why the Oprah interview was soundly criticised, because so much of it could be demonstrated to be false.

Same with this podcast. The repeated discussion about not being able to ride a bike with his son in the UK, but being able to in the USA; when the press immediately pulled out a multitude of pictures of Harry on the back of Charles and Diana's bikes as a child. By now his PR company must know that those pictures are being circulated, and yet he repeats the comment on this podcast.

He's either not being properly guided, or he's not doing the ground work before these interviews. He needs to know what he's said previously and attempt to be consistent.

Obviously I don't expect him to remember being on the back of his father's bike at two years old, but once its been pointed out then he needs to adjust his comments for his next interview or he begins to seem a bit false.

The comments about Meghan encouraging him to seek therapy - his PR team ought to know that he's attributed it to William previously (and fairly recently) as they should be clued up on what he's said before.

It may be as simple as Meghan encouraged him to get further therapy, as he'd finished the round he had previously, but by not being clear, he again looks like he's rewriting history.

Rather like Kier Starmer with the Brexit Deal, when he stood up and listed all the things he thought ought to be in the deal - then Theresa May stood up and stated that all those items were in the deal she brought before parliament, but Kier Starmer had voted against it. It's a rookie error (more for Kier Starmer than Harry) but makes them look a bit foolish.

Harry has no set career path now he's left the Royal Family. I don't know if he can rejoin the army? I suppose he could fly air ambulance helicopters etc like William did, but that is not going to keep them in the lifestyle they had in the royal family, and seem to want to keep hold of.

Meghan seems to not want to return to acting, which rules out another career option, one which might actually pay quite a substantial sum of money, depending on the parts she gets offered.

So they are left in this slightly awkward position where they have to trade off their titles to try to bridge the gap into celebrity status, while trying to up-skill into their chosen field - which seems to be TV and film/podcast production, where neither have much (if any) previous experience.

They clearly became very angry at the Royal Family, sometime after their original statement about being half in and half out, as they weren't desperate to leave the racist, cold, genetic pain they were experiencing at that stage.

I suspect that they genuinely thought the half in and half out could work, and neither of them had really considered the ramifications for things such as security and possible exploitation.

At that stage the Queen had already had the dreadful Andrew interview to contend with - which I'm sure laid bare all the reasons that the Royals are targets to be exploited by rich "friends" if they are not careful.

I don't doubt that that interview steered her view in deciding that you are either a working royal, or you aren't - which has just been validated by the Duke of Kent (?) and his actions.

It appears that Meghan was keen to return to the USA (I don't blame her one bit!). That creates more problems for them in terms of security.

If they lived in the UK at Frogmore, even as non working royals, they would have security in and around the house, because it's part of the Queen's estate. So even though they wouldn't have personal security, they would have regular security just by proxy, as do all the other non working royals, such as Beatrice and Eugenie as they live at Kensington Palace.

Living that lifestyle must be hideously expensive, and I'm sure the pair of them must be very stressed. Their combined fortunes won't run a big household, house and pay security for long.

They have to earn a massive living - and I don't think it's clear right now where that is going to come from.

It sounds like not only have they lost the Sovereign Grant (which is fair) but Charles has also removed the money he paid to Harry from the Duchy of Cornwall. I can't remember the sum, but I think it was something like £2 million a year.

That's a lot of money to lose, and I doubt any of us would be pleased to have it taken away when there is nothing to replace it. Even though one of their goals was financial independence - they are certainly not there yet.

I think the OW interview and the podcast have come after Charles cut Harry off and he is extremely angry about it - not least because he genuinely feels he needs round the clock security (understandable after Diana and the continual press interest) which must be eating away at his personal funds.

If he feels that his wife and child are exposed because he is a prince, then I'm sure he is very angry about those funds being taken away so quickly - because he's not had chance to replace them.

I don't like the way he's behaving at the moment - but the reality is that he would have been funded by Charles, and then William, for the rest of his life as a working royal. It was expected, and it was standard for children of the monarch/future monarch because they were working royals. So it's not the same as your average Joe who would not usually receive money from their parents in their late 30's.

@diddl

I think that Kate, like Camilla is probably great fun.

Kate seems very disciplined and reserved, which has served her very well. She never said one word to the press in all the years she and William were dating and never complained either. Despite the nonsense that some here spout about how no other royal woman got it bad until Meghan came along, Kate was physically harassed by the press, had her phone hacked over a hundred times and had all sorts of jibes about her 'laziness' and her family's social climbing skills for years. But she let it wash over her.

I'm not sure whether she'd be 'fun' though. Camilla however? She sounds like my kind of lady. I'd love to spend an afternoon with her and a bottle or two of gin. If we're talking 'dull', I doubt Meghan would be much fun as she'd probably want to talk about herself the whole time.

All speculation obviously.

Britain looks like little England What does that mean? I'm Scottish. You've got your country titles mixed up. Do you call the Queen 'The Queen of England' ?

@randomkey123

They've left a life of absolute privilege because they didn't want to be told to behave in a certain as the rest of the family is expected to. Which was exactly their right to do. But what they can't then expect is to carry on using their royal names to trade on, still be treated with deference and preference, and to be funded while doing so. That's what the public are pissed off about, it really is that simple.

Stands up to applaud.

yes this, this and this. This is the perfect summary.

It doesn’t matter it’s a small part though. It’s the meaning of the words.

Wife says to husband - I’m leaving you. Short and to the point, but it opens up a huge can of worms of hurt and reflection on where did it go wrong? It doesn’t have to be an essay to be hurtful.

If your child walked in and said - not your fault, but I am going to do everything differently when I have kids.

You would understand the motivation and intention of those few words. You would also think get back to me when you've got teenagers.

"All speculation obviously."

Well yes.

I agree with you about Camilla-she comes across as if she would be fun.

Kate less so I think-but it's probably unlikely that she never is iyswim.

Even Charles looks as if he'd be fun to be with at times!

Prince Charles gave an interview when he described his emotionally and physically distanced parents and his father being harsh and hectoring.

What's the difference?

If he feels that his wife and child are exposed because he is a prince, then I'm sure he is very angry about those funds being taken away so quickly - because he's not had chance to replace them.

Well, tough. We all have to live within our means. Most of us couldn't afford to drop everything and move to the other side of the world just like that. If he's worried about security, he could have bought a smaller property which would be much easier and cheaper to secure. Or he could have stayed in Windsor where his property would be secured no matter what his royal status was. Choices have consequences. I reckon this is the first time in his life Harry has realised that, if he does realise it.

They clearly became very angry at the Royal Family, sometime after their original statement about being half in and half out, as they weren't desperate to leave the racist, cold, genetic pain they were experiencing at that stage.

I think this is important.

Many seem to be suggesting that they left the royal family on principle. They did not. They wanted to retain most of their royal perks, keep Duchy money and taxpayer funded security, pick and choose the royal events they wanted to attend and use the Sussex Royal 'brand'. That was denied them, hence their rage. Even now, despite slagging off the royals on a regular basis, they insist on using royal titles.

They didn't want to leave the royal family because they found the notion of royalty objectionable. They wanted to make money out of it. They still do.

@Notonthestairs

Prince Charles gave an interview when he described his emotionally and physically distanced parents and his father being harsh and hectoring.

What's the difference?

Very little.

Charles was roundly criticised for this at the time, just like Harry is being criticised now. Slagging off your parents in public is never a good look.

If I had to pick a spot at the dinner table, the people I would choose to be next to would be Camilla and Zara.
Once upon a time I would also have picked Harry as he looked quite a laugh, but not now. Wouldn't fancy a woke lecture.

@IcedPurple

As for them not being popular outside of the UK, you must be joking right?

No, just asking for evidence. Earlier I posted YouGov polls showing that they are very unpopular in the UK, so it would be reasonable to ask you to do the same for them. The VaxLive concert that they were involved with was a flop. What tangible evidence do you have that these two are loved? There may be some curiosity about them due to their royal connections, but that kind of proves the opposite to what you are claiming. The interest is in the royals, not in Harry and Meghan the C list celebrities.

I like good vibes and I don’t care to bash two people I don’t know anything thing about.

Aren't you the same poster who described two people you don't know as 'dull'? Is that 'good vibes'?

'Vax Live' concert raised $302 million amounting to 26 Million doses of vaccine smashing the goal of 10 million doses.

William piggy backed on captain Tom's which raised £30m.

And I think Harry is just, finally, realising that actions have consequences. He's been protected from them all his life but is out on his own now.

'Vax Live' concert raised $302 million amounting to 26 Million doses of vaccine smashing the goal of 10 million doses.

These were corporate donations made in advance of the concert, which had very poor viewing figures. The concert was just an opportunity for 'celebrities' to virtue signal.

It’s great that Harry seems to be focussing more on his mental health and sometimes with the power of hindsight, you can see things for what they are. But wasn’t it William who suggested Harry seek therapy in the first place? If I remember correctly, it was in the early days of Heads Together. But I do wish Harry just gets on with his new job as well as his Netflix/Apple ventures.

Also, people love to denigrate British tabloids, but every country has their version of tabloids so we aren’t the only country that has the likes of the Mail publishing half truths and mistruths. Recently, I was sent a clip of an actor in the States talking about how it was printed that she was pregnant when she wasn’t, she mentioned that she took issue with this and instead it was reprinted to say she wasn’t pregnant “just bloated” and that she learnt to ignore these things because they’re not always nice. There are also constant speculations of affairs, scandals and pregnancy rumours published in tabloids in different countries and somehow people still believe them. The fact of the matter is, MSM and tabloids aren’t always nice and true journalism is dying art. But I still can appreciate that whilst the British press were slightly more respectful when it came to Diana’s car crash, many of the world’s media weren’t. And yet I also know that MSM added fuel to the fire, speculating where QE2 was, faux concern for Harry and William. Yes, Diana should have worn a seatbelt and yes she shouldn’t have gotten into that car. But she was being chased by paparazzi and just as it can effect Harry’s mental health, so too can it effect William’s that their mother’s death could have been avoidable. It wasn’t just Harry who had to walk behind his mother’s coffin. And it wasn’t that long ago that the two brothers seemed a lot closer than they are now.

It’s very easy to point fingers and forget that these are real people. I know that Harry and Meghan do get a lot of flack and I don’t agree with any of the racism, but the unfairness of reporting won’t go away. They need to stop feeding the press, or reading negative headlines, just get on with life and do what they need to do and the press won’t ignore them because it fuels the headlines. But eventually the tide will turn. They’ve said what they needed to say, especially knowing full well the rest of Harry’s family won’t be doing the same, but Meghan’s would so I am glad she has the sense to stop talking so much about her family so much at every chance she gets.

And yet the very people who are supportive of Harry and Meghan are also very dismissive of other members of the family, reality is not that simple. The way Kate dresses, where William and Kate send their kids to school, the fact they have a nanny or two, how their nannies dress in formal occasions, the fact that she was with William a long while before marriage etc, constant analysis but somehow if people are analysing what Harry and Meghan say or do, then that’s not right. I don’t think any of that is right, whether it’s about Harry and Meghan or anyone else, it’s very easy to analyse and forget that these are real people here. People need to also stop “hate watching” or “hate following” Harry and Meghan and hold MSM accountable for any mistruths and half truths published about anything or anyone because if people are getting their news from sources that aren’t always accurate, then this problem will always be there.

The way I see it is that this is a family, who may still have love for one another but have their problems aired out on the world stage, that’s not something I can easily stomach. I’d have agreed more if Harry and Meghan really wanted to make changes, then to do so privately. Just because some have watched The Crown or they read about these people or watched a few interviews, they feel they are experts and know exactly what that person is thinking.

The fact is Harry and Meghan are very popular outside of the UK. The Commonwealth love them.

Really - I live in the Commonwealth and see little evidence of that here.

The rest of the Royal Family are barely known or cared about outside the UK.

Utter rubbish!

@IcedPurple

'Vax Live' concert raised $302 million amounting to 26 Million doses of vaccine smashing the goal of 10 million doses.

These were corporate donations made in advance of the concert, which had very poor viewing figures. The concert was just an opportunity for 'celebrities' to virtue signal.

Vaccines save lives, doesn't matter who paid for them.

Vaccines save lives, doesn't matter who paid for them.

That's not the issue here though, is it?

We're talking about the alleged popularity of the Harkles. The poor viewing figures of VaxLive kind of goes against the notion that everyone outside of 'racist' Britain loves them. Unless you've got other evidence?

Buckingham Palace insiders ‘disappointed’ as Prince Harry interview ‘usurps’ Prince William’s Wolverhampton trip

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/harry-meghan-royals-sussex-latest-b1848034.html
You decide, who do people want to hear from more?

@IcedPurple

If he feels that his wife and child are exposed because he is a prince, then I'm sure he is very angry about those funds being taken away so quickly - because he's not had chance to replace them.

Well, tough. We all have to live within our means. Most of us couldn't afford to drop everything and move to the other side of the world just like that. If he's worried about security, he could have bought a smaller property which would be much easier and cheaper to secure. Or he could have stayed in Windsor where his property would be secured no matter what his royal status was. Choices have consequences. I reckon this is the first time in his life Harry has realised that, if he does realise it.

They clearly became very angry at the Royal Family, sometime after their original statement about being half in and half out, as they weren't desperate to leave the racist, cold, genetic pain they were experiencing at that stage.

I think this is important.

Many seem to be suggesting that they left the royal family on principle. They did not. They wanted to retain most of their royal perks, keep Duchy money and taxpayer funded security, pick and choose the royal events they wanted to attend and use the Sussex Royal 'brand'. That was denied them, hence their rage. Even now, despite slagging off the royals on a regular basis, they insist on using royal titles.

They didn't want to leave the royal family because they found the notion of royalty objectionable. They wanted to make money out of it. They still do.

I agree absolutely. Harry has never really had to plan things out for himself, and he definitely didn't wait long enough to work through the details before they put out the statement and disappeared back to Canada.

It looks like the reason Charles and the Queen wanted to take time to work things through, was because there was a lot to work through - some of it needing discussions with the government - particularly security.

H&M were impatient to get it agreed and be off - and they seem to have taken the delays as stonewalling, when I'm not convinced they were.

Harry is now stuck in a place where he has to fund the security. Meghan is unlikely to want to return to the UK to live - even before the OW interview. Now she's even more unpopular, and she obviously didn't like living in the UK anyway.

So they are trying to make the money themselves - and I think it leaves them vulnerable to exploitation.

I take a fairly dim view of them generally, and when I started typing my (very long) post - it was from a negative standpoint, but the more I typed, the more I realised that this must be generating enormous stress between H&M - there is a solution to the lack of money and security, but I doubt M would ever consider moving back to the UK, so Harry is stuck as his child/ren will be in the USA.

It was just corporate advertising and making sure corporations are ‘seen’ to be doing good - the charity donations happen anyway, as tax efficient advertising.

Is it that people not realising the above are naive or do they know that but think the rest of the world are fools?

H&M weren’t involved in raising money - see it more as an after the event corporation promo they wanted to be in because it would look good for them.

@MoChridhe

Buckingham Palace insiders ‘disappointed’ as Prince Harry interview ‘usurps’ Prince William’s Wolverhampton trip

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/harry-meghan-royals-sussex-latest-b1848034.html
You decide, who do people want to hear from more?

Nobody wants to 'hear from' royals. That's not their role. Most of them are very average, not especially intelligent people with little expertise in anything other than being royal. Their role is to highlight and thank the people who do the hard work and do have the expertise.

As for Harry, ever since he's strayed from giving bland speeches written for him by professionals, he has richly proved the truth of the saying "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."