Harry’s podcast

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Carrying on the discussion about Harry’s podcast.

The phrase "diamond shoes pinching" is very apt for them both. so true.
if they are happy there why are they still attacking RF?

Oh no, this guy popped up on the news again discussing his personal family life.

It's excruciating to see as an outsider and I can only feel very sorry for his relatives.

This is quite a distasteful thread. Terrible views on mental health and a generous dollop of misogyny and more

@Alondra

Harry hasn't said anything that we don't know already - the inability to emotionally be there for each other. First and foremost their loyalty is to to maintain the crown at whatever cost, we all know the complicated relationship of Elizabeth and Phillip with their children, and the more than complicated relationship of Charles with Diana and his own children. Nothing is new, it's been a dysfunctional family for decades....Harry is simply acknowledging it.

As to why he can talk about all these issues publicly? He's a prince of the UK until his death and he's finally out of the royal family financially. Complete independence. It doesn't make him more hypocritical than the duke of kent, gloucester, and rest of hanger ons making a nice profit from being members the royal family.

The dukes of Gloucester and Kent are not hangers on in anything like the way you’re suggesting.

Neither would have been expecting to be full time royals in the way they were, but with the premature deaths of the Duke of Gloucester’s brother and of his father, in the Kent case, along with their uncle George VI their careers in architecture and the military, respectively, were set aside when they were asked to be full time royals by the Queen.

In 2018 the Duke of Gloucester was 7th on the list of most engagements - ahead of both William and Harry. The duke of Kent did the same number as Harry.

In 2019 William did a few more engagements that the Dukes, but both, again did more than Harry.

@Gorgeouslilgirl

This is quite a distasteful thread. Terrible views on mental health and a generous dollop of misogyny and more

Give over

I was watching an item on the news last night about refugees dying in the sea , trying to get away from war and poverty. What would they think of Harry? It’s obscene.

And I don't think H&M will mind their popularity ratings dropping in the UK post-Oprah, because this is all about establishing themselves in the USA.

Never say never but it really looks like H is intent on burning his boats at home, especially when he mentioned the parents of his parents. What he alluded to was probably true but he was dangerously close to criticising the Queen and he more than anyone must be aware that that's a big no no. And if he has irrevocably fallen out with his father and brother, then he knows that once the Queen dies, he probably won't be looking to return home or be any more welcome back home, maybe even less so, any time soon.

The Diana memorial ceremony will be the next time we see him in the UK, and then, who knows? Will his daughter be christened in the USA or in the private chapel at Windsor like Archie? It will be a sad state of affairs if only one member of the family on both sides (Doria) is present. Families eh?

Excellent article by Barbara Amiel who I always admired as a journalist before her husband and money seduced her.
Anyway there are some parallels one can draw re Harry and Meghan.

David Cameron's TV humiliation is analysed by BARBARA AMIEL
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I doubt their daughter will be christened at all. I very much think they are burning their boats. Harry seems completely done with the UK and his family.
I do understand why he wants to bring up his children differently, but it doesn’t seem to have occurred to him that cutting his children off from their whole family apart from Doria is creating a whole new toxic dynamic that will affect them all their lives. They won’t know what having cousins, Uncles and Aunts and grandparents is like. They will understand nothing about their heritage on their father’s side. Doria will be their only extended family. Very sad.

I don't think he says these things because its true.
I think he says them because its what the American audience want to hear.
Americans know so little about the Royal Family and British culture and therefore ask less questions and completely believe H&Ms version of events.
But sooner or later, even the Americans must get fed up of hearing the same things over and over again. Harry will run out of stories, especially if he's not part of the royal family anymore and has no new experiences to share.
When W&K ascend to the throne, that will be an interesting time.

“ he was dangerously close to criticising the Queen and he more than anyone must be aware that that's a big no no.”

Why? Are we Thailand that we cannot criticise the monarch?

@Gorgeouslilgirl

“ he was dangerously close to criticising the Queen and he more than anyone must be aware that that's a big no no.”

Why? Are we Thailand that we cannot criticise the monarch?

Well, as you know, we’re perfectly free to criticise the queen. Members of the royal family have to follow different rules.

It also pisses me off that people forget William

He lost his mother too

He had the same father

yet he stays quiet.
I read somewhere that he was more accepting of Camilla than Harry was.
Diana also apparently said that William was the Windsor and Harry the Spencer.
So I think its much more to do with personalities than parenting.

But Harry s free to say what he likes. He is earning us own living and with that comes free man status.

I haven’t heard the podcast, just read about it in the Independent
“ Prince Harry. I listened to his appearance on the American podcast Armchair Expert, and am left convinced of one thing: Harry can be an important part of the conversation about male mental health.

It’s rare to hear young men talking openly and frankly about how they’ve suffered, or are suffering – and it’s exactly what is needed to tackle some of our biggest social crises: male suicide, which hit a two-decade high in 2019 in England and Wales; depression and toxic masculinity. Hearing someone like Prince Harry discuss the ways in which empathy, compassion, self-awareness (and therapy) have helped him deal with his emotions is a breath of fresh air.”

And this bit is relevant to the vipers here 😃
“ It’s hard for all of us to shrug off online hate and viciousness; whether or not we are in the public eye. I once saw the comments section on a piece I’d written about feminism descend into a discussion amongst the men who were using it as to whether or not I was attractive enough to take to bed. The comments were obviously moderated when I flagged them up, but it still hurt. Yet Harry doesn’t seem to have allowed online hate to make him bitter. He’s fighting it with compassion, instead.

“ “Hatred is a form of projection – we’re not born to hate people,” he told podcast host Dax Shepard. “It manifests itself over a period of time and it comes from a place of unresolved pain– ultimately, there’s a source for it. There’s a reason you want to hate somebody else. When it comes to trolling on social media I take a moment to look at it and say, okay, this is how it’s making me feel, but I flip it and say, okay, how’s your day going? What happened to you? And actually have some compassion for them. Which is hard when you’re on the receiving end of some vile, toxic abuse; but I try and think, what’s your goal? What made you come at me?”

Just not very compassionate to his own family. I’d be devastated if a member of my family spoke that way about me when all I’ve tried to do is my best. You can talk about your MH but don’t drag everyone else down. This will be affecting their mental health also not forgetting that his brother also lost their mother at a young age. And god give me strength but Harry is not a young man. He’s 36.

That was a great post DeRigueurMortis

'But Harry s free to say what he likes. He is earning us own living and with that comes free man status'

So therefore everyone including Thomas markle are therefore free to say what they like too? 'Share their truth' if you like.

Except Harry doesn't like it when folk speculate and gossip about him so wtf makes it ok for him to do it?

@Gorgeouslilgirl

But Harry s free to say what he likes. He is earning us own living and with that comes free man status.

I haven’t heard the podcast, just read about it in the Independent
“ Prince Harry. I listened to his appearance on the American podcast Armchair Expert, and am left convinced of one thing: Harry can be an important part of the conversation about male mental health.

It’s rare to hear young men talking openly and frankly about how they’ve suffered, or are suffering – and it’s exactly what is needed to tackle some of our biggest social crises: male suicide, which hit a two-decade high in 2019 in England and Wales; depression and toxic masculinity. Hearing someone like Prince Harry discuss the ways in which empathy, compassion, self-awareness (and therapy) have helped him deal with his emotions is a breath of fresh air.”

I think that’s a fair opinion, it’s just not one I agree with.

The only reason he has this platform is because of who his family are. Both he and Meghan continue to cash in on their royal titles while also using their platform to completely slur and vilify them.

They continually state they want a normal, private upbringing for Archie yet agree to do these interviews where they discuss their intimate, private lives openly, therefore opening themselves to scrutiny and press attention.

They were proven to be lying in the OW interview which makes their subsequent claims less believable.

Harry has never known poverty, and all the other desperate problems which come from growing up in poverty, neither has Meghan (she attended a very exclusive private school) yet they assume their voices to be representative of people who have only ever known poverty. They talk about their mental health problems from a position where they can pay to have private 24/7 access to a therapist if they so wished. They don’t know what it’s like being on months long waiting list for a once a month counselling appointment.

They have no idea what it’s like to have a bailiff knocking at your front door. What it’s like to have an eviction notice posted through your letter box. What it’s like to be a child who has to look after their younger siblings cook, clean, get them to school because your parent is in bed with depression, or drug use, or any other manner of illness that renders you unable to cope. To attend a bad school, in a bad neighbourhood and have very little chance of escaping the same fate as everyone else around you. The utter hopelessness so many people face.

It’s their complete self absorption and lack of knowledge about anything other than their perceived injustice which makes them increasingly repellant to people.

They need to stop talking and start listening. Stop making out they’re hard done to and take action to actually help those they claim to represent.

'don't think he says these things because its true.I think he says them because its what the American audience want to hear.'

It has become his usp, tragic persona dejected and rejected.

I'll ask again to those supporting him, how were they the family she never had and why did they want to be half in and half out if it was all so awful?

He didn't get his own way so is having a very public strop and sulk dressed up as trying to save others.

“ “Hatred is a form of projection – we’re not born to hate people,” he told podcast host Dax Shepard. “It manifests itself over a period of time and it comes from a place of unresolved pain– ultimately, there’s a source for it. There’s a reason you want to hate somebody else

Well, let’s hope that Harry is looking at what it is he’s projecting them, when he unleashes his hate for his family. Perhaps he could locate some of this compassion he likes to tell us he has, but which seems to exist in a very abstract way, rather than being demonstrated towards the people around him. He really has not an ounce of self-awareness.

And have we not learnt yet that celebrities (and, indeed, normal people on social media) who talk constantly about compassion and being kind almost invariably do so for entirely self-serving ends? The reality seems to be that they either turn out to be bullies or engage this rhetoric to stop people criticising them.

The more that I read on this thread of what Diana said the more I understand why Harry is so fucked up. How awful to be publicly called a spare. If he now believes the comment that he’s the Spencer, he is rejecting everything about his life.

Charles Spencer had little positive to say on the RF after Diana’s death. Idk if that changed in subsequent years.

As for William remaining silent, he was far more immersed in the RF family than Harry so I think Diana’s absence was perhaps easier to bear. He’s still not come out of this unscathed. The grandma cards published on Mother’s Day were difficult to read. What a heavy burden for those children. It would never have occurred to me ever to get my dd to make cards for my dad, who died when I was a child.

Fantastic post DeRigeurMortis

@Gorgeouslilgirl

“ “Hatred is a form of projection – we’re not born to hate people,” he told podcast host Dax Shepard. “It manifests itself over a period of time and it comes from a place of unresolved pain– ultimately, there’s a source for it. There’s a reason you want to hate somebody else. When it comes to trolling on social media I take a moment to look at it and say, okay, this is how it’s making me feel, but I flip it and say, okay, how’s your day going? What happened to you? And actually have some compassion for them. Which is hard when you’re on the receiving end of some vile, toxic abuse; but I try and think, what’s your goal? What made you come at me?”

Well this is the rub isn’t it?

They’re doing the exact same thing but probably amplified.

Thomas Markle sold stories and he’s cut out.
Harry and Meghan sell their story and they’re bravely speaking out.

Meghan made Kate cry and they want Kate to speak out to correct it to stop the trolling.
Kate made Meghan cry but Kate must not speak out because if she does she’s feeding the trolling. Despite Kate now being on the receiving end of the same sort of trolling.

They are treating people the exact same way they are “speaking out” about, but to an even greater scale, but expect some kind of sainthood for it.

A lot of people just don’t go for it.

'They are treating people the exact same way they are “speaking out” about, but to an even greater scale'

Why don't they see it?! It is just all so grubby and desperate.

If we accept that you can empathize with a fellow human being without them being your favourite person, does publically saying that your family have caused you mental health problems not risk causing them mental health problems?

There is only one logical way to interpret Harry's work in a favourable way, and that is that Charles, Camilla, William and Catherine don't have feelings, and Harry knows this, and realises that it's absolutely fine to talk about their lives and make audiences look at them in a new disparaging or critical way.

But otherwise, for reasons I personally don't understand, the reason must be that he knows he will be causing them pain and stress but doesn't feel sad about that.

For that to happen he must feel his right trump theirs. The likely cause of this attitude would be a grievance; that he's working on a tit for tat basis, and something big is at stake. My interpretation is that the big thing is his and Meghan's image. My insight would tell me he actually thinks that in not giving them their royal duties and HRH, the royals have robbed him of something. He feels grievously wronged and, in his eyes, is sticking up for himself. I suppose that's the reason for the comment about princesses - it actually matters to him that his family are important royals.

For me, bothering about royal status is shallow, so I won't be feeling sorry for Harry. Those reasons above are why I detest what he's doing, not because I don't feel for him as a fellow ' passenger on the way to the grave' as Dickens would have said.

Harry and Meghan have Sunshine Sachs, so we know they feel it's important to control their own publicity and how audiences perceive them, and still, they want to stop William and Catherine and Charles from controlling narrative: Harry knows he's giving them a headache.