Harry’s podcast

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Carrying on the discussion about Harry’s podcast.

'But otherwise, for reasons I personally don't understand, the reason must be that he knows he will be causing them pain and stress but doesn't feel sad about that.'

Exsctly. Public sore settling, jealousy, bitterness. Attacking and causing others great distress. Well done Haz. Sack the therapist 🙄

Is anyone in the US, are they feeling falling for this like excitable Gayle King is?

Score*

Harry is going to end up the new Prince Andrew

Mixing with the wrong people in his desire for money

And W&K will just sit back and watch

My sister and her family are in the US. The thinking she is hearing there is that they need their heads knocked together and told to grow up and stop whinging. And she is on the west coast.

@toffeebutterpopcorn

My sister and her family are in the US. The thinking she is hearing there is that they need their heads knocked together and told to grow up and stop whinging. And she is on the west coast.

That is exactly how I feel about it too.

he knows he will be causing them pain and stress but doesn't feel sad about that

He also knows they are unable to comment and retaliate or officially defend themselves, so he can basically say what he pleases.

I agree he has an axe to grind - and it's a pretty recent one as not so long ago Charles was walking M down the aisle like a father and H was saying M finally knows what real family is. Yada yada.

Very tone deaf. I wonder if their new ‘crowd’ are egging them on or rolling their eyes. They are very different from the film star types they seem to be knocking around with now. I assume their hangers ons are just telling them how wonderful they are.

And now Oprah said that she didn’t care about the celebs she interviewed. I assume they thought of her as a friend (wedding invite and all that) but I thought that she wasn’t really. It’s like media royalty Vs real royalty (you get to go to the events because of who you are/connections).

The British are embarrassing themselves on a massive scale with there seemingly irrational and unfair hatred of Harry and Meghan. There must be more to what’s really driving this hatred. Some say it’s racism and I think that might be true in some cases but I think the real reason is that Harry and Meghan have refused to be controlled by the British public. The public considered that they owned them and they turned around and said “nope”.

The thing the British public has not fully awaken to is that the British monarch is shrinking in size and status. It’s simply a curiosity rather than of any steal value to society. It has very little in common with the changing times. Worse, the Commonwealth which gave the British Monarchy some level of status abroad are fed up with the colonial and racist foundation of it. It’s a dying thing.

History books and stories will be told about Harry and Meghan. They are heralding a massive change and the funniest thing of all is that it was driven by the British public and the media. If they were more welcoming the British Monarchy would have seen a surge in popularity, though possibly not long term but Harry and Meghan would have given it some bounce. They would have stayed but the British are responsible for accelerating the downward spiral of the British Monarchy.

It should be noted that Katherine and William are very dull. They are only popular because of anti-Harry and Meghan. They are not popular for their own sake and in their own right. They are defined by what Harry and Meghan are not or not doing.

It is a sad state of affairs but it is ultimately what the British public inadvertently drove.
The fact is Harry and Meghan are very popular outside of the UK. The Commonwealth love them. The rest of the Royal Family are barely known or cared about outside the UK. In other words, it is only the British public that is caught up in this destruction of their own monarchy. Why? Apparently boy marries woman of his choice and that became the crime of the century for all sorts of petty and unfounded reasons.

Kingdoms rise and wane. The British monarchy is on its last legs. It’s tourist value is all it has.

The fact is Harry and Meghan are very popular outside of the UK.

I really don't think that's the case. I think H+M want to portray they are popular, but the reality is without their titles the vast majority wouldn't have a clue who they are.

The fact is Harry and Meghan are very popular outside of the UK. The Commonwealth love them. The rest of the Royal Family are barely known or cared about outside the UK.

I respect your opinion but I really really don't think this is even remotely true.

The greatest message you can communicate is to turn the other cheek. Even wars are started by tit for tat. Some group invaded another group's territory 200 years ago, so they have to get their own back by invading them in return. Hubby cheated on me, so I need to cheat on him in return. It's going to turn out badly if you follow tit for tat.

So my take has been that when Meghan said in her Oprah interview that she can't understand how the 'Firm' would think they wouldn't say their side of the story, she was saying: Of course we are going to do tit for tat - they started it . So it's in the territory of who started the feud all those years ago. This is not, in my view, an attitude that is going to spread world peace; it's going to do the opposite. So that's the reason, I can't but into the Meghan and Harry narrative about changing the world for the better, one step at a time. I wouldn't follow them as world influencers. I would follow Greta Thurburg because her narrative seems to be a consistent one.

Has anyone got a justification of Meghan and Harry's work which isn't based on 'the royal started it first' or ' others, like the Duke of Kent are just as bad , but you don't critisize them.'? I've not heard a justification of their position which isn't tit for that's all right if you didn't start it.

He has spoken about and been praised for discussing his mental health in public many times now. The OW interview and now this Podcast are straying into whinging territory because it seems like he's trying to get personal gripes out. I think he can say do as he likes to be honest but I completely get why people are critical. He has a platform to do so much good, stop going on about the RF. I'm not royalist, I don't want to hear about them. He could be a good travel/environmental presenter or something like that maybe.

They are not popular for their own sake and in their own right

This is absolutely where they have got it right and sadly H and M have failed to understand . For the monarchy to survive it must be possible for it to be ‘all things to all men’ the more bland and anonymous they are the more they are able to represent different things in the mind of different people and therefore maintain the popularity of ‘the institution’ . The more distinct their character and views the more likely there are to be people who take against them.

No one really knows anything about the Queen, she is just the coat hanger on which the mantel of monarchy is hung, William understands this I think, for the monarchy to persist it needs to be Everyman.

Harry and Meghan are just an entertaining but actually rather sad side show. They will keep drawing attention but in the meantime the monarchy will carry on as night follows day. I have no doubt that Charles will become King regardless, William probably, I think and hope that George will be spared.

The fact is Harry and Meghan are very popular outside of the UK. The Commonwealth love them.

"The Commonwealth"" is a big place. What evidence do you have that folks from Canada to India to Fiji 'love' them?

The rest of the Royal Family are barely known or cared about outside the UK.

Well, firstly, that is complete nonsense. The British royal family are the most famous family on earth. Vastly more famous than, say, the Swedish or Dutch royal family. Secondly, since they are in fact the British royal family, being sustained by British taxpayers, it scarcely matters what anyone outside of the UK thinks about them.

It should be noted that Katherine and William are very dull. They are only popular because of anti-Harry and Meghan. They are not popular for their own sake and in their own right.

I don't think they're 'dull', but actually being 'dull' isn't a bad thing for royals. We're not meant to be interested in them as people, but rather in the role they play.

And do you really think the Harkles are popular - if they are popular - outside of their royal connections? Nobody knew or cared who Meghan was before she got with Harry, and people only care about him because he's the queen's grandson.

They will be a footnote in history at best.

I quite like Harry & Meghan - so do most people I know. They are certainly more appealling than many of the RF. I really don't think the RF board on Mumsnet is reflective of most of the population, who are largely indifferent but vaguely supportive without needing to pick through every detail.

'I agree he has an axe to grind - and it's a pretty recent one as not so long ago Charles was walking M down the aisle like a father and H was saying M finally knows what real family is. Yada yada.'

Yes does he think it isn't all so glaringly obvious. They didn't want to be number 2's at KP, wanted to do their own woke stuff/shining lights etc etc, weren't allowed so decamped to the US to still apparently do a bit of saving but no boring opening leisure centres god forbid. Wasn't allowed to do that either so is now just sticking the boot in to get some rather petty revenge.

'The family she never had' Hazza. Make your mind up .

The fact is Harry and Meghan are very popular outside of the UK. The Commonwealth love them. The rest of the Royal Family are barely known or cared about outside the UK.

Yeah @Coolandclamy, no one outside the UK has ever heard of the Queen.

Despite the fact she’s also Head of State of counties like Australia, Canada and New Zealand (to name but a few).

History books and stories will be told about Harry and Meghan. They are heralding a massive change and the funniest thing of all is that it was driven by the British public and the media. If they were more welcoming the British Monarchy would have seen a surge in popularity, though possibly not long term but Harry and Meghan would have given it some bounce. They would have stayed but the British are responsible for accelerating the downward spiral of the British Monarchy.

But their behaviour is actually making the royals more popular amongst the British public.

It should be noted that Katherine and William are very dull.

They are dull, yes, but in the same way as the Queen is dull. Because they recognise that the monarchy is not about individuals, personalities and celebrity, but about the institution. Their engagements are about the people and charities they visit, not themselves. That’s the formula that works.

The monarchy has survived a lot worse than a pair of spoilt gobshites touting themselves around the celebrity Jeremy Kyle circuit.

I really don't think the RF board on Mumsnet is reflective of most of the population, who are largely indifferent but vaguely supportive without needing to pick through every detail.

I think a lot of people in RL were initially supportive when they made the announcement / plans to step back. However the constant media attention since then has definitely changed the tone somewhat. Now I find if they're ever mentioned in passing through friends or work colleagues, it's more with surprise and bewilderment, another interview, I thought they wanted privacy etc

@Lockupyourbiscuits

One thing I have noticed is that although Meghan has ghosted her father she hasn’t really criticised his parenting as far as I’m aware of - correct me if I’m wrong Harry has complained his father won’t take his calls , has cut him of financially and caused him an emotionally damaged upbringing-( saying it wasn’t Charles s fault doesn’t stop the finger from firmly pointing in his direction ) we haven’t even got to the Apple TV thing - so he could be on a roll

Meghan has stepped back from attacking her own family - her sister has even written a book
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The focus seems to be firmly on Charles and the faults in the royal family - ie Harry’s family

Harry's family are fair game as they can't respond. If they bad mouth Meghan's family they know the shit will hit the fan, the sister will mouth off to all and sundry, write another book etc. Harry's family have to remain silent and so they know there will be no recourse for them. Will be interesting to see how far they are willing to push it.

'The British are embarrassing themselves on a massive scale with there seemingly irrational and unfair hatred of Harry and Meghan'

We see their blatant hypocrisy and comment, that is not 'hate'

'It should be noted that Katherine and William are very dull'

You lose your moral high ground with your sermon about the Sussexes when you state that the Cambridges are 'dull'. By dull do you mean they do the boring duty and service jobs without appearing on gossip shows to cause distress and hurt?

@Coolandclamy

The British are embarrassing themselves on a massive scale with there seemingly irrational and unfair hatred of Harry and Meghan. There must be more to what’s really driving this hatred. Some say it’s racism and I think that might be true in some cases but I think the real reason is that Harry and Meghan have refused to be controlled by the British public. The public considered that they owned them and they turned around and said “nope”.

The thing the British public has not fully awaken to is that the British monarch is shrinking in size and status. It’s simply a curiosity rather than of any steal value to society. It has very little in common with the changing times. Worse, the Commonwealth which gave the British Monarchy some level of status abroad are fed up with the colonial and racist foundation of it. It’s a dying thing.

History books and stories will be told about Harry and Meghan. They are heralding a massive change and the funniest thing of all is that it was driven by the British public and the media. If they were more welcoming the British Monarchy would have seen a surge in popularity, though possibly not long term but Harry and Meghan would have given it some bounce. They would have stayed but the British are responsible for accelerating the downward spiral of the British Monarchy.

It should be noted that Katherine and William are very dull. They are only popular because of anti-Harry and Meghan. They are not popular for their own sake and in their own right. They are defined by what Harry and Meghan are not or not doing.

It is a sad state of affairs but it is ultimately what the British public inadvertently drove.
The fact is Harry and Meghan are very popular outside of the UK. The Commonwealth love them. The rest of the Royal Family are barely known or cared about outside the UK. In other words, it is only the British public that is caught up in this destruction of their own monarchy. Why? Apparently boy marries woman of his choice and that became the crime of the century for all sorts of petty and unfounded reasons.

Kingdoms rise and wane. The British monarchy is on its last legs. It’s tourist value is all it has.

I respectfully disagree. British are aware Monarchy is shrinking, most are aware and agree with Charles's wany to shrink it further.

The British embraced and welcomed M, their wedding was watched by millions and thousands lined the streets in Windsor (my area held street parties).

The Press coverage of them was positive (Kate had yrs of waity Katy press following her and her family), until they started moaning about their lot I that South Africa tour.

Being a Royal is a job (with loads of benefits), it's a diplomatic role and it's paid for by Taxpayers (even of it is only nominally). Just like being an MP if a public servant steps out of line they should be disciplined by their boss (the Queen).

British people only started disliking them (not hating) when they, a, flounce off in public, b, moved to celebrity Town when they wanted Privacy, c, slagged off their family in public, d, complained about their privileged life, and e, made it clear theyr disdain for the British public especially I declaring their wedding we the public paid for was just a 'spectacle'.

They've taken the British Public for fools and even those who had no opinion or cared about the Royals can see this. In my opinion it's made people care more for the proper Royals.

@Coolandclamy
Great post, wish I'd written it, agree with all you say totally.