Harry’s podcast

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Carrying on the discussion about Harry’s podcast.

I think the therapy Harry has received has focused on the wrong things. I think he needs therapy to come to terms with the fact his mother wasn’t perfect, to get angry with her. This is the only way he can finally grieve her passing. Putting a dead parent on a pedestal is not healthy. I speak from personal experience having lost a parent as a child.

Interesting. Where did you get hold of his therapist’s notes from?

@MintyMabel

I think the therapy Harry has received has focused on the wrong things. I think he needs therapy to come to terms with the fact his mother wasn’t perfect, to get angry with her. This is the only way he can finally grieve her passing. Putting a dead parent on a pedestal is not healthy. I speak from personal experience having lost a parent as a child.

Interesting. Where did you get hold of his therapist’s notes from?

Lol. Grey rock.

@Mummyoflittledragon

Much as I do not agree with Rousette on her take on Harry, I concur that two children brought up in the same household can have wildly different experiences. There are so many threads on this. Including the stately homes threads. I have also written about my childhood on here.

I was and am still treated very differently. Inferior. I suppose for different reasons Harry feels the same. But I do not agree that he had to air his grievances publicly. I think actually he is screaming out for help and doesn’t know where to go. It’s really sad. And it’s going to massively mess up his kids as so many others have commented.

I think the therapy Harry has received has focused on the wrong things. I think he needs therapy to come to terms with the fact his mother wasn’t perfect, to get angry with her. This is the only way he can finally grieve her passing. Putting a dead parent on a pedestal is not healthy. I speak from personal experience having lost a parent as a child.

Harry seems very bitter and parenting in bitterness can lead to striving to parent the opposite way rather than finding a new way. This does not translate into positive parenting. Therefore right now, I see nothing of his desire to break the cycle.

It seems very odd that both Meghan and now Harry have heavily and publicly praised their fathers and now are so deriding. The coincidence has not passed many by and when I had therapy, my therapist made a comment about the two most fucked up people in the room being drawn to one another. I think this happened with H&M. They recognised themselves in the other. I don’t think they’re good for one another. They each needed someone to nurture their souls. Not egg them on to scorn, humiliate and deride their respective families.

As for the RF, I don’t doubt they have many faults. However, they are actually grey rocking in the never complain, never explain. As is recommended on here.

Really insightful post

[quote Mummyoflittledragon]@CokeDrinker
I am not au fait with all the TM interviews has given. However a quick google suggests the Piers Morgan interview was in 2021. Meghan was vocal and cut off her father far before that.

People are comparing the interview TM gave prior to the wedding, which drove M to cut him off. Was there one or more before the wedding?

Bringing in any interviews TM gave after M cut him off ie after the wedding is a false comparison. And it is my understanding he was silent for a fair while until it was clear there would be no reconciliation.

Harry otoh hand has given 3 big interviews within about 3 months.

As for saying PH didn’t know his gf was dying when he did the interview. People have given information on other threads the second part of the interview was filmed later on and well into PP’s hospital stay. Saying PH know his 99yo gf was dying is disingenuous. He was 99 and in hospital. Few 99yos live long after leaving hospital and many don’t leave hospital alive. So this is a very fair comment.

And I know there are faults on both sides. However, I struggle to undertake how you can so vehemently defend them when Meghan cut off her dad when he was undergoing heart treatment and in hospital. Or PH when his gf was in hospital. He gave the go ahead for the broadcast and this latest podcast when his very elderly grandma is in mourning.[/quote]
@Mummyoflittledragon Meghan was not vocal at all until the OW interview. And even then, she made little reference to him. The only reference to her father, ever, appears to be a line about him not being able to attend the wedding. Apart from that, she has never said one word in public about her father, where as TM did GMB and various print and tv interviews. All prior to the wedding.

There has never been any confirmation that TM ever underwent heart surgery or was even admitted to hospital. Indeed he was seen shopping on the day he was supposed to be operated on. I suspect Meghan learned the truth about his 'condition' and that exacerbated things. Also you over-estimate PH's power. He had no power or authority to determine when an American conglomerate tv company broadcast the interview.

How can it be right to publicly accuse someone of something out of the blue when they may have no idea what they are supposed to have done

I think they probably have an idea but I think it is unfair to broadcast it publicly when the people you are accusing have no opportunity to put their side of things, as in the Meghan-Kate- bridesmaids debacle. As you say, their view of events may be very different. Neither may be entirely right or wrong.

However, I struggle to undertake how you can so vehemently defend them when Meghan cut off her dad when he was undergoing heart treatment and in hospital

Some elements of the press allege that TM's heart scare was made up so that he had a good reason to avoid attending the wedding after he was exposed having colluded with sham photos from which he gained financially. He was apparently spotted buying two Happy Meals from McDonald's and a chocolate milkshake and then buying dinner at KFC, two days after allegedly undergoing heart surgery.

And I must admit that I found the part of the UK documentary where TM said "Harry owes me, Meghan owes me, what I have been through I should be rewarded for" to be deeply unsavoury. They are not the words of a genuinely loving father.

I agree with Roussette that the longer Harry broadcasts interviews and
podcasts, the less attention there will be on Andrew and his alleged misdemeanours.

@CokeDrinker
Meghan was not personally vocal so maybe that was the wrong word. But there was stuff written in the press at the time and after about her cutting off her dad, I imagine. I didn’t follow any of this at the time so idk what was said. But I’m imagining her friends made comments, is that right? Then of course she got lawyers involved when her father released her letter to the DM.

So Meghan has had a voice even if she did not use her personal voice way before the OW interview.

Harry is now criticising the American constitution. He thinks the first ammendment is " bonkers". I can't see that opinion going down well in the States.

@Smashingorbs I think they probably have an idea but I think it is unfair to broadcast it publicly when the people you are accusing have no opportunity to put their side of things, as in the Meghan-Kate- bridesmaids debacle. As you say, their view of events may be very different. Neither may be entirely right or wrong.

Kate had the opportunity to correct the record when stories started that Meghan made her cry. That started the anti-Meghan press narrative. Kate and William refused to issue a statement or defend Meghan or correct the record in any way. They threw Meghan under the bus. Thus Meghan having the need to set the record straight. If only Kate and William had done the decent thing and clarified, to take the heat and abuse off Meghan, there would have been no need for Meghan to speak about it in the interview, and it wouldn't have existed as a story. I think you're victim-blaming here. Meghan wanted to correct the record and set the record straight, as any of us would want to. Kate threw Meghan under a bus and to the wolves. She is the instigator there, not a victim.

Freedom of religion - that one? Is that a dig at grandmas job as gods rep on earth?

@MargaretFraggle

I am massively more understanding of my own parents' actions now that I am parenting teens and young adults.

Me too

And me. My mother used to say that I would understand when I had teenagers of my own. She was right, and sadly isn’t here to hear me say so.

@SlowlyThenQuickly

Harry is now criticising the American constitution. He thinks the first ammendment is " bonkers". I can't see that opinion going down well in the States.

Perhaps he prefers the constitution of Chunga Chunga?

The first amendment protects freedom of speech as well as religion. It’s the freedom of speech or at least the supreme court’s interpretation of that right that he is critical of .

Throwing Kate under the bus during the OW interview when she has no right of reply
On the contrary!!! It was Kate that threw Meghan under the bus and allowed false rumours about Meghan to stand, instead of issue a quick, simple clarification.....leaving Meghan with no right of reply and no choice but to PUBLICLY correct the narrative. If it weren't for Kate throwing Meghan under the bus, Meghan wouldn't have had that story to tell, would she? Don't go turning it around to make Kate look like the saint and the wronged one. She wronged Meghan and threw her under the bus.

This seems a very biased POV. We have no idea that Kate threw anyone under the bus. The story may not have come from her and there is no way to know whether she did in fact cry. Just because Meghan did, does not mean that Kate didn't.

[quote CokeDrinker]**@Smashingorbs* I think they probably have an idea but I think it is unfair to broadcast it publicly when the people you are accusing have no opportunity to put their side of things, as in the Meghan-Kate- bridesmaids debacle. As you say, their view of events may be very different. Neither may be entirely right or wrong.*

Kate had the opportunity to correct the record when stories started that Meghan made her cry. That started the anti-Meghan press narrative. Kate and William refused to issue a statement or defend Meghan or correct the record in any way. They threw Meghan under the bus. Thus Meghan having the need to set the record straight. If only Kate and William had done the decent thing and clarified, to take the heat and abuse off Meghan, there would have been no need for Meghan to speak about it in the interview, and it wouldn't have existed as a story. I think you're victim-blaming here. Meghan wanted to correct the record and set the record straight, as any of us would want to. Kate threw Meghan under a bus and to the wolves. She is the instigator there, not a victim.[/quote]
W&K should make a public statement about a flower girl dress fitting?
Truly ridiculous.

@SlowlyThenQuickly

Harry is now criticising the American constitution. He thinks the first ammendment is " bonkers". I can't see that opinion going down well in the States.

Good. The sooner he discovers being rent a gob is a bad idea, the better for everyone.

W&K should make a public statement about a flower girl dress fitting?
Truly ridiculous.

If they made public statements about every silly story the tabloids publish, it would be a full-time job for someone. If you're as famous as they are, you're going to get shit written about you - some of it justified some of it not - but if you let every trivial story get to you, you're going to make yourself miserable.

Perhaps the truth that Harry is not emotionally able to face is that his mother died because of choices she made.

It is likely that he cannot face the enormous anger buried inside.
She chose to get in a car driven by a drunken driver and to not fasten her seat belt. Indeed she chose to go out late at night for this drive.

As a mother i know that the decisons I make about my actions will affect my child. She acted thinking only of herself.
It is very understandable that this is an emotional bomb that he is not ready yet to deal with.
So he carries on blaming other people. He was loved and wanted.

Ok, they why does it matter iff Meghan corrected the story? If it is irrelevant to K&W then it shouldn’t matter to them that she did that.

@ChiefInspectorParker

Kate had the opportunity to correct the record when stories started that Meghan made her cry.

Maybe it was true?

Are you saying Meghan was lying?

I wonder why you would think that 🧐

I don’t believe W&K have commented on the flower girl story at all.

"To me, the real problem is that 2nd son's are not really brought up to do any other occupation, apart from being a member of the RF."

Well I think that that's it.

I mean it's all very well a Monarch wanting their kids to support them, but what about the next Monarch?

I mean chances are that Charles & William would have wanted Harry to support them but what about Harry's children?

Although Princess Anne seems to have managed to support HMQ & bring her kids up to work & Andrew to an extent, so it is doable!

Ok, they why does it matter iff Meghan corrected the story? If it is irrelevant to K&W then it shouldn’t matter to them that she did that.

She didn't just correct the story. She did that in the context of complaining that people were maligning her and should have stood up for her. So her allegation was actually much more serious than just a silly spat that briefly upset people. She was suggesting she was victimised.