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Harry’s podcast

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smilesy · 13/05/2021 21:27

Carrying on the discussion about Harry’s podcast.

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Roussette · 14/05/2021 17:52

Great post Smashing although I do disagree about waiting until your DC are adults before judging your parents' parenting.

SueSaid · 14/05/2021 17:56

'Just no one mention Rose Hanbury to the the die-hard royalists. They'll get the vapours'

I thought we didn't believe unsubstantiated gossip?

I'm not a die hard royalist by a long shot but they have my sympathies with this awful situation of a damaged relative tediously lashing out because he didn't get his own way.

If the rf were so bad why did H say they were the family she didn't have and why did they want to the silly half in half out business?

Smashingorbs · 14/05/2021 17:57

@Roussette

Great post Smashing although I do disagree about waiting until your DC are adults before judging your parents' parenting.
Thanks Roussette.

I only say that because I am massively more understanding of my own parents' actions now that I am parenting teens and young adults.

But obviously if a child has suffered from neglectful or abusive parenting then that would be apparent from the start.

MargaretFraggle · 14/05/2021 17:59

I agree with that part, and the rest of your post smashing.

MargaretFraggle · 14/05/2021 18:00

I am massively more understanding of my own parents' actions now that I am parenting teens and young adults.

Me too Smile

PegPeople · 14/05/2021 18:01

Despite all of the above, the problem with blaming your parents in your thirties is that you haven't completed your own parenting yet and there's no guarantee that , despite your best efforts, your own DC won't find you lacking in some ways, or unexpected events won't upset family life . I think it's wiser to wait until your own DC are young adults before you judge your parents' performance, and certainly before you broadcast that judgement to the world at large.

I think that's a very valid and fair assessment and a very coherent post. I also completely agree with this sentiment. His child has only just turned 2, he's very premature in his confidence that his child won't find fault in decisions his they make as parents. I strongly suspect this will come back to bite him in the same way it does to those who are smug their babies sleep through from days old or never tantrum as toddlers.

CokeDrinker · 14/05/2021 18:01

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind

Bias against them? I've never commented in a nasty way about them on any thread- personal attacks are disgusting, to spew vitriol against complete strangers is vile.

My reasons for understanding why people don't hold them in high regard:

Massively expensive public wedding then decide to quit the royal family barely any time later

The hypocrisy of cutting off her father for talking to the press and then doing exactly the same with regards to his own family- at a time when his GF was dying

Throwing Kate under the bus during the OW interview when she has no right of reply

I don't think comments like 'nobody asked me how I was' were particularly well judged on the SA tour

Lecturing on climate change/vaccines/whatever it happens to me that day, during a global pandemic when people are suffering terribly- from their massive comfortable mansion, whilst wearing ludicrously expensive designer clothing and jewellery

Yes but you have never addressed any of those nasty comments. You only chose to call a defender out.

Your reasons seem very petty almost grasping at straws to me;

Massively expensive public wedding then decide to quit the royal family barely any time later
The abuse of Meghan escalated after. So it's her fault that she was abused so badly and had to flee? She couldn't help that.

The hypocrisy of cutting off her father for talking to the press and then doing exactly the same with regards to his own family- at a time when his GF was dying
You cannot compare the two. Meghan gave one public interview, her father posed for tabloid photos, did interviews, even with her most obsessed hater - Piers Morgan. Thomas also was not a victim of racism nor an unwilling victim of the vicious press, nor did he experience what Meghan experienced within the royal family. And he did not know his GF was dying when they shot the interview.

Throwing Kate under the bus during the OW interview when she has no right of reply
On the contrary!!! It was Kate that threw Meghan under the bus and allowed false rumours about Meghan to stand, instead of issue a quick, simple clarification.....leaving Meghan with no right of reply and no choice but to PUBLICLY correct the narrative. If it weren't for Kate throwing Meghan under the bus, Meghan wouldn't have had that story to tell, would she? Don't go turning it around to make Kate look like the saint and the wronged one. She wronged Meghan and threw her under the bus.

I don't think comments like 'nobody asked me how I was' were particularly well judged on the SA tour
Perhaps because people weren't used to that raw emotion, especially the uptight British people. It's clear she hadn't thought about it, and it was an automatic and raw response to a question, and she was genuinely touched and affected. If people's pain is not 'well judged' by other human beings, then those other human beings need to take a good hard and long look at themselves.

Lecturing on climate change/vaccines/whatever it happens to me that day, during a global pandemic when people are suffering terribly- from their massive comfortable mansion, whilst wearing ludicrously expensive designer clothing and jewellery
You are throwing everything in together. The vaccine DIRECTLY RELATES TO the global pandemic. And last I heard, people still suffer hardship during a pandemic, the world and people don't cease to have experiences. Also you make the mistake of thinking that having wealth means one isn't affected by something and has no experiences, or no loss or pain. It's a very immature, petty and callous attitude to have, as if wealth somehow inoculates a human being from trauma.

I also note, as others have elsewhere, about the so-called "ludicrously expensive designer clothing (mostly gifted by designers) and jewellery" that..... the Queen ALSO gives speeches about various issues, while ALSO wearing expensive designer clothing (that she only wears once), broaches and jewellery, but would you ever level the same thing at the QUEEN?

Of course you wouldn't. And you and I both know it.

Genuinely; I have yet to see one (1) valid reason to be against M/H. Not even one. The only 'arguments' I've seen have been desperately nit-picky and hypocritical (ie attacking Meghan re her charity work while wearing expensive clothes and jewellery, as if the Queen doesn't do the same, or Kate, or Anne, or etc etc).

sashagabadon · 14/05/2021 18:05

Maybe Archie will do a tell all interview with an elderly Oprah in 20 years time criticising his father’s decision to take him away from the U.K. and his extended family without his consent in January 2020. Harry has no idea how Archie might feel about that life changing decision when he grows up and might feel robbed of the life he could have had.
Children often want the opposite of what they get.

MmeLaraque · 14/05/2021 18:11

@Frezia

Yeah, that bit about sharing his story to help others is a bit funny. They're doing these interviews for themselves - I'm perfectly OK with that, but making it to be some sort of public service is blatant PR.
Sharing one's own experiences is advocated by mental health groups and professionals as a way to help others. I hope that those suffering from MH issues don't read the nastiness in places like this and take that as a reason to remain silent. See here for example: www.headsup.org.au/your-mental-health/telling-your-story#:~:text=Benefits%20of%20sharing%20your%20story,health%20condition%20to%20take%20action.

Benefits of sharing your story
Sharing your story can:

**show that people can continue to work and manage mental health conditions.

**encourage others to speak openly about their experience with a mental health condition.

**help others experiencing a mental health condition to take action.

**encourage your employer to make workplace mental health a priority.

Angiedx · 14/05/2021 18:15

Having gone down that rabbit hole I really can’t see that Harry has said anything worse than what his father said about his own parents.

I think Charles was far more disparaging. That didn’t mean he didn’t love his father or later accept his failings were not intentional, he was very negative about both his parents in his Dimbleby biography

Would he really then be so surprised that his son has his own take on his parenting. He was apparently his sons teacher in this area.

By the same token Archie will likely have his own opinion on Harry’s parenting in years to come

MmeLaraque · 14/05/2021 18:16

@sashagabadon

Maybe Archie will do a tell all interview with an elderly Oprah in 20 years time criticising his father’s decision to take him away from the U.K. and his extended family without his consent in January 2020. Harry has no idea how Archie might feel about that life changing decision when he grows up and might feel robbed of the life he could have had. Children often want the opposite of what they get.
Yeah, he could have stayed in the UK, watched them destroy his mother's mental health, and hound her to death, whilst watching his father's paternity continually questioned by tabloids and their followers. All whilst knowing that the RF would never do a damned thing to prevent any of it.
Sylvan92 · 14/05/2021 18:19

What is Harry’s story though? What mistakes does he think his parents made? To the outsider, probably the worst aspect of his childhood was the amount of dirt from his parents’ marriage being in the public domain but his mother was as bad as his father in that respect. Why does she escape blame?

smilesy · 14/05/2021 18:20

No one is saying that Harry shouldn’t share his MH experiences. What is being questioned is why he is suddenly blaming his father and grandparents publicly in a podcast. They may see things differently and may not have had any discussion with him about this. How can it be right to publicly accuse someone of something out of the blue when they may have no idea what they are supposed to have done. How will that affect their mental health?

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The3rdMrsdeWinter · 14/05/2021 18:21

@KarensChoppyBob

Just no one mention Rose Hanbury to the the die-hard royalists. They'll get the vapours.
Why would you mention her?
CokeDrinker · 14/05/2021 18:28

@smilesy

No one is saying that Harry shouldn’t share his MH experiences. What is being questioned is why he is suddenly blaming his father and grandparents publicly in a podcast. They may see things differently and may not have had any discussion with him about this. How can it be right to publicly accuse someone of something out of the blue when they may have no idea what they are supposed to have done. How will that affect their mental health?
Charles has already acknowledged how his upbringing affected him and his parenting, it's not new, so why are you attacking Harry for speaking about it casually in a one minute sound byte when Charles has done it? Harry wasn't even disrespectful, nothing he said was that bad. He was telling his story and history. He said nothing wrong!
MoChridhe · 14/05/2021 18:29

@sashagabadon

Maybe Archie will do a tell all interview with an elderly Oprah in 20 years time criticising his father’s decision to take him away from the U.K. and his extended family without his consent in January 2020. Harry has no idea how Archie might feel about that life changing decision when he grows up and might feel robbed of the life he could have had. Children often want the opposite of what they get.
Or Archie will be relieved that his mother was not hounded to death in a foreign country by media, all egged on by his philandering uncle. He will have his mother to see him to adulthood.
milveycrohn · 14/05/2021 18:35

Actually, I think there IS a failure of upbringing, but not necessarily in the way Harry means (Has he elaborated on what he believes his parents did wrong?).
To me, the real problem is that 2nd son's are not really brought up to do any other occupation, apart from being a member of the RF.
This applies to Andrew and Edward, and if we go further back then also Prince Michael of Kent. (Recent TV exposure).
Females were just expected to marry...., but obviously, this is also out of date.
Edward did try some TV stuff, etc however, I think they are not really expected to trade on their royal status, so this presents a problem.
I think Harry and Meghan expect to earn much more in the US with all their deals with Netflix and Spotify and probably will.

smilesy · 14/05/2021 18:37

I am not “attacking” anyone. I am saying that I do not think it is appropriate to talk about your relationships on a podcast. That is my opinion.

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Berniesknittedmittens · 14/05/2021 18:42

I will never understand how people can blindly believe H&M.

There is 3 sides to every story: A's 'truth', B's 'truth' and the actual truth.
It's highly commendable they are discussing mental health, however he needs to employ someone who will help him get his stories straight. He contradicts himself especially in interviews.

AlfonsoTheTerrible · 14/05/2021 18:47

@Roussette

Oh yes. Andrew must privately urge M&H to bring out something new! Let him make the most of it, he has until July to enjoy his life without headlines... but then the shit might hit the fan for him!
That is one of the most peculiar posts I've read on this thread and there certainly is no shortage of them.
GrownUpBeans · 14/05/2021 18:54

@Onetraumaatatimeplease

'See I think that's part of his problem, he has been treated as a spare part. Even his own feted mother called him a spare publicly. I think it boils down to jealousy, he hasn't got the same role in life that William has'

Agree. And in some ways it's a very understandable feeling. Treating siblings fairly is important for a healthy family but it's impossible for the Royals. But discussing this on talk shows would be tricky.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/05/2021 18:56

One would hope normal adjusted people would not stuff their children up so that they have to resort to going on tv

I agree about the "stuffing up" bit, but not the TV. Nobody has to shoot their mouth off in the media, and as I've said before it rarely ends well for any of the RF when they do this

(Come to that it sometimes ends badly for the interviewers too, as Martin Bashir seems to be finding ...)

Mummyoflittledragon · 14/05/2021 18:58

@CokeDrinker
I am not au fait with all the TM interviews has given. However a quick google suggests the Piers Morgan interview was in 2021. Meghan was vocal and cut off her father far before that.

People are comparing the interview TM gave prior to the wedding, which drove M to cut him off. Was there one or more before the wedding?

Bringing in any interviews TM gave after M cut him off ie after the wedding is a false comparison. And it is my understanding he was silent for a fair while until it was clear there would be no reconciliation.

Harry otoh hand has given 3 big interviews within about 3 months.

As for saying PH didn’t know his gf was dying when he did the interview. People have given information on other threads the second part of the interview was filmed later on and well into PP’s hospital stay. Saying PH know his 99yo gf was dying is disingenuous. He was 99 and in hospital. Few 99yos live long after leaving hospital and many don’t leave hospital alive. So this is a very fair comment.

And I know there are faults on both sides. However, I struggle to undertake how you can so vehemently defend them when Meghan cut off her dad when he was undergoing heart treatment and in hospital. Or PH when his gf was in hospital. He gave the go ahead for the broadcast and this latest podcast when his very elderly grandma is in mourning.

myrtleWilson · 14/05/2021 19:00

Suggesting that Prince William would encourage the press to hound Meghan to death is an awful statement to make.

Mummyoflittledragon · 14/05/2021 19:02

@MargaretFraggle

Good post *@Mummyoflittledragon*
Thanks MargaretFraggle.

What a sad state of affairs. I hope time will be a healer.