Caroline Flack: her life and death

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Starting a thread in readiness for 9pm.

@RoseRedRoseBlue

Sorry, edit was the wrong term. I meant to say the included material was very selectively picked, and the entire Harry Styles affair was glossed over. That certainly deserved more scrutiny.

Oh yes. I think it was because of the Harry Styles scandal that I first heard of her.

@RickiTarr I am similar to you, I have never actually watched anything she presented but was always aware of her. I think there was an element of hypocrisy in the criticism of the media and exploitative nature of reality TV, when in truth, it is oxygen to so many of these people.

Very sad that she or anyone sees their only way out as taking their own life.
CPS took it too far, no need for a public trial whatsoever and I think she feared the police body cam footage. Everything else had been seen, the bloody sheets, his head... etc.
He was in it for the publicity in my opinion. I don’t rate him in the slightest, the comments he made following his call to the police. Disgraceful.
I’ve not seen the documentary. Don’t know how anyone can make a diagnosis or presumption of BPD unless they’re a psychiatrist.

“@Sidewalksue I am sure she would have worked again, look at the furore at Ant McPartlin’s drink drive conviction....never ever referred to now and he is back in prime time TV” - I’m not so sure.

RIP Caroline

[quote RoseRedRoseBlue]@RickiTarr I am similar to you, I have never actually watched anything she presented but was always aware of her. I think there was an element of hypocrisy in the criticism of the media and exploitative nature of reality TV, when in truth, it is oxygen to so many of these people.[/quote]
They’re obviously getting viewers from somewhere. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Suzi888, how did the CPS take it too far? It was a perfectly reasonable charge.

CPS took it too far, no need for a public trial whatsoever and I think she feared the police body cam footage. Everything else had been seen, the bloody sheets, his head... etc.

Charging for DV was absolutely correct. However once those bloody sheets pictures were leaked (by the POLICE for cash presumably ) the whole thing should have been halted. No way would she have had a fair trial after that (and most of it was her blood, we now learn).

Charging for DV was absolutely correct.

They wouldn't have though if she was joe public.

@userxx

Charging for DV was absolutely correct.

They wouldn't have though if she was joe public.

There might have been an element of them being scared not to follow their own policy because she was in the public eye, but it is Met policy to pursue all DV cases where there is sufficient evidence, regardless of the victim’s support or otherwise.

If anything the mystery is that she admitted it all in police interview and then was surprised to be charged.

I didn't realise she could sing.

I only knew her from the X factor and love island but to be honest I didn't like her on either. Im not keen on hyper in your face people. As soon as she and Olly started to present I didn't watch.

They had said once she was sacked from love island she lost all the hard work she had done over the past 20 years. I thought surely LI wasn't her idea? She didn't produce it? I didn't understand that bit.

@userxx an attack of that nature would absolutely have been charged, Joe Public or not.

[quote RoseRedRoseBlue]@userxx an attack of that nature would absolutely have been charged, Joe Public or not.[/quote]

So why was the person I know not charged ? Her partner spent 6 hours in surgery.

@RickiTarr

CPS took it too far, no need for a public trial whatsoever and I think she feared the police body cam footage. Everything else had been seen, the bloody sheets, his head... etc.

Charging for DV was absolutely correct. However once those bloody sheets pictures were leaked (by the POLICE for cash presumably ) the whole thing should have been halted. No way would she have had a fair trial after that (and most of it was her blood, we now learn).

I believe it was the boyfriend who sent those pictures to a female friend and she leaked them. Not the police.

@userxx given that I don’t know your friend, or the circs of that case, I have no idea. What I can say though is that I have seen successful ABB convictions based on far less than the Flack case. There is a huge push at the moment to tackle DV. In addition, it would seem she used a weapon, which aggravates it substantially.

I watched this last night and I came away with these thoughts :
Why didn't her mother address CF mh in her teen years ? It seemed to me that she simply accepted her daughter's erratic moods and extreme pain when faced with rejection. I also felt that the only regret that she verbalised was not to have had more holidays together, she didn't seem to mention that she wished that she was more helpful rather then enabling.
Why didn't her agent have a duty of care? Why wasn't CF helped to get over the social media addiction, why wasn't her agent or her PA vetting the things that she could read about herself online, if they knew how damaging it was for her? Why nobody suggested a short career break to go away and to look after her MH?
It seems to me that people were happy to make money through her , but become very non involved when the pressure of it all was affecting her.

@GabsAlot and @OverTheRubicon and all those pp who say such a documentary wouldn't be made about a male even if had had mh problems.

It's sad for her family and noone deserves trolling but I find the whole media circus surrounding this deeply uncomfortable.

@thecatmother I agree.

She had been displaying these mental health issues for most of her life, yet they appeared to accept it and no effort seemed to be made to get her help. I'm surprised it was never picked up on that she may have something like eupd, especially given her reactions to break ups, the overdoses etc. They were soon to diagnose me with that based on my emotional dysregulation and I hadn't done things as CF had. Seemed very sad she wasn't given support to manage her emotions healthily.
I also felt the programme was missing the ending of her life and how she wasn't taken to hospital the night before etc. It was focused on her childhood and mental health issues that her family themselves said she wanted it kept private.

@Namechange1991x and @thecatmother you both make really important points, this programme had a lot of missing content.

The chances are they did try to get her help.
Its not easy to make someone accept help for mental health issues, especially once over 18.
The person needs to want the help.

@ElMacchiato true, but what about all the times she was in hospital with overdoses and cut wrists? If these were classed as suicide attempts then where was the support? And the ambulance that was at hers the night before? Sometimes people don't know they're unwell or won't admit it, and that's when it is necessary to intervene on their behalf.

[quote Namechange1991x]@ElMacchiato true, but what about all the times she was in hospital with overdoses and cut wrists? If these were classed as suicide attempts then where was the support? And the ambulance that was at hers the night before? Sometimes people don't know they're unwell or won't admit it, and that's when it is necessary to intervene on their behalf.[/quote]
That's exactly my thoughts on this! When a person is so chronically unwell but is performing on a such high level under constant pressure of media scrutiny we can presume that they are not aware that they need help.

Well the extreme form of intervention is when someone is sectioned, which arguably should have happened .

@ElMacchiato

Well the extreme form of intervention is when someone is sectioned, which arguably should have happened .

Something like this or a private, closed, rehab style facility: without any outside interruption, including Internet. I'm sure there are plenty of places like this where a celebrity can go and get better in a confidential environment.

@ElMacchiato I imagine she will have been deemed to have capacity, hence no section. From what her family were saying, it would seem that she had long held a fascination for suicide.

there is only so much you can do for someone. she refused to go to hospital the night before what else could anyone do

All of those criticising her family for not doing more to help her have clearly never had a close relative with a chronic and at times severe mental illness.
You cannot make someone get help, unless they are deemed to have a judgement impairing illness such as schizophrenia. People have to accept they have an illness and want the help themselves. Her mother and sister could not have watched over her constantly for 20+ years they also had their own lives to live.
She was an adult and people with BPD ( if thats
what she had) are rarely sectioned and if they are its very usually short term. Detaining people with this diagnosis has often been counter productive and not helpful to the individual in the longer term.
So easy from a distance to say what should have been done but Caroline Flack was an adult and had responsibility for her own mental health.