Are your children’s vaccines up to date?

Set a reminder

Please or to access all these features

Step-parenting

Connect with other Mumsnetters here for step-parenting advice and support.

I was a Big Evil SM :(

199 replies

size4riggerboots · 27/05/2015 03:11

Well, I feel like I was anyway.

Since I last posted here over well over a year ago ( backstory here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/stepparenting/1846550-Hi-New-here-just-trying-to-figure-a-few-things-out-advice-welcomed ) things have been going well. I've been away at work for 253 days out of 365 (I just did my tax return), we bought a house, which DS loves too. She is now 8 and a half, and we still have a great relationship, still struggling with knife and fork, can read and tell the time but doesn't want to bother so says it's too hard. Plus, DP and Ex have got on well for the longest time ever, even now things are going tits up!

FYI I have been at sea since just after Christmas, and came home for 6 weeks leave at the end of April, so we've had 2 weekends with her.

1st weekend: So here's the issue: she sucks her thumb. (Ok, so she also needs asking 15 times before she does something and flies into a tantrum when she doesn't get her own way but we're mostly competent at dealing with those things). I realise that there are people who will say it should be stopped because of how it may affect her teeth, and those who will say let her do it it's a great comfort, and I understand both of those view points. Personally I think it encourages her to be babyish (there a multitude of other babyish habits, but that's for another time), and is possibly contributing to her being bullied at school. For these reasons, her mum is also of the opinion that she needs to stop sucking it, but her greatest weapon seems to be the threat of removal of the all hallowed i-pad. (Knowledge gained in the conversation I had with Ex herself, after the event..)

I (and DP) believe in the power of consequences, (frankly if I thought for a second I would ever in a million years get away with a short sharp smack across her bum, I would [never did any lasting damage to me and I damn well remembered the lesson]) so I threatened her with something much worse. Pepper sauce on the thumb. She looked suitably terrified and the thumb was absent for a while, over the rest of the weekend I continued to try this and it worked pretty well. She had a sleepover with 2 friends at our house (Ninja surprise attack of "Dad, can they sleep over?!?!?!" ....."Errrrr, if their mum doesn't mind" sigh) and was knackered on sunday morning. And when she's tired the thumb automatically goes into the mouth... Now, after telling a child the same thing over and over again every minute or so for half an hour (this may be an exaggeration but it felt like it) I was getting pretty damn annoyed. And I got the pepper sauce out of the cupboard.

Meanwhile her dad is also getting frustrated, for the same reasons as me, we're all in the kitchen at MIL's house, so she's talking too, and (Oh the power of hindsight and analysis) poor wee DS is getting just as fed up with it all as we are, and she's tired, so the thumb just keeps popping into that mouth.

I wasn't thinking like that at the time though. I felt like she was just doing it to piss us off. So I did it.

She was (understandably) not happy at this turn of events. However, the fireworks only lit when she licked it. I put tabasco-frikkin-sauce on her thumbs, how frikkin dumb am I?!? I realized immediately that I had gone too far, but hindsight, even a second after, is too late. Of course she rubbed her eyes then because she was crying. Oh god I felt bad. We washed her eye and then MIL swept her away from me for cuddles and comfort (she was [again, understandably] pissed off at me right then). When we'd all calmed down, I did apologize to DS and we had cuddles and then lunch and then the long drive north to return her to her mum. She called her mum from the car and I was surprised (and relieved) to note that she did not mention the incident. I decided that I ought to admit my mistake/fuck up to Ex at the handover and when I had she said that she'd rather I didn't do that I agreed and apologized again, deeply aware of how well within possibility it was that she could have thrown a huge fit at me (heck if the shoes were on the other feet..). I got hugs and kisses as we said goodbye (from DS, not ex!)

2nd weekend: So, it kinda felt like we'd gotten away with it. We had a great weekend, on friday I had a meal ready and waiting when they got in, bedtime not too unreasonable, saturday we visit my sister who has a toddler, DS and my nephew get on like a house on fire, DS is asking questions about whether she'd be part of mine and my sisters family if DP and I got married, lots of hugs all round... Sat eve we have the usual phone call to mum/ex and she comes up with the idea of a treat if DS only has to be told to stop sucking her thumb say, 3 times in a day. More than that, no treat. Super idea, says I, lets try that, and because she's been so busy and engaged all day we've barely had to tell her to take her thumb out so she gets a small chocolate egg and everyone is happy :) Sunday, I'm making my first ever roast leg of lamb (It was home grown, I come from a family of sheep farmers, this is as close as I come to religion) MIL comes over to us, they all watch a film, I cook in a happy domestic bliss... Watching TV being the second primary trigger for unconscious thumb sucking, it's popping into her mouth more and more, I'm keeping away from this though, it's her Dads job to deal with this one, I overstepped the mark once, not going to risk it again. So last weekend DP came up with the idea of masking tape around her thumbs, and decides to try this now. And actually, it works.

It worked up until the point that DS was told that, now the film was over she needed to practice her lines. (She wants to audition for a drama school). Didn't want to practice her lines. Gets out her phone and calls mum. Mum says she should do her lines. Suddenly the masking tape on her thumbs is the most awful thing ever, she can't get it off and she won't let anyone take it off because she's scared it will hurt. I do my very best, I'm on my knees, calm and soft voiced, offering to help but she doesn't want any of it, so I suggest that she needs to calm down and then tell us what she wants because we can't actually understand what she's saying, and maybe she should go and sit in her room while she calms down. She calmed down a lot after that, (perhaps because not being seen while you're being upset is not as effective). So after that's all cleared up, we have a lovely lunch (she ate everything and asked for seconds which is high praise indeed) and in the car journey north I only have to tell her three times to take her thumb out (so no treat..). Handover is happy happy, DS is excited about the prospect of next time we have her which will be a bit longer (half term) and we can go visit my folks in idyllic ...shire, (she LOVES the dog), Ex and I have a genuinely fun chat about DS's "boyfriend"... everything seems pretty peachy.

And now DS is apparently refusing to come down to see us, to the point where she would rather stay in her grandparents caravan than go home with her mum because "Daddy doesn't know where to find her and can't come and take her away". So suddenly we're at the point where Ex is saying she's going to break the court order, and we're going to have to pay for mediation, play therapy and generally jump through hoops again so that DP can see his child. The fact that Ex is still being calm and friendly and genuinely perplexed as to the origin of this behaviour is good, but I don't trust her parents not to be muttering things into DS's ear (their dislike of DP is intense, vitriolic and longstanding. In the years before DS was born, when DP and Ex were together and we were all friends she told us herself on may occasions how manipulative they were). However, I'm deeply worried that one of the driving factors may be that we've gone too hard on her about the thumb sucking thing and she now thinks that we're going to demonise her about it. The fact that she won't talk to her mum about it either suggests to me that perhaps we've almost gone too far on providing a united front...

It could be something completely different, but I really needed to vent all that anyway. I apologise for the ridiculously long post and thank you for bearing with me if you got this far.

OP posts:
Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
Ledkr · 27/05/2015 09:51

Lots of examples on the net.

AGirlCalledBoB · 27/05/2015 09:51

It might not be the actual sauce that is abusive but the fear. iamadaftcoo i don't think parents on here give their child peanuts as a punishment. The fact is I see it as this poor child is sucking her thumb out of habit and for comfort. She then got a very harsh punishment of some pain and discomfort which Her stepmum gave out, when it was not her place to do so. What did op have to do, hold her step daughter down?
She much be fearful now every time she is around op in case she sucks her thumb, which will of course make her want to do it now.

I am not a hysteria but op would not be around my child with her attitude, no way.

FiftyShadesOfSporn · 27/05/2015 09:51

The cutlery and food issues, not being able to tell the time, disorganisation and need for continual prompting, along with the reading, make her a twin for my dd. Dyslexia and Dyspraxia are at the root of the issue there.

I haven't read the whole thread[s] but ... has your dsd been assessed?

NickiFury · 27/05/2015 09:52

"It's mean but not abusive". Well that's ok then Hmm

iamadaftcoo · 27/05/2015 09:54

I'm only giving my opinion. My opinion is that this was not abuse. It was not a punishment I would use. It's not a punishment I think is right to use. I think the OP is right to feel guilty about doing it and if I were this child's mother I would be livid, but I do not believe that it was abusive.

I see this quite frequently all the time on MN, with poor parenting decisions being labelled abuse when they aren't. I can tell you one thing: abusive parents don't post on internet forums asking for advice. They don't work that way.

iamadaftcoo · 27/05/2015 09:55

Nicki read what I'm saying. I never said it was ok. I just said wasn't abusive.

TheMummalo · 27/05/2015 09:56

I haven't read the whole thread[s] but ... has your dsd been assessed?

I was thinking something similar Fifty!

I have Aspergers and some of the description of the childs behaviours rang bells for me.

HoldenCaulfield80 · 27/05/2015 09:57

I stopped reading after you put pepper sauce on a child's thumb to stop her sucking it because that's a fucking awful thing to do and I'd nuclear if ANYONE did this to my DD.

Did it work? Has she stopped sucking her thumb? That definitely showed her, well done OP.

Sansarya · 27/05/2015 10:00

DD? as in my actual daughter? Ha! I'm as likely to have a child as I am to go to the moon!

Well thank fuck for that. Honestly, what kind of arsehole puts tabasco sauce on a kid's thumb?

Momagain1 · 27/05/2015 10:05

Stepmother or no, considering how little you see her, she hardly knows you. She has seen you a handful of days in the past year.,and here you come disciplining her using torture. There were other adults present, you shouldnt have even been involved. You havent proved you will follow through on threats, you have proved you have no parenting skills at all, but a desperate need to prove you are the one in power. That you even make such over the top threats is a clear indicator that your parenting skills are the pits. You arent a Big Evil SM, you are a crap adult altogether.

NickiFury · 27/05/2015 10:05

Well I disagree. To hurt a small child like that who has no hope whatsoever of stopping you because you're way bigger than her is abusive. OP may not have realised that her punitive attitude towards her step child is abusive but that doesn't mean that it isn't and it's good that she posted here and got told.

Branleuse · 27/05/2015 10:10

you put chilli on her thumb :(

My dd is a thumb sucker and I want her to stop, but its not as easy as that. You have been physically violent to her to try and discourage her from comforting herself??? Wow. This is SO not ok

SurlyCue · 27/05/2015 10:16

I find it interesting that you expressed a wish to smack (hurt) this child and then went on to put tabasco sauce on her thumb causing a great deal of pain when she rubbed her eyes. Thats fucking sinister. You knew you couldnt get away with hurting her outright so you got devious and thought up another way. Thats quite sick. This child needs protected from you.

Fwiw if anyone came to my door and told me they'd put tabasco sauce on my child I'd put them through the fucking door. There'd be no way in hell they'd be going anywhere near you again.

SurlyCue · 27/05/2015 10:20

I can tell you one thing: abusive parents don't post on internet forums asking for advice.

Very naive.

Some will because they wont realise they are being abusive. Some will because they get a kick out of the responses they get. Some will because they know they are abusive and want to stop. Some will because they expect to be vindicated (and some are!)

Reginafalangie · 27/05/2015 10:22

I doubt you will post again OP but I hope to god you are reading the replies.

YOU are ABUSIVE.

YOU express a desire to HURT this child.

YOU should NOT be around children.

YOU need to be aware that if this child tells a teacher/carer/therapist what you have done you will be arrested and questioned. It is very likely that this man will not be allowed to see his child.
Do the right thing leave this relationship as caring for a child is not something you should be doing.

Georgethesecond · 27/05/2015 10:29

Hmm, this has kicked off.

I think you are overestimating your duty to discipline this girl or to modify her behaviour. She sees you relatively infrequently, away from home. Sure - you and your DP need not to undermine what mum is doing regarding the thumb sucking, but I don't think you are in a position actively to make any progress on it.

I think you should reinforce the message by telling her not to suck her thumb. But accept that she is likely still to do it for a while yet, and especially when she is away from home. So you can show that mum is right, IYSWIM, but not actually expect her to stop yet. Even if she does start to kick this habit she is likely to do it more when she is with you, I think.

But that doesn't help with her refusal to visit. can you go and stay near her and see her that way instead?

iamadaftcoo · 27/05/2015 10:29

Some will because they wont realise they are being abusive.

that is naive. All abusers know what they're doing is abusive.

NickiFury · 27/05/2015 10:34

Can I ask what exactly you do in your work with abused children iama?

It's nonsensical to say that ALL abusers know what they're doing and it worries me that you think this considering the job that you do.

duplodon · 27/05/2015 10:41

I feel sick reading this.

You are abusive and need help. I wish you well in getting it.

SurlyCue · 27/05/2015 10:41

iama im not sure if your work has given you a skewed perception of what abuse looks like and how abusers think/work but i can assure you there are people who do not realise that what they are doing is abusive.

iamadaftcoo · 27/05/2015 10:44

there are people who do not realise that what they are doing is abusive

They may well be able to make you believe they don't know. They do know.

I know this from working with child abusers and also with perpetrators of domestic violence/emotional abuse. They. All. Know.

QueenofallIsee · 27/05/2015 10:44

I don't get why you are so gung ho about disciplining your partners daughter - you barely ever see her, you are NOT her step mother you are just her dads girlfriend that pops in a few times a year. Why on earth would you want to spend your precious shore leave addressing thumbsucking of all things? Is it really that annoying to you when you are only back a few weeks a year? you must be very easily irritated

The girls parents clearly annoy you and you consider their approach to be ineffectual to raising a child. but she is not yours to raise and you don't get to do it your way. Stop pissing about playing at parenting and leave them to it, enjoy your leave, go back to the ship and when you come home remember that it is not your job to address the short comings of everyone around you while you are back. You sound like a pain in the arse at best and a giant bitch at worst

duplodon · 27/05/2015 10:44

And absolutely lots of people who abuse think that what they are doing is right.

Millions of children have been abused by religious parents who cried hitting them but believed they were doing the right thing. Sometimes mentally distressed people do unwittingly abusive things like involve children in delusions and compulsions they believe keep their children safe. Many parents who substance abuse are abusive unintentionally and tell themselves they are not being abusive, or forget.

duplodon · 27/05/2015 10:46

That's a very worrying position to take towards abusers. Most come from coercive environments themselves and think this is normal. I'm shocked to read someone who works professionally with abuse saying this.