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I was a Big Evil SM :(

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size4riggerboots · 27/05/2015 03:11

Well, I feel like I was anyway.

Since I last posted here over well over a year ago ( backstory here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/stepparenting/1846550-Hi-New-here-just-trying-to-figure-a-few-things-out-advice-welcomed ) things have been going well. I've been away at work for 253 days out of 365 (I just did my tax return), we bought a house, which DS loves too. She is now 8 and a half, and we still have a great relationship, still struggling with knife and fork, can read and tell the time but doesn't want to bother so says it's too hard. Plus, DP and Ex have got on well for the longest time ever, even now things are going tits up!

FYI I have been at sea since just after Christmas, and came home for 6 weeks leave at the end of April, so we've had 2 weekends with her.

1st weekend: So here's the issue: she sucks her thumb. (Ok, so she also needs asking 15 times before she does something and flies into a tantrum when she doesn't get her own way but we're mostly competent at dealing with those things). I realise that there are people who will say it should be stopped because of how it may affect her teeth, and those who will say let her do it it's a great comfort, and I understand both of those view points. Personally I think it encourages her to be babyish (there a multitude of other babyish habits, but that's for another time), and is possibly contributing to her being bullied at school. For these reasons, her mum is also of the opinion that she needs to stop sucking it, but her greatest weapon seems to be the threat of removal of the all hallowed i-pad. (Knowledge gained in the conversation I had with Ex herself, after the event..)

I (and DP) believe in the power of consequences, (frankly if I thought for a second I would ever in a million years get away with a short sharp smack across her bum, I would [never did any lasting damage to me and I damn well remembered the lesson]) so I threatened her with something much worse. Pepper sauce on the thumb. She looked suitably terrified and the thumb was absent for a while, over the rest of the weekend I continued to try this and it worked pretty well. She had a sleepover with 2 friends at our house (Ninja surprise attack of "Dad, can they sleep over?!?!?!" ....."Errrrr, if their mum doesn't mind" sigh) and was knackered on sunday morning. And when she's tired the thumb automatically goes into the mouth... Now, after telling a child the same thing over and over again every minute or so for half an hour (this may be an exaggeration but it felt like it) I was getting pretty damn annoyed. And I got the pepper sauce out of the cupboard.

Meanwhile her dad is also getting frustrated, for the same reasons as me, we're all in the kitchen at MIL's house, so she's talking too, and (Oh the power of hindsight and analysis) poor wee DS is getting just as fed up with it all as we are, and she's tired, so the thumb just keeps popping into that mouth.

I wasn't thinking like that at the time though. I felt like she was just doing it to piss us off. So I did it.

She was (understandably) not happy at this turn of events. However, the fireworks only lit when she licked it. I put tabasco-frikkin-sauce on her thumbs, how frikkin dumb am I?!? I realized immediately that I had gone too far, but hindsight, even a second after, is too late. Of course she rubbed her eyes then because she was crying. Oh god I felt bad. We washed her eye and then MIL swept her away from me for cuddles and comfort (she was [again, understandably] pissed off at me right then). When we'd all calmed down, I did apologize to DS and we had cuddles and then lunch and then the long drive north to return her to her mum. She called her mum from the car and I was surprised (and relieved) to note that she did not mention the incident. I decided that I ought to admit my mistake/fuck up to Ex at the handover and when I had she said that she'd rather I didn't do that I agreed and apologized again, deeply aware of how well within possibility it was that she could have thrown a huge fit at me (heck if the shoes were on the other feet..). I got hugs and kisses as we said goodbye (from DS, not ex!)

2nd weekend: So, it kinda felt like we'd gotten away with it. We had a great weekend, on friday I had a meal ready and waiting when they got in, bedtime not too unreasonable, saturday we visit my sister who has a toddler, DS and my nephew get on like a house on fire, DS is asking questions about whether she'd be part of mine and my sisters family if DP and I got married, lots of hugs all round... Sat eve we have the usual phone call to mum/ex and she comes up with the idea of a treat if DS only has to be told to stop sucking her thumb say, 3 times in a day. More than that, no treat. Super idea, says I, lets try that, and because she's been so busy and engaged all day we've barely had to tell her to take her thumb out so she gets a small chocolate egg and everyone is happy :) Sunday, I'm making my first ever roast leg of lamb (It was home grown, I come from a family of sheep farmers, this is as close as I come to religion) MIL comes over to us, they all watch a film, I cook in a happy domestic bliss... Watching TV being the second primary trigger for unconscious thumb sucking, it's popping into her mouth more and more, I'm keeping away from this though, it's her Dads job to deal with this one, I overstepped the mark once, not going to risk it again. So last weekend DP came up with the idea of masking tape around her thumbs, and decides to try this now. And actually, it works.

It worked up until the point that DS was told that, now the film was over she needed to practice her lines. (She wants to audition for a drama school). Didn't want to practice her lines. Gets out her phone and calls mum. Mum says she should do her lines. Suddenly the masking tape on her thumbs is the most awful thing ever, she can't get it off and she won't let anyone take it off because she's scared it will hurt. I do my very best, I'm on my knees, calm and soft voiced, offering to help but she doesn't want any of it, so I suggest that she needs to calm down and then tell us what she wants because we can't actually understand what she's saying, and maybe she should go and sit in her room while she calms down. She calmed down a lot after that, (perhaps because not being seen while you're being upset is not as effective). So after that's all cleared up, we have a lovely lunch (she ate everything and asked for seconds which is high praise indeed) and in the car journey north I only have to tell her three times to take her thumb out (so no treat..). Handover is happy happy, DS is excited about the prospect of next time we have her which will be a bit longer (half term) and we can go visit my folks in idyllic ...shire, (she LOVES the dog), Ex and I have a genuinely fun chat about DS's "boyfriend"... everything seems pretty peachy.

And now DS is apparently refusing to come down to see us, to the point where she would rather stay in her grandparents caravan than go home with her mum because "Daddy doesn't know where to find her and can't come and take her away". So suddenly we're at the point where Ex is saying she's going to break the court order, and we're going to have to pay for mediation, play therapy and generally jump through hoops again so that DP can see his child. The fact that Ex is still being calm and friendly and genuinely perplexed as to the origin of this behaviour is good, but I don't trust her parents not to be muttering things into DS's ear (their dislike of DP is intense, vitriolic and longstanding. In the years before DS was born, when DP and Ex were together and we were all friends she told us herself on may occasions how manipulative they were). However, I'm deeply worried that one of the driving factors may be that we've gone too hard on her about the thumb sucking thing and she now thinks that we're going to demonise her about it. The fact that she won't talk to her mum about it either suggests to me that perhaps we've almost gone too far on providing a united front...

It could be something completely different, but I really needed to vent all that anyway. I apologise for the ridiculously long post and thank you for bearing with me if you got this far.

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SnakeyMcBadass · 27/05/2015 08:47

So this little girl is being bullied at school, and you and her father are nlaming her actions and bullying her at home? You are so far into the wrong you can't even see the right. She needs love, reassurance, confidence building, a safe place to be herself. All of my sympathy is with this child who is being treated like shit instead of being cared for. Shame on you.

Viviennemary · 27/05/2015 08:51

You don't sound like anybody who is fit to be in charge of a child. No wonder the child refuses to come to see you. If I was the child's mother I'd go to court to make certain you had nothing to do with the upbringing. As somebody else said you are nothing but a bully.

Tequilashotfor1 · 27/05/2015 08:55

Good grief ! You are not built to be around children. You actually would be picking your teeth up of the floor if you did that to my child. If do her a favour and not come back on your home visits.

Houseworkavoider · 27/05/2015 09:17

My god. If I was your dsds mother, I would make sure my dd was never in yours or your dps care again.
On a more practical note, I suggest looking for a positive parenting course.

slkk · 27/05/2015 09:23

I see that the Tabasco was ott but I think people are being a bit dramatic calling you an abuser. I agree, in this situation you need to focus on building loving positive experiences with dsd so that she starts to enjoy her time with you again. I would also leave the thumb alone and let mum and dad deal with that (though hopefully they'll leave it for a bit too). Our ds is a nail biter and after a few cases of worms we are trying to deal with that. We use something called stopngrow which is painted on the nails. It isn't put on as a punishment, just a reminder. It tastes nasty but won't hurt eyes. As the biting can be subconscious like thumb sucking, it just reminds him whenever the fingers slip into the mouth so we don't need to nag. But let mum and dad take the lead, just try to rebuild trust for now. I hope she does come at half term and that you can all move on from this as a breakdown in her relationship with dad and you won't help her in the long term.

iamadaftcoo · 27/05/2015 09:26

I see that the Tabasco was ott but I think people are being a bit dramatic calling you an abuser.

This. But I'm not surprised, I have seen people on MN being called abusive for much less.

Orangeanddemons · 27/05/2015 09:29

I've just re read the original post. I feel sick. No wonder she doesn't want to come to you. They are still babyish at 8, they were only born 8 years ago after all.

Just leave her alone

AGirlCalledBoB · 27/05/2015 09:33

I'll tell you what if my son's stepmum had ever put hot sauce on my son's thumb she would never see him again. What on earth was going on your head why you was deciding to punish this girl, not your own girl this way? She must have been scared and in pain all for the sake of fucking thumb sucking.

Sorry but i agree with the mum and am not surprised the girl no longer wants to visit you. She should build up her relationship with her dad away from you.

Leave her actual parents to discipline, I know a lot of good step-parents, my own included and yes they told us off but they never ever would have done something like that.

In actual shock

AGirlCalledBoB · 27/05/2015 09:36

Silkk I don't think it's abusive per sa but I think it's 100% wrong for her to do that. It's not her place to discipline like that and as a mother I would think she was way too harsh to my son. It would seriously make me question what else this woman does and if I should have my kids around her. I would be furious. You want to tell my son off, go ahead but don't take it upon yourself to give her hot sauce for the sake of thumb sucking.

The kid does not want to go and to be honest I don't blame her.

Ledkr · 27/05/2015 09:37

To be fair putting burning hot sauce on a childs digit in order for it to burn her mouth is abusive.
It was designed to cause pain and suffering thus abusive

NickiFury · 27/05/2015 09:38

Focussing almost entirely on the negative aspects of a child's personality and making discipline and punitive measures your main target in your interactions with that child actually is abusive especially when that child is not yours. Maybe misguided and unintentional perhaps but the outcome is still going to produce an anxious and frightened child. What would you call it? If not abusive. And that's without dreaming up Tabasco sauce and masking tape on extremities as methods to deal with thumb sucking. Bet it was lovely trying to pull that tape of eh? Hmm

Ledkr · 27/05/2015 09:38

Her airways coukd have swelled causing breathing difficulties too, same with soap.
Those who don't think it's abusive go and try it yourself then report bsck!

happywiththis · 27/05/2015 09:39

Use humour! it sounds like you have a few bridges to build... use humour and be gentle for goodness sake.
It can take a long time to win back the confidence of a child if you hurt them. Regardless of whether you were acting for their good...
I know its not easy being a step-parent - but its even harder being the step-child - i know this first hand.
Be gentle. You want to be a friend and a comfort to DSD. Not permissive or lax! I agree with disciplining! but a friendship built up now will last. And it will make things better long term between you & your DP.

iamadaftcoo · 27/05/2015 09:40

Her airways coukd have swelled causing breathing difficulties too, same with soap.

from tobasco sauce?! I was eating half scotch bonnets from the age of five, get a grip!!!

TheMummalo · 27/05/2015 09:41

not to mention the shock and fear Ledkr!

Children who suck fingers do so to calm and comfort themselves, they don't need punishment and abuse!

iamadaftcoo · 27/05/2015 09:42

I work with abused kids and tbh this kind of hysteria really fucks me off. when you have seen kids who have been left to lie in filth, forage through bins for food, being starved, having all their bones broken, being thrown across rooms, you aren't so quick to judge every single parenting mistake as 'abusive'.

ltk · 27/05/2015 09:43

OP you sound like someone who is bad with kids. Doesn't understand or empathise with them, and not hugely interested in them. You have outdated and harsh childrearing instincts (pepper sauce, smacking) and seem able to control these instincts only sometimes. This is not necessarily a huge character flaw as long as you recognise it and change your behaviour. This is not your child and you really do not know what to do for best. Stop trying. Step back. Be led by what her df and dm suggest (restricting ipad, etc) and stop trying out your own ideas. Accept that your own idea is likely to be problematIc.

Ledkr · 27/05/2015 09:43

Yes, I'd know nothing about that would I iam not after seeing it twice during my time as an a and e nurse.
Here,,, have your fucking grip back.

iamadaftcoo · 27/05/2015 09:45

right, so parents who give their kids peanut butter who then have their airways swell up from an allergy are also abusive, right?

Ledkr · 27/05/2015 09:45

If you work with abused children I am totally shocked at your attitude, maybe you need to update your safeguarding training ASAP.
Abuse doesn't fit those little neat boxes, it can infest in some pretty subtle ways.

Ledkr · 27/05/2015 09:47

right, so parents who give their kids peanut butter who then have their airways swell up from an allergy are also abusive, right?

You are kidding right?
Sorry, you have lost me at that argument, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

mrstweefromtweesville · 27/05/2015 09:47

The poor child.
The best thing you could do for her would be to leave her life completely, allowing her father to find a partner who is not cruel. Though from the sound of things, he's no better, nor is her mother.
She will certainly need help to cope with the horrible things that have happened to her. If her own parents won't protect her, who will?
Poor, poor child.

iamadaftcoo · 27/05/2015 09:48

Not have worked, I work with. I'm well aware of the subtlety, thank you very much. My speciality is dealing with emotional abuse. For example kids who forget to say 'thank you' once to their father/mother and then spend the next four weeks getting the silent treatment.

As I said upthread, my father once gave me a green chilli to eat and I was allegedly very upset. I don't remember it now at all and he was not abusive.

To be very clear, I don't agree that putting hot sauce on the child's thumb was a good thing to do, I think it was very mean, but it was not abuse.

NickiFury · 27/05/2015 09:48

Well obviously this situation is not as serious as the ones you describe but the idea that this kind of thing should be sucked up because it's not as bad as it could a bit hard to understand.

iamadaftcoo · 27/05/2015 09:49

the idea that this kind of thing should be sucked up because it's not as bad as it could a bit hard to understand.

I'm not saying it should be sucked up, I'm saying it's OTT to accuse the OP of abuse.