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I was a Big Evil SM :(

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size4riggerboots · 27/05/2015 03:11

Well, I feel like I was anyway.

Since I last posted here over well over a year ago ( backstory here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/stepparenting/1846550-Hi-New-here-just-trying-to-figure-a-few-things-out-advice-welcomed ) things have been going well. I've been away at work for 253 days out of 365 (I just did my tax return), we bought a house, which DS loves too. She is now 8 and a half, and we still have a great relationship, still struggling with knife and fork, can read and tell the time but doesn't want to bother so says it's too hard. Plus, DP and Ex have got on well for the longest time ever, even now things are going tits up!

FYI I have been at sea since just after Christmas, and came home for 6 weeks leave at the end of April, so we've had 2 weekends with her.

1st weekend: So here's the issue: she sucks her thumb. (Ok, so she also needs asking 15 times before she does something and flies into a tantrum when she doesn't get her own way but we're mostly competent at dealing with those things). I realise that there are people who will say it should be stopped because of how it may affect her teeth, and those who will say let her do it it's a great comfort, and I understand both of those view points. Personally I think it encourages her to be babyish (there a multitude of other babyish habits, but that's for another time), and is possibly contributing to her being bullied at school. For these reasons, her mum is also of the opinion that she needs to stop sucking it, but her greatest weapon seems to be the threat of removal of the all hallowed i-pad. (Knowledge gained in the conversation I had with Ex herself, after the event..)

I (and DP) believe in the power of consequences, (frankly if I thought for a second I would ever in a million years get away with a short sharp smack across her bum, I would [never did any lasting damage to me and I damn well remembered the lesson]) so I threatened her with something much worse. Pepper sauce on the thumb. She looked suitably terrified and the thumb was absent for a while, over the rest of the weekend I continued to try this and it worked pretty well. She had a sleepover with 2 friends at our house (Ninja surprise attack of "Dad, can they sleep over?!?!?!" ....."Errrrr, if their mum doesn't mind" sigh) and was knackered on sunday morning. And when she's tired the thumb automatically goes into the mouth... Now, after telling a child the same thing over and over again every minute or so for half an hour (this may be an exaggeration but it felt like it) I was getting pretty damn annoyed. And I got the pepper sauce out of the cupboard.

Meanwhile her dad is also getting frustrated, for the same reasons as me, we're all in the kitchen at MIL's house, so she's talking too, and (Oh the power of hindsight and analysis) poor wee DS is getting just as fed up with it all as we are, and she's tired, so the thumb just keeps popping into that mouth.

I wasn't thinking like that at the time though. I felt like she was just doing it to piss us off. So I did it.

She was (understandably) not happy at this turn of events. However, the fireworks only lit when she licked it. I put tabasco-frikkin-sauce on her thumbs, how frikkin dumb am I?!? I realized immediately that I had gone too far, but hindsight, even a second after, is too late. Of course she rubbed her eyes then because she was crying. Oh god I felt bad. We washed her eye and then MIL swept her away from me for cuddles and comfort (she was [again, understandably] pissed off at me right then). When we'd all calmed down, I did apologize to DS and we had cuddles and then lunch and then the long drive north to return her to her mum. She called her mum from the car and I was surprised (and relieved) to note that she did not mention the incident. I decided that I ought to admit my mistake/fuck up to Ex at the handover and when I had she said that she'd rather I didn't do that I agreed and apologized again, deeply aware of how well within possibility it was that she could have thrown a huge fit at me (heck if the shoes were on the other feet..). I got hugs and kisses as we said goodbye (from DS, not ex!)

2nd weekend: So, it kinda felt like we'd gotten away with it. We had a great weekend, on friday I had a meal ready and waiting when they got in, bedtime not too unreasonable, saturday we visit my sister who has a toddler, DS and my nephew get on like a house on fire, DS is asking questions about whether she'd be part of mine and my sisters family if DP and I got married, lots of hugs all round... Sat eve we have the usual phone call to mum/ex and she comes up with the idea of a treat if DS only has to be told to stop sucking her thumb say, 3 times in a day. More than that, no treat. Super idea, says I, lets try that, and because she's been so busy and engaged all day we've barely had to tell her to take her thumb out so she gets a small chocolate egg and everyone is happy :) Sunday, I'm making my first ever roast leg of lamb (It was home grown, I come from a family of sheep farmers, this is as close as I come to religion) MIL comes over to us, they all watch a film, I cook in a happy domestic bliss... Watching TV being the second primary trigger for unconscious thumb sucking, it's popping into her mouth more and more, I'm keeping away from this though, it's her Dads job to deal with this one, I overstepped the mark once, not going to risk it again. So last weekend DP came up with the idea of masking tape around her thumbs, and decides to try this now. And actually, it works.

It worked up until the point that DS was told that, now the film was over she needed to practice her lines. (She wants to audition for a drama school). Didn't want to practice her lines. Gets out her phone and calls mum. Mum says she should do her lines. Suddenly the masking tape on her thumbs is the most awful thing ever, she can't get it off and she won't let anyone take it off because she's scared it will hurt. I do my very best, I'm on my knees, calm and soft voiced, offering to help but she doesn't want any of it, so I suggest that she needs to calm down and then tell us what she wants because we can't actually understand what she's saying, and maybe she should go and sit in her room while she calms down. She calmed down a lot after that, (perhaps because not being seen while you're being upset is not as effective). So after that's all cleared up, we have a lovely lunch (she ate everything and asked for seconds which is high praise indeed) and in the car journey north I only have to tell her three times to take her thumb out (so no treat..). Handover is happy happy, DS is excited about the prospect of next time we have her which will be a bit longer (half term) and we can go visit my folks in idyllic ...shire, (she LOVES the dog), Ex and I have a genuinely fun chat about DS's "boyfriend"... everything seems pretty peachy.

And now DS is apparently refusing to come down to see us, to the point where she would rather stay in her grandparents caravan than go home with her mum because "Daddy doesn't know where to find her and can't come and take her away". So suddenly we're at the point where Ex is saying she's going to break the court order, and we're going to have to pay for mediation, play therapy and generally jump through hoops again so that DP can see his child. The fact that Ex is still being calm and friendly and genuinely perplexed as to the origin of this behaviour is good, but I don't trust her parents not to be muttering things into DS's ear (their dislike of DP is intense, vitriolic and longstanding. In the years before DS was born, when DP and Ex were together and we were all friends she told us herself on may occasions how manipulative they were). However, I'm deeply worried that one of the driving factors may be that we've gone too hard on her about the thumb sucking thing and she now thinks that we're going to demonise her about it. The fact that she won't talk to her mum about it either suggests to me that perhaps we've almost gone too far on providing a united front...

It could be something completely different, but I really needed to vent all that anyway. I apologise for the ridiculously long post and thank you for bearing with me if you got this far.

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Bakeoffcake · 27/05/2015 08:02

I very much agree with you Zachary. OP, you aren't around enough to be doing any kind of "discipline" Back Off!

And apologise for typos in my previous post, Im so fucking angry. I had a step mum, she was and still is the kindest mum you could wish for- she actually brought time up, along with my dad, so I know how a loving step mum should be. You OP, are nowhere near it

tethersend · 27/05/2015 08:02

As someone who 'believes in the power of consequences', you should have no trouble working out why DSD does not want to come to you.

It's a consequence of your behaviour.

QOD · 27/05/2015 08:04

You sound like a very successful organised officer in charge of the welfare of loads of folk for 4 month bursts. You then come "home" to your rather ineffectual sound boyfriend who still lives with mummy. You see his daughter 8 times a year? Very over invested
Are you like it with him? Do you have to kind of come home and sort him out every time?

You say you hope to have enough to put a deposit on a house, you'll be leaving your bf/dp there 8 months a year, with his daughter following his rules 8 months a year, then you'll sweep in and enforce yours?
It'll drive you mad op. If it's YOUR house then and you can't deal with the lack of control at her grandparents, you're going to struggle.
You do sound very mismatched with your bf.
I'm not having a pop at you, but you seem too different?

WhereTheFuckIsMyFuckingCoat · 27/05/2015 08:04

Messtarlord, in most normal step families, it is perfectly appropriate and oftentimes necessary for step parents to be involved in and responsible for discipline, however in this instance I agree, the op should keep well away from disciplining this little girl in any way, shape or form for some time (that's if she gets to see her at all now!)

And as another aside which I meant to mention earlier - I have an 11.4yo thumb sucking ds, and yes, the shape of his soft palate has been changed which affects his teeth, however, I would rather pluck my own toenails out with pliers than physically discipline him for it. He knows it's not the best thing, he would 100% stop it if he could, as it embarrasses him if he catches himself doing it in front of his mates, but right now he can't, as it's a subconscious thing. Do discipline physically for that would be, well........ cruel.

Keranos · 27/05/2015 08:05

If I was that child's mother I'd rub Tabasco sauce in your eyes. No way would my child be allowed to stay with you. You are a step parent, your job is to quietly support the parent. This is bizarre

Toootiirreed · 27/05/2015 08:08

I don't undestand - please go to your doctor for help in getting a referral to some kind if support in child rearing before it's way to late for you all.

Baddz · 27/05/2015 08:08

Jesus.

Quiero · 27/05/2015 08:10

Due to the way you write I'll assume you're a troll. Surely no one thinks it's appropriate to litter a tale of child abuse with witty one liners?

If you're not a troll then please stay away from this girl. Funnily enough I've never read a manual on parenting either but I know what you claim to have done is hideously, hideously wrong.

zen1 · 27/05/2015 08:14

Why are you being deliberately cruel to a child and why do you get satisfaction from a child looking "suitably terrified"? It is also concerning that you describe yourself as having "gotten away with" it. You do know some children suck their thumb because it gives them security?

You do not need to be involved in the discipline of this child. She is terrified of you.

StackladysMorphicResonator · 27/05/2015 08:20

OK, I totally get why this site gets called a nest of vipers - OP has admitted that what she did was stupid, there's no call to all be jumping in and giving her a kicking over something she already feels shit about.

Putting masking tape on a child's thumb is NOT ABUSIVE!! Can we please stop clutching pearls and focus on providing OP with some decent advice and support which is what she presumably came here for? For example:

What can/should she do as next steps?
Share experiences of mediation/play therapy
Etc.

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 27/05/2015 08:21

You did What! Speaking as someone who sucked her thumb until 13, I truly cannot understand why you thought any of that was appropriate. Leave her alone.

Thumb sucking is a comfort mechanism for children who feel insecure. Having loving parents who accept you for who you are helps make you more confident and - when you feel better emotionally - you stop the habit all on your own.

Seriously, you've made it 1000x worse.

And she's not being bullied for the thumb sucking, though it will be something the bullies pick up on. She's being bullied because she lacks confidence in herself and so is an easy target. Including it seems for you.

Chipsahoythere · 27/05/2015 08:21

Surely the op is only obsessed by the thumb sucking because the DSDs DM keeps ringing her to tell her what she needs to do and reminding her to get DSD to stop sucking her thumb? But then OP you've taken it too far, it's not really your problem if she sucks her thumb.
The Tabasco idea was stupid, obviously she was going to get it in her eye, poor little mite.

However, it wasn't the op who put masking tape on DSD. Also there was a thread on here a few weeks ago about a nursery putting masking tape on a child's thumbs, and the op of that thread was concerned that it wasn't right, and everyone told her to butt out. I don't really think masking tape on a thumb is necessarily abusive. It's masking tape, not sellotape.

Orangeanddemons · 27/05/2015 08:28

Wtf is wrong with a child sucking her thumb for comfort? Fuck knows we all need something to soothe and calm us in this life. She's 8 years old fgs! My 9 year old still sucks her thumb, and so do lots of her friends. She never gets bullied, as she does have some control about where she sucks it.

I teach secondary, loads of them still do it without realising. Poor little girl

iamadaftcoo · 27/05/2015 08:28

My Dad gave me a whole green chilli to eat once when I was three. Allegedly I was traumatised but I don't remember it now.

Bakeoffcake · 27/05/2015 08:29

I've just reread the OP as I can't quiet believe it.

It's really quite chilling the way you seem to relish the retelling of this
story incident.

TheMummalo · 27/05/2015 08:29

You post at 3am and by 8:30am you have 58 replies criticising/condemning your actions, pretty impressive.

OP I'm a stepmum and a mum.
I've been on MN 10 years now and your post has left me really FUCKING angry.
WTF do you think you are doing.

Seriously leave this relationship and go find a man without children.

Ohbollocksandballs · 27/05/2015 08:29

If you were my ds' stepmother you would not have had a calm reaction from me that's for sure.

I wouldn't let my child anywhere near you. You sound awful.

Mrsstarlord · 27/05/2015 08:30

I think the masking tape thing is similar to the plaster idea. I assume he didn't wrap it round like a mummy?

I think step parents can be involved in reinforcing boundaries agreed by birth parents but I genuinely can't think of a single time I disciplined my step kids. I very much was a mentor rather than disciplinarian and it worked for us all. To be fair, they were 13 and 15 so maybe beyond the disciplining stage, but they are great kids adults but still kids to me and both chose to share the biggest, scariest news of their lives with me before anyone else because they felt that they could - so it worked for us all.

Fairylea · 27/05/2015 08:30

Gosh what a horrid person you are. Sorry op but there is no way I'd be letting my dd stay with someone like you.

My dd is 12 and up until she was about 8 she would sleep with a comfort blanket at her dad's. Her dad kept trying to make her get rid of it and keeping it away from her. What the fuck?! There are worse things in life to get upset about. She also sucked her thumb until about the same age. Who cares? Honestly. What a load of nonsense and abuse over nothing.

3CheekyLittleMonkeys · 27/05/2015 08:31

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PlumpingThePartTimeMother · 27/05/2015 08:33

I'm going to assume this is real and that the op is writing in a semi-humorous way because that's her style.

op, I understand the feeling of being wound up to the nth degree by something that your child is doing and resorting to physical means of stopping them doing it. I have 2 preschoolers and they (the older one especially) CONSTANTLY push the boundaries. Asking politely, bargaining, bribing, threatening toy removal - none of these work with DS1. The only thing that works is making it impossible for him to do the thing he's doing anymore. It's like he goes into some sort of naughty trance until that happens. I won't hit him because I grew up in a house where I got hit any time my mother was pissed off (it stopped aged 15) but I really really want to a lot of the time, because that's what my 'instincts' tell me to do. Another reason that the 'trust your gut' advice is terrible for people with less positive upbringings, IMO.

Anyway, I think it's a very different case with your DSD; you said yourself it's an unconscious action to suck her thumb and so punishing her this stringently was really not fair at all. You've said that though, which is good. Although I must admit I think the masking tape idea - i.e. a physical barrier to thumb sucking - wasn't terrible in principle but in execution. Maybe an oven glove would have been better, if she agreed to wear it and was allowed to take it off after a set period of time (say half an hour). If she understands that it may be a factor in her school difficulties, she might be happy to go along with the 'cure' - she's old enough to understand and to be involved in managing her own happiness I think. If she doesn't understand and doesn't want to comply, then you can't do it - it's as simple as that.

As for those asking why you care: I am going to be generous and assume it's because you care about the little girl and don't want her to be bullied at school, not simply because you view her behaviour as deliberately challenging and subconsciously want to punish her.

I hope some of this is helpful to you.

mrsjskelton · 27/05/2015 08:41

Whilst I think other methods of stopping thumb sucking would be much more effective (I cannot stand thumb sucking either) I think people seriously need to lay off this woman and her "right" to discipline her DSD. She clearly wants to be a proactive role in the girl's life and asked for advice - it's easy for a DSC to go running from one parent to the other to get what they want out each one! At 8yo she seriously needs to have stopped sucking her thumbs anyway!

Allwayslookingforanswers · 27/05/2015 08:44

so basically due to your job you barely see this child but see fit to make her life difficult over a habit that she likely isn't even aware that she is doing. She might even need the comfort of thumb sucking more around you.

Spend more time at sea? How long have you and DP been together? How will he feel when his child says she doesn't want to visit when you are there?

StarDustMonkey · 27/05/2015 08:44

Just been reading the other post and it makes the whole picture just so sad. You say that love gets 'administered' only if she is genuinely upset...love should always be there. My kids always have love and are dealt with with love. This doesn't mean I don't discipline them, of course I do, but always while still loving them and them knowing they are still loved.

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