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My partner of 3 years won’t tell his children about us

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littlelokey · 06/11/2021 00:09

Hi everyone.

I’m 46 with two children, aged 14 and 18 and I’ve been seeing someone for three years that I was vaguely friendly with for 8 years prior to getting together.

We have now been together for just over 3 years. And the recurring issue is that he spends a lot of time at his house visiting his children and helping his ex wife out.

He says his children won’t come to his flat to see him because it’s too small and it’s inconvenient for them, and his 21 year old daughter has what we suspect is agoraphobia and doesn’t like to leave the house.

He still has all his tools stored at the house (which he often needs for work), he has a lot of clothes still there, has his paperwork there so he goes there to do admin (he says it’s because his flat is so small). He also has his post and all his deliveries sent there.

He’s a builder so if any work needs doing he goes and does it (which I understand), he also maintains his wife’s car and runs errands and covers any additional charges like parking fines. He also has the only ring doorbell app on his phone, so he gets an alert anyone knocks at the house.

He’s often there every day, sometimes quickly to pick something up, albeit usually when his ex is out at work, and he’ll often sit and watch a film and have lunch or dinner there - to keep his daughter company.

I totally understand that he wants to and should see his daughters and I totally understand that he wants to help his wife where necessary but I feel like it’s a lot and that he’s still very enmeshed with the family unit and the house.

Recently he said that his ex had become upset and that she thought they might get back together - he told me he’d assured her they wouldn’t.

Because of all that, I’ve said that I want him to sit down with his ex and clarify exactly what’s going on and that I think it’s time for him tell his daughters that he’s seeing me - but he’s said no.

He says they’ll always hate me because they’re close to their mum and won’t like the fact that he’s moved on. That there’s no point upsetting them unnecessarily because they’ll never meet me and I won’t be part of their lives.

He’s a fireman, and a few weeks ago he had a scary close call at work. He jokingly said to me after that if he’d died, I wouldn’t have been able to go to his funeral which really upset me.

I understand that he what’s to protect his daughters feelings and doesn’t want to look like the bad guy for leaving their mum, but after three years, I feel hurt and unimportant and like I’m his dirty secret and like he cares more about hurting their feelings than he does mine.

He’s saying I’ve got it all wrong, I’m thinking too much into it, and he’s effectively left his family and home for me and that should be enough and that proves how much he loves me. I feel very confused.

I’d love some advice please.

Thank you so much

OP posts:
forumdonkey · 06/11/2021 17:29

Whether he's still married or emotionally attached, he made you feel like a dirty secret, for that reason alone, you need to finish it. You deserve so much more. You deserve to be loved and cherished by someone who is proud of you and wants to be with you.

Did you tell him why you were finishing it with him? What did he say? If you mean anything to him, it should be the wake up call and he'd show you by doing the right thing

Sidehustle99 · 06/11/2021 18:05

Some times the true is hard to hear unfortunately. And of course telling you what you want to hear would not be helpful. On the whole the MN community give sound advice, there are sometimes one or two obvious trolls though.

I don't think many take pleasure in giving bad news. I think sometimes the advice is so direct because there needs to be no ambiguity. I've seen posters grasp the tiniest piece of narrative that suits their purpose.

I wish you well, I think you've done the right thing and I know that must be very hard. You absolutely deserve the best from your significant other Thanks

Gilmorehill · 06/11/2021 18:11

I agree with forum donkey that it’s like you are a dirty little secret.
Have you met any of his extended family? Meeting friends or colleagues tells you nothing as men often cover for each other.

RantyAunty · 06/11/2021 18:14

Some of the replies have been horrible and nothing at all helpful in being so nasty.
I do hope you're ok OP. It probably was best to end it with him with all the shady things going on.
If you really wanted to, you still could call his wife and at least you'd know the real truth.

wizzywig · 06/11/2021 18:15

I'd be evil enough to give their joint email address down to wedding venues...

ChargingBuck · 06/11/2021 18:20

@wizzywig

I'd be evil enough to give their joint email address down to wedding venues...
What? How would that help OP, & why would you suggest it?

@littlelokey - @forumdonkey nailed it.
His "joke" about his potential funeral was downright nasty.
Whatever the ins & outs - you've done well to decide you are too good to be his "dirty little secret".

I hope you achieved some catharsis & satisfaction from taking control & ending it. He has treated you disgracefully. Look after yourself, spend a few months on self-care before dating again ... & be happy! You deserve a far better relationship than what he is prepared to offer. Flowers

InFiveMins · 06/11/2021 18:38

Firstly OP I'd be concerned he hasn't truly separated from his wife.

If he isn't prepared to be open about you with his children then I don't see the relationship going anywhere. Why does everything have to be on his terms? You aren't teenagers hiding a secret relationship - you're grown adults supposed to be enjoying an adult relationship - I'd tell him this and tell him you aren't prepared to 'hide' anymore and you're either out in the open as a couple, or you separate.

learnasyougo · 06/11/2021 18:47

Big well done OP for taking back control and standing up for yourself. This hurts a lot right now but it won't always.
Also don't beat yourself up about having let this go on. We tend to project onto others how we know ourselves to be. You took him at his word because you are a decent person. That's no flaw.

Ending it was the best thing to do here. I really don't think talking it through with him would have helped. He knew very well how he was treating you and hurting you didn't matter to him as much as how the arrangement suited him. He saidd the right things and behaved badly anyway.
You're decent and deserve better. Flowers

Dixiechickonhols · 06/11/2021 18:55

100% he’s married. You are ow. He’s told her he sleeps at work and or rents somewhere near work for work reasons. Shifts and 2 jobs will help hide stuff but it sounds like pretty blatant.
You definitely aren’t his partner. If you were you’d have met all family and friends.

Mulhollandmagoo · 06/11/2021 19:05

I'm really pleased you've ended your relationship OP, because you deserve better than to be treated like that Flowers he was enjoying having his cake and eating it too!

Journeynotdestination · 06/11/2021 19:06

OP, hope you are ok! I disagree with most posters here. Not everything is so black & white. It does seem extremely complicated however, and he’s not being fair to you. But I don’t think you are the OW, but I think he is unreasonably close to his ex wife - and you should by now be properly introduced to his children & family & friends. It has to be him being fully ‘in’ with you, not halfway. Let him stew on it now he knows he could lose you & he may come through.

A lot of posters in here love the drama - it gets a bit like The Sims, where I feel posters want to see their advice gain an outcome, ie you ending it. But only you know in your heart what is right for you.

Mulberrygirl3 · 06/11/2021 21:28

Hi OP. I was living with my ex for 7 years when I found out about his double life. Coincidentally he was a builder. He was in a relationship with another woman. In fact engaged to her. She had met his brother and friends whilst he and I lived together.

She had never spent a night with him but saw him most days. He had told her that we had split but he had to stay in our house in the spare room until the house was sold and he got his share. He told her I had mental health issues and was v unstable so he was worried about upsetting me until the house was sold.

He had two phones. I had some suspicions but no evidence. He spend every night at home with me. Anyway a fluke sighting of him on the other side of town when he had said he was working in another location led me to follow him only to find his car and van parked in a driveway with a woman sitting visible at the window. I parked the car and went to the door with my heart in my mouth. She invited me in.

He was the love of her life apparently and she begged me to sell the house as he didn’t love me. I could get help for my mental health probs. She had an engagement ring on. Engagement cards on the mantelpiece. It was fucking surreal.

Anyway although I didn’t realise it at the time as I was quite devastated as I did love him, that was the best thing that could have happened as it allowed me to sever all ties with the lying cheating bastard. It was my house. He was not due a share. I had no mental health problems. I had a very good job so literally put him right out my life.

He tried to get me to believe she was mentally unwell. A customer that had become a bit obsessed by him. She had told her friends they were engaged and had bought herself her own engagement ring. She had got the wrong idea. He knew her father and was working on his house when he suddenly died. He was comforting her. She had mental health issues. The lies just kept coming.

The real truth as far as I am aware was he was having a relationship with her for a couple of years. Had never spent a night with her but that was because he couldn’t trust me and had to protect his investment. My house! He was engaged to her. She had met his bro and friends. She knew about me but believed me to be his unstable ex and because he was such a great guy he was supporting me.

Get out OP this guy is stringing you along. He will be having a laugh down the station with his colleagues about how he is getting away with having someone on the side. He is telling you you’ll buy a house together. Making plans. So how will that one work? His daughters will never want to visit him when you live together? It’s not real. He is using this to keep you happy. He is not committed to you. As another poster said how can a flat be too wee to do paperwork? He is torturing you and his wife. He is a prick

Mulberrygirl3 · 06/11/2021 21:31

Meant to add you deserve so much more. Don’t waste any more time with this guy. I know you’ve said you have ended it but don’t let him squirm his way back in. Flowers

Onthedunes · 06/11/2021 21:57

@Mulberrygirl3

That's dreadful, but believable.
Is he still with her ?

I don't think op is willing to listen I don't think she thinks someone can be so intrinsically bad, she's known him eight years ? probably a customer of his or a trades counter person, sounds like he's been grooming her for years.

Mulberrygirl3 · 06/11/2021 22:13

[quote Onthedunes]@Mulberrygirl3

That's dreadful, but believable.
Is he still with her ?

I don't think op is willing to listen I don't think she thinks someone can be so intrinsically bad, she's known him eight years ? probably a customer of his or a trades counter person, sounds like he's been grooming her for years.[/quote]
OP has had lots of good advice. It’s up to her whether she takes it.

For me there was definitely a bit of denial that I could have been duped like this as I thought he was genuine.

It was terrible at the time that’s for sure. It was the web of lies that he had spun. Think he must of got off on it. He harassed me for a few months wanting to talk to me, be with me, explain. Even tried to convince me he had had a mental breakdown but it was all shit.

A couple of years later she friend requested me on Christmas Day. I toyed with the idea of speaking to her as I was curious but I didn’t. I was on holiday abroad with my now husband. There was a bit of me that did want to tell her that but I resisted as that would have just been unkind. I’m guessing she was contacting me as he was prob shagging someone else as why else?

At the time she obviously got wind he was trying to stay with me and had told her a pile of shit about me. She got quite nasty and threatening towards me. All that drama is so not me or the life I lead so I did tell her I would report her to the police if the threats continued. I advised her to also leave him for her own sanity but he was the love of her life so didn’t. God knows how that panned out.

I used to see him sometimes in the car as she lived close to me but I got married and moved away so I have no idea whether they are together or not. I can honestly say I couldn’t care less. The other day I had to think for a few minutes to remember his surname and hers Grin. At the time I was devastated.

Another point which I only realise now was deliberate on his part. He has no social media presence. Always said he didn’t believe in it etc but I guess the real reason would be to cover the tracks of his double life. I’m well rid x

Skysblue · 06/11/2021 22:19

Ok people MOST FIREMEN HAVE SECOND JOBS round here my plasterer was a fireman and that’s what he said, fireman aren’t paid enough to live on and they often have a lot of free time when there’s no fires about, so stop going “aha OP he can’t have two jobs” 🙄 yes he can.

OP this sounds very stressful and confusing for you. You’re having the right conversations witb him. You don’t need to be dramatic or give him an ultimatum or leave him but you need to set out very clearly that this is no longer a ‘new’ relationship and the way he is keeping you a secret is disrespectful to both you and his family. Wtf saying you can’t go to his funeral. Tell him he needs to sort out his head because it isn’t helping anyone. He’s upsetting you and also his wife who he’s kinda stringing along by acting like half a husband. She isn’t going to meet anyone else and move on with her life with him round the house eh. You can’t form close relationships with the children or start stepping into your role as future stepmother.

He’s acting like the marriage only just ended but it’s been three years he needs a reality check.

Fireflygal · 07/11/2021 08:50

@Mulberrygirl3, so glad you have moved on. Your ex was obviously disordered and unfortunately it's not as rare as people think. Thanks for sharing your story as it highlights the deception and manipulation

shrugitoff · 07/11/2021 11:25

@Mulberrygirl3
What a tosser he was.
Did his brother and friends know all about both of you in his life ?

Mulberrygirl3 · 07/11/2021 12:03

[quote shrugitoff]@Mulberrygirl3
What a tosser he was.
Did his brother and friends know all about both of you in his life ? [/quote]
His business partner knew about both of us but was apparently also having an affair so not too fussed. His brother claimed he had bumped into them once (she said different that they had been out together socially) but didn’t know they were in a relationship. Said he thought she was a customer picking a kitchen! I’ll never know the truth really but the brother potentially knowing stung a bit as I had always thought he was a really decent guy. More of a father figure to my ex as their dad had died young. At the time I felt gutted he had possibly known about this woman. When I told him he told me I didn’t deserve that and to leave him. Apparently he then went to his yard and had an argument with him and punched him. I didn’t hear from the bro again or his wife x

Ineedaduvetday · 07/11/2021 13:58

@littlelokey

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