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My partner of 3 years won’t tell his children about us

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littlelokey · 06/11/2021 00:09

Hi everyone.

I’m 46 with two children, aged 14 and 18 and I’ve been seeing someone for three years that I was vaguely friendly with for 8 years prior to getting together.

We have now been together for just over 3 years. And the recurring issue is that he spends a lot of time at his house visiting his children and helping his ex wife out.

He says his children won’t come to his flat to see him because it’s too small and it’s inconvenient for them, and his 21 year old daughter has what we suspect is agoraphobia and doesn’t like to leave the house.

He still has all his tools stored at the house (which he often needs for work), he has a lot of clothes still there, has his paperwork there so he goes there to do admin (he says it’s because his flat is so small). He also has his post and all his deliveries sent there.

He’s a builder so if any work needs doing he goes and does it (which I understand), he also maintains his wife’s car and runs errands and covers any additional charges like parking fines. He also has the only ring doorbell app on his phone, so he gets an alert anyone knocks at the house.

He’s often there every day, sometimes quickly to pick something up, albeit usually when his ex is out at work, and he’ll often sit and watch a film and have lunch or dinner there - to keep his daughter company.

I totally understand that he wants to and should see his daughters and I totally understand that he wants to help his wife where necessary but I feel like it’s a lot and that he’s still very enmeshed with the family unit and the house.

Recently he said that his ex had become upset and that she thought they might get back together - he told me he’d assured her they wouldn’t.

Because of all that, I’ve said that I want him to sit down with his ex and clarify exactly what’s going on and that I think it’s time for him tell his daughters that he’s seeing me - but he’s said no.

He says they’ll always hate me because they’re close to their mum and won’t like the fact that he’s moved on. That there’s no point upsetting them unnecessarily because they’ll never meet me and I won’t be part of their lives.

He’s a fireman, and a few weeks ago he had a scary close call at work. He jokingly said to me after that if he’d died, I wouldn’t have been able to go to his funeral which really upset me.

I understand that he what’s to protect his daughters feelings and doesn’t want to look like the bad guy for leaving their mum, but after three years, I feel hurt and unimportant and like I’m his dirty secret and like he cares more about hurting their feelings than he does mine.

He’s saying I’ve got it all wrong, I’m thinking too much into it, and he’s effectively left his family and home for me and that should be enough and that proves how much he loves me. I feel very confused.

I’d love some advice please.

Thank you so much

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Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 06/11/2021 13:40

What tools is he keeping there if he is a fire fighter? What he is telling you is BS and the classic spineless man thing of not wanting anyone to be upset. His daughter is 21 - enabling her by tip toeing around is not doing her any favours.

Dozer · 06/11/2021 13:42

He is not your ‘partner’. you should’ve run for the hills many moons ago!

Aubree17 · 06/11/2021 13:42

I think after 3 years you deserve to be a full part of each other's lives.

I do believe his marriage is over, they just haven't cut all ties.

I would have an honest chat about where you both stand. He has told you that you will never meet his daughters? What does this say about the future he sees with you?

I think that if after 3 years if someone hadn't fully integrated me into his life and was still playing happy families with his wife the right thing to do would be to walk.

Easier said than done though I'm afraid.

Dozer · 06/11/2021 13:45

It’s not ‘nasty’ of posters to point out some ‘home truths’.

You have been nasty to yourself with your choices to date with this relationship, eg to continue to date a man who (at best) remains enmeshed with his ‘ex’ and treats you badly.

Fireflygal · 06/11/2021 13:47

He argued that it’s different because I have no need to be around his kids but he does need to be around mine

I appreciate you have ended it and whilst it might hurt its best for the long run.

His previous statement is highly manipulative. He only needs to be around your dc because it makes life easy for him. You could have chosen that he never meets your dc, all dates outside the home or in his flat.

Never ever give more than the other person you are dating, it must be equal steps otherwise he gets to keep his "lovely" house, his relationship with his children and gets an extra martial relationship on the side. Win/Win for him.

My reading of this is...he is mostly checked out of his marriage but doesn't want to leave fully...he is in a hybrid marriage, fun on the side but he hasn't had the heartache of a divorce and financial loss.

BananaPB · 06/11/2021 13:50

That there’s no point upsetting them unnecessarily because they’ll never meet me and I won’t be part of their lives.

Listen to him. This is what he thinks of you and your relationship. The numerous references to "his house" and "wife "instead of his ex's house and ex-wife means that you know deep down that he's happy with the way things are. Yanbu got wanting a different (and tbh more typical) kind of relationship

I think you've done the right thing by breaking up. When you're sad about it remember the sentence above. He wants a part-time gf who he sees when he's not at his ex's house.

ChargingBuck · 06/11/2021 13:51

No our relationship wasn’t an affair. We’d known each other for around 6 years before we got together, at the time he was sleeping in the spare room at home
Said every married man to his affair partner, ever.

I told him that under no circumstances would I enter into anything even close to a relationship with him unless he had ended his marriage officially and wasn’t living at home. He did eventually move out and three months later we started dating.
So ... he didn't end his marriage, bought/rented the shag pad flat, told you you were now his one & only ..?

He told me his wife was very needy and sensitive and as they’d been together since she was 16 and he was 17 he didn’t want to upset her any further or “abandon” and that his house was his pride and joy and he’d worded hard on/for it and wanted to maintain it because if/when he eventually sold up, it’d cost more to fix it up then it would doing it as he went along. I didn’t love it, but I didn’t think that was unreasonable.
And yet, despite getting his separate flat, he told you he was going to make his wife a priority, not get divorced, thereby keeping his family home, pensions & any assets intact ... & retain you as a side piece.
He may not have used those words, but this is what his actions have said.

she somehow saw on their joint email account (I know 🙄)
Yeah, you do OP.
Time to stop listening to the words & start paying a lot of attention to the actions.

BananaPB · 06/11/2021 13:52

If I knew your ex I would have advised him to tell his girls sooner rather than later. If they found out now I think they'd be angry and feel lied to because such a long time has passed.

ChargingBuck · 06/11/2021 13:53

He argued that it’s different because I have no need to be around his kids but he does need to be around mine (I need to be hold for my 14 year old daughter) and that I’m hindering our relationship

What utter, hypocritical, manipulative bullshit.

Is his flat rented or bought?
He's eying you up for potential cocklodging too by the sound of it.

ChargingBuck · 06/11/2021 13:57

@littlelokey

I suggested storing his stuff at mine but I just don’t have the space and his house is nearer to his flat. I know he’s not sleeping with her but I think he’s looking after her and is still on husband duties
Oh come on OP.

Do you really think he & his wife are whiling away their evenings in the comfort of the family home "doing admin"?

Because his flat is "too small" to contain paperwork?

SweetBabyCheeses99 · 06/11/2021 14:14

Despite all the follow-up info from you OP, I even more convinced now that he’s still 100% married and you are the OW. He told his wife he needed to get the flat so he has somewhere quiet to sleep during the day when he’s on night shifts. I assume you know all this deep down which is why you’re here, but doubt that any man could be that audacious as to try to pull this off for years - well, they can!

dottiedodah · 06/11/2021 14:31

I think he is spinning you a line! He seems happy to see you as an "add on" and is gleefully having his Battenberg and eating it. I think you will always be in this position .You need some action and fast .Talk to him again and explain your feelings to him.At the moment you are still the OW in everything .He is still attached to his wife and DC. No messy divorce for him!

Opentooffers · 06/11/2021 14:40

No mention of divorce proceedings being started. This situation will continue indefinitely if you let it. Exactly why I would never get involved with a separated man. Separated, is still too connected, and at best it means getting dragged through their crappy times during divorce of they ever get that far. Who needs that? It's not going to make for happy times. He's told you you will never meet his DC, so he fully intends to stay married. Best thing you can do is extracate yourself from it all.

Sidehustle99 · 06/11/2021 14:41

He's lying to everyone in his life. You can't mix because it will all come out. He will have other friends his wife and family know. He must be exhausted. I don't think I could be with someone this dishonest.

Sidehustle99 · 06/11/2021 14:46

His words 'he’s effectively left his family and home for me and that should be enough and that proves how much he loves me'. Effectively is not the same as reality. You are the OW. It also proves nothing at all to do with love. Love is in actions. I am sorry OP Sad

beansprout55 · 06/11/2021 14:46

OP - a lot of people on here judge and speculate instead of taking the OP's statement at face value and giving advice based on that. A lot of people here have been hurt or had negative experiences, so are quick to tarnish all men with messy backgrounds with the same brush.

Please don't read into the negative responses you got - I can see you were asking for advice and not to be insulted (Shame on you who did! How unkind and judgmental of you to pick on a woman who seeks help)

My take on things is that he is messing you around and isn't treating you well. You should give him an ultimatum - tell him you want a proper relationship, no secrets or hiding, and living together! If he isn't on board I'd walk away. Good luck darling x

Onthedunes · 06/11/2021 14:53

I think the only ring app on the front door is installed just in case you turn up.

God he's got everything covered hasn't he.

Remember the most charming of men can be the most narcisistic.

He must be so busy with all these different compartments in his life, be sure that you will not be the only one he is having on the side. Why would he limit his sex life just to you, his job enables him to meet many women I'm sure, being a builder.

He picked you for a reason, now try to open your eyes see to what kind of man you are really with.

Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie.

Graphista · 06/11/2021 15:02

at the time he was sleeping in the spare room at home and had been for almost 5 years.

So HE says!

He did eventually move out and three months later we started dating.

He would definitely still have been married at this point

but I’m 30 years of marriage his wife hasn’t met and if his friends and some of his extended family because she doesn’t like to socialise. She hadn’t met his closest friend of 20 years who lives a few streets away!

Bull!

I’ve been to his fire station a few times, so they know about me, and I’ve met a lot of his friends

The ones loyal to HIM

She called the hotel and put her through to our room, and I answered and she hung up

That's how I got confirmation of ex cheating or one of. He had also told ow we :

Were separated in all but name
Slept in different rooms
No longer had sex

All LIES!

was because I was the catalyst ie ow

So did they divorce?

Not in 3 months they couldn't have!

he’s an absolute coward and a weak and selfish man

At the very very least

More likely is he's a cheating manipulative arsehole!

I bet the flat he has is so he has a base that doesn't disturb his wife and adult kids when he gets in from night shift/long day.

That's what he may be claiming anyway, I don't think it's more likely wife doesn't even know about the flat and when he is there he's claiming he's at work

we’d talked about him using it to buy a place in the country and us sharing both.

Future faking

I know he’s not sleeping with her

No you REALLY don't! That's the oldest married man line going! Ex and I were having a great sex life right up until I found out about ow. During the period of time at the start of their affair we had 2 romantic weekends away I later learned he'd told her were work related and we had plenty of sex! It was only when I discovered the affair and I was concerned for my sexual health that I started dodging his advances with a variety of excuses. You should be concerned with your sexual health too btw

I’m really not lying about how we got together if that’s what you are implying..

Perhaps not but I think it's entirely possible he fooled you!

Oh and he took the OW into the station regularly and they all kept the secret

Yea I've a relative that's a fire fighter this is not uncommon, same with police and paramedics and hcps... basically anyone who works shifts can get away with it

she knows about me..

So you've met her? Talked to her? Or is that based on the phone call to the hotel where he was caught out?

Cos the latter is more likely and he's giving her "it was a one off a mistake it'll never happen again she is gone" etc etc

You've ended this? Good

In future don't be so naive!

Onthedunes · 06/11/2021 15:04

@beansprout55

OP - a lot of people on here judge and speculate instead of taking the OP's statement at face value and giving advice based on that. A lot of people here have been hurt or had negative experiences, so are quick to tarnish all men with messy backgrounds with the same brush.

Please don't read into the negative responses you got - I can see you were asking for advice and not to be insulted (Shame on you who did! How unkind and judgmental of you to pick on a woman who seeks help)

My take on things is that he is messing you around and isn't treating you well. You should give him an ultimatum - tell him you want a proper relationship, no secrets or hiding, and living together! If he isn't on board I'd walk away. Good luck darling x

Why are posters being unkind ?

Why are we being judgemental? How very noble of you to give your take on things, which sound pretty much like we have said but your response is kinder ?

Shame on us? really, we are not picking on her, we are merely trying to make her see the truth, the truth that this is not a kind man, anything but.

She's been played, she's an empath and needs to see how nice people can appear nice but be fucking horrible.

What do you want us to say to her, I'm sure he doesn't mean it, kiss and make up, you'll be fine. Post back in another ten years hopefully the wife will be dead.?

Good luck darling. ffs

Bqmbiiiiii · 06/11/2021 15:08

@Fluffycloudland77

I’d have £50 on the wife having no idea and thinking he’s away for work.

Dh has met friends girlfriends when they’ve had wives, he didn’t like it but he didn’t tell the wife or tell the gf he was married.

Yup, this. You are undoubtedly the OW.
NotaCoolMum · 06/11/2021 15:52

Holy crap some of these replies are awful! @littlelokey i see you said you’ve ended it? Did you tell him why? How did he react? And most importantly are you ok? 🌻

HeartsAndClubs · 06/11/2021 16:18

I’m glad you’ve ended it.

Please don’t let him manipulate his way back in by e.g. telling you he’s told the kids about you but obviously they want to wait a while before meeting you etc. He will use that to try and reel you back in and then after 3, 6, 9 months you’ll realise that nothing’s changed after all and he’ll keep saying the kids aren’t ready to meet you/that they blame him for moving forward and that his relationship with them is suffering because of him telling them about you, etc etc.

littlelokey · 06/11/2021 17:01

Thank you for all your comments, it’s been a tough day reading them all, and the hurtful comments cut deep on top of ending the relationship. I came here looking for advice and help and as some one responded to comment about people being very harsh towards me, I would respond that it’s okay to tell someone home truths, but is it necessary to be so cutting and personal and downright hurtful whilst doing it. I think it’s enough now, I’m not sure I’m emotionally strong enough to hear any more, it’s been a very difficult year for me for lots of reasons so I won’t be reading any more of them because I’m not strong enough for any more truths or jibes at my expense.
Thanks for for those of you who wrote helpful, constructive and supportive comments. x

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Evesgarden · 06/11/2021 17:16

OP some posters just use 'homes truths' to be arseholes

No one on this board knows what's going on, its just speculation.

I hope you are ok Flowers

littlelokey · 06/11/2021 17:23

@Evesgarden thank you. I’ve read things before about how harsh and hurtful comments on mumsnet could be, and I’ve experienced it myself today. Thank you for checking on me

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