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My partner of 3 years won’t tell his children about us

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littlelokey · 06/11/2021 00:09

Hi everyone.

I’m 46 with two children, aged 14 and 18 and I’ve been seeing someone for three years that I was vaguely friendly with for 8 years prior to getting together.

We have now been together for just over 3 years. And the recurring issue is that he spends a lot of time at his house visiting his children and helping his ex wife out.

He says his children won’t come to his flat to see him because it’s too small and it’s inconvenient for them, and his 21 year old daughter has what we suspect is agoraphobia and doesn’t like to leave the house.

He still has all his tools stored at the house (which he often needs for work), he has a lot of clothes still there, has his paperwork there so he goes there to do admin (he says it’s because his flat is so small). He also has his post and all his deliveries sent there.

He’s a builder so if any work needs doing he goes and does it (which I understand), he also maintains his wife’s car and runs errands and covers any additional charges like parking fines. He also has the only ring doorbell app on his phone, so he gets an alert anyone knocks at the house.

He’s often there every day, sometimes quickly to pick something up, albeit usually when his ex is out at work, and he’ll often sit and watch a film and have lunch or dinner there - to keep his daughter company.

I totally understand that he wants to and should see his daughters and I totally understand that he wants to help his wife where necessary but I feel like it’s a lot and that he’s still very enmeshed with the family unit and the house.

Recently he said that his ex had become upset and that she thought they might get back together - he told me he’d assured her they wouldn’t.

Because of all that, I’ve said that I want him to sit down with his ex and clarify exactly what’s going on and that I think it’s time for him tell his daughters that he’s seeing me - but he’s said no.

He says they’ll always hate me because they’re close to their mum and won’t like the fact that he’s moved on. That there’s no point upsetting them unnecessarily because they’ll never meet me and I won’t be part of their lives.

He’s a fireman, and a few weeks ago he had a scary close call at work. He jokingly said to me after that if he’d died, I wouldn’t have been able to go to his funeral which really upset me.

I understand that he what’s to protect his daughters feelings and doesn’t want to look like the bad guy for leaving their mum, but after three years, I feel hurt and unimportant and like I’m his dirty secret and like he cares more about hurting their feelings than he does mine.

He’s saying I’ve got it all wrong, I’m thinking too much into it, and he’s effectively left his family and home for me and that should be enough and that proves how much he loves me. I feel very confused.

I’d love some advice please.

Thank you so much

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toomuchlaundry · 06/11/2021 10:25

@Sleepinghyena that is quite possible.

PissyMum · 06/11/2021 10:26

How do you know that his wife knows about you if you’ve never met her? You only have his word that she knows and considering the rest of the stuff he’s told you that you believe despite all evidence to the contrary I’d be pretty certain she has no clue at all.

Is there any way you could just pop round to his unannounced one night? I will eat my hat if he’s actually there rather than at home with his family.

A friend of mine had her husband rent a flat that he stayed in a few nights a week as it was more convenient for his night shifts, closer to work and meant he wasn’t waking up the whole family whenever he left/ came home. I bet he’s told his wife something similar, it’s convenient when he’s on call or whatever, and 90% of the time he’s still in his family home, all of whom are blissfully unaware.

You say you’ve met his friends, have you met any of his family at all? Work mates and friends are often perfectly happy to go along with meeting affair partners, family members not so much.

HeartsAndClubs · 06/11/2021 10:26

He isn’t still with his wife and she knows about me..

Of course she does. She knows that you and her husband are having an affair.Obviously that might not be the way you see it, but that’s the way it is.

I had a friend at school whose dad had an OW. Her mum knew, the kids knew, and I don’t know whether the woman had been spun a line about them or whether she was just that brazen, but she used to ring the house to speak to him, would come into the shop he owned to ask him for money, even to the point that if one of the DC answered she would say “hi It’s .”

And this went on for years. The first time friend told me about them was when we were about 10/11, and he kept on seeing her. At one point she dumped him and he crawled back to his wife, until she took him back.

Anyway when the youngest DD left school about 13 years later the wife finally divorced him. He and the OW moved in together, and after 6 months she binned him off.

Last time I spoke to friend she said he more or less spent all his time round her mum’s offering to help and do things for her etc, acting as if they were still married, but her mum eventually moved away.

I think it’s sad that A, some wives put up with being treated like that for so long, and B, that some OW are happy just to scoop up the crumbs when they’re thrown their way…

jackiebenimble · 06/11/2021 10:37

The only Reason his children would have a problem with you is that the parents act like they are still together. That is their doing and not yours.

They are clearly both very comfortable with the limbo set up. His retirement fund will be shared with them and not you. So its for you to decide what you are prepared to put up with. As you seem to be the only unhappy one in the situation.

The relationship isn't going anywhere. He's not concerned about that. So you accept it or move on.

People who separate but don't actually emotionally or practically separate carry on for years like this. If mum meets someone else the set up will soon change!

LIZS · 06/11/2021 10:38

@littlelokey

He isn’t still with his wife and she knows about me.. he just doesn’t want to tell his daughters because he doesn’t want to upset them
Even after 3 years he is hedging his bets. You diagnose mh issues in someone you have never met, on the basis of what he chooses to tell you. Who does he spend big occasions with , Christmas, Birthdays , holidays - or is he often "busy at work". Have you ever met his/their friends and his family? Do you socialise together? How close to his w do you live?
littlelokey · 06/11/2021 10:56

@LIZS he spends Christmas with his wife and kids and I spend it with my ex and kids - that’s my choice for my kids benefit. We spend the rest of Christmas together, we spend birthdays/valentines together and we see each other almost every day unless he’s working day shifts, if he’s doing a building job I often pop by for lunch. I’ve met all his friends, and his dad wife several times (my partners step mother), they live in Kent and we sometimes stay in a hotel nearby and see them for walks/lunch etc.

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littlelokey · 06/11/2021 11:23

@Sleepinghyena yes, almost every firefighter has another job

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rainbowstardrops · 06/11/2021 11:47

I don't understand why he refuses to tell his children when they're both in their 20s! I could understand a bit if they were very young but they're not.
The funeral comment was weird.

littlelokey · 06/11/2021 12:02

You and me both

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whistleryukon · 06/11/2021 12:11

I cannot believe that this man has managed to get you to go along with this shit, I'm sorry OP but I am so embarrassed for you. You need to do some massive work on your self-respect. At least the other woman in this situation is getting something out of this (all her house and car maintenance at the very least, and operating as part of a family unit). You've got nothing. He's got everything, the wife who makes his tea and sorts his life admin, the girlfriend to call round to see for sex and company when he's not busy, and everything all in neat little boxes.

littlelokey · 06/11/2021 12:25

Jeez why do people have to be so unkind and hurtful. I just asked for advice, not a character assassination. 😞

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TheChip · 06/11/2021 12:33

Sorry, OP Flowers have you managed to get some helpful advice from your post?

Ratonastick · 06/11/2021 12:34

Taking it at face value, I was in a similar situation. Known a man for a long time and knew his marriage blew up when his wife kicked him out as she was sick of it all. It was no secret that he was in the throes of divorce and was living apart from his wife. We had a relationship but he was determined to keep it a secret from the world, ostensibly to protect his grown up children. He was still very enmeshed with his wife after separation, though she had met someone new. It came to a head when I pushed back and said that I felt like a dirty secret and his bit on the side and we split. Within six months he’d met someone else (much younger, no surprise) and introduced her to everyone within weeks and was remarried almost immediately after the decree absolute. I was just the inbetweener and it still hurts that I was used so callously. I also have a great deal more sympathy and feeling for his wife than I did at the time.

Having said that, I agree with PPs that everything you describe smacks of someone who is still married and his wife knows about the affair but is trying to hold things together for the kids. I’d get out if this as fast as you can and never look back.

lovingnewme · 06/11/2021 12:53

Op are you ok being on the subs bench your whole relationship?

Your partner wouldn't even allow you to come to his funeral?

I'm sorry, I wouldn't find that acceptable - especially after 3 YEARS!

It sounds like he views you in your box - and he's happy to keep you there, looking after all his needs, and available to him whenever - you are not allowed out.

But most people want a richer relationship than that, and not to be kept in a box.
If you are happy in the box (doesn't sound like it) then stay. If not, I can't see him changing so you will need to leave him.

lovingnewme · 06/11/2021 12:55

@whistleryukon

I cannot believe that this man has managed to get you to go along with this shit, I'm sorry OP but I am so embarrassed for you. You need to do some massive work on your self-respect. At least the other woman in this situation is getting something out of this (all her house and car maintenance at the very least, and operating as part of a family unit). You've got nothing. He's got everything, the wife who makes his tea and sorts his life admin, the girlfriend to call round to see for sex and company when he's not busy, and everything all in neat little boxes.
Just read this.... YES about everything in neat boxes!
Onthedunes · 06/11/2021 13:05

What do you want to do about it op.

This is quite disturbing and as you can see others are quite rightly agashst at how you have been taken in.

You honestly don't have any idea of the real situation, his flat for instance, could just belong to a friend or a property he rents out in a portfolio. You have chosen to ignor all the signs of being an ow.

This man whose children and wife are anxiety ridden could be the most abusive man who has destroyed their mental health and you are complicit in that.

All of it is dreadful, the truth needs to come out, this man needs exposing, his wife needs someone to be honest to her, maybe her health will improve.

Such a sad situation and you have been used so badly.
Are you afraid of him, his temper.?

I can't see him having gotten away with this without being a bully.
Awful, lying deceitful man to everyone.

He even has his friends covering up for him, horrible man.

nannybeach · 06/11/2021 13:14

Is there any way you can find out if he's telling you the truth about ex wife,etc. Then you can decide if it's worth continuing. Although personally,it smacks of having his cake and eating it. The funeral part,a friend at work lived with this guy for 15 years,never married her,or unfortunately divorced the wife. He had a heart attack died suddenly,and she wasn't invited to the funeral

frozendaisy · 06/11/2021 13:19

Any relationship you need to keep 'secret' you shouldn't be in.

Tell him this.

See what he does. You should have more of an answer then.

littlelokey · 06/11/2021 13:19

I was with him when he resigned the lease on the flat, it’s not his friends. No, I’m not afraid of him - or his temper. Again I’m not sure why you have to be nasty to me, I’m not a bad person, i don’t think I’ve done anything wrong here. I was hoping for some friendly supportive advice that’s all. Thank you for responding

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littlelokey · 06/11/2021 13:20

I could call her, I know where she works but what’s the point. I’ve ended it

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hibye123 · 06/11/2021 13:21

I'm so sorry but this guy has hardly any respect for you (if any.) How far can your relationship really go if his kids NEVER meet you and you won't be apart of their life at all.
How can you be with someone for three years and they're saying you'll never meet their kids, that's definitely an eye opener.

He jokingly said to me after that if he’d died, I wouldn’t have been able to go to his funeral which really upset me

This one really takes the biscuit😕 he didn't say that 'jokingly' he really meant it because no one knows about you. You wouldn't be able to turn up saying 'oh I'm so and so's partner.' How horrible is that.

lunar1 · 06/11/2021 13:25

There has been a lot of supportive advice mixed in. I don't think that's what you wanted, you are only seeing the bits you want to in this situation and I think you wanted reassurance that this relationship is ok.

It really isn't. His daughters are old enough to understand adult relationships don't always work out.

You have no reason to 'know' he isn't sleeping with her. You are seeing the bits he picks to let you know about his life and treating them as gospel. For all practical purposes they are a married couple in an open marriage.

TheChip · 06/11/2021 13:27

Oh wow you have ended it. Good for you! How did he take it?
I hope you're okay

Onthedunes · 06/11/2021 13:29

@littlelokey

I was with him when he resigned the lease on the flat, it’s not his friends. No, I’m not afraid of him - or his temper. Again I’m not sure why you have to be nasty to me, I’m not a bad person, i don’t think I’ve done anything wrong here. I was hoping for some friendly supportive advice that’s all. Thank you for responding
This means nothing signing a lease, it could be a friend's property, I could do it myself with one of my contracts.

This man is a manipulator, controlling everything and everyone, you are the only one who can stop this abusive treatment to his family and to you.

You say you don't want to contact his wife as you have ended it, you could actually be saving this woman if you arm her with the truth.
The web of lies this man has constructed is astounding.

Give the wife some power back, he's gaslighting her to hell.

Fluffycloudland77 · 06/11/2021 13:39

I’d have £50 on the wife having no idea and thinking he’s away for work.

Dh has met friends girlfriends when they’ve had wives, he didn’t like it but he didn’t tell the wife or tell the gf he was married.