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ttc for a year - now he says I'm an abuser

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SnowWhite1985 · 27/08/2020 02:24

My partner and I have been together almost 6 years. We're both 35 (I'm almost 36). About a year and a half ago we took some time away from our relationship (temporarily) because I wanted kids and he didn't (at least for the foreseeable future). Prior to that he'd said he'd be ready in a year, and then the next year said can we wait another year etc. After getting fed up of this, I told him that he needed to tell me straight what he wanted because I didn't think I'd be able to sacrifice having kids to be with him if he didn't want kids. When we were apart (it lasted a couple of months), he spent a lot of time with one of my close female friends, who has a young daughter. He hadn't wanted to split/take time apart, and after spending time with my friend he sent me all these messages begging me to get back together. He said he wanted kids with me so badly and that spending time with this woman and her daughter had made him realise how much he wants to be a dad. He said he was just scared about being a good dad and he wanted us to be in the best position we could be to be parents. At the time the only two friends I told about this thought it was manipulative, as he did a 360 going from "I'm absolutely not ready to have kids right now" to "it's my dream to have kids and please don't take that away from me it's all I want and I want it with you". He said to me that I had taken away his dreams and that his dream was to have kids with me. So we reconciled.

We started ttc almost immediately after that. I started doing all sorts of tests, researching etc to give us the best chance. I have low AMH but all my other tests came back normal. He was reluctant to get tests. He was supposed to be getting sperm tests but put it off and hasn't done it yet. He didn't give me any emotional support or take any interest in my tests etc but I didn't think that was a massive red flag - it just felt a bit lonely so I turned to the wonderful ttc boards on here for support.

Anyway, this month we missed the first two days of my fertile window. My partner - as soon as he knew it was my fertile window - said he was struggling to cope and had to focus on work. He barely talked to me for a couple of days. I asked him if we could try to conceive at least once this cycle and he got upset with me saying he had to prioritise work. After I asked him again what was up and if something bad had happened at work, he said he doesn't want kids right now and that he has to focus on work and can't cope with the pressure of doing "both". I asked what he meant by "doing both" and he said his work and a relationship. He said he never wanted to ttc, but that he thought it was the only way we'd stay together because being "just us" would never be enough for me. He said he wants kids in the (distant) future but not anytime soon because the timing isn't right. He said he can't even focus on our relationship right now never mind kids because he has to focus on work.

Earlier tonight we had a big argument. I was feeling particularly emotional because it's close to my ovulation and it felt like such a missed opportunity. I feel like I'm losing time to ever have kids. And he was barely talking to me which felt like some sort of punishment. In any event, I started off really quite calm, but then I got incredibly upset because he wouldn't look at me and he wouldn't say what he wants or how he feels or where we stand. So I just got more and more frustrated. He ended up not saying very much and I just got upset and talked about my feelings a lot. I did give him plenty of time to talk but then it was just incredibly long, awkward silences. What he did say was that he feels that this relationship was a means to an end for me and that I'm only with him because I want kids. I said isn't it normal to want a family with the person you love and who you're in a long-term committed relationship with? But he said it hurts him that he'll never be enough for me and that I prioritise having kids above our relationship. He said I've made it a condition on us being together and he can't deal with that.

As it became clear to me that he doesn't actually want kids, I said that what he said to me a year ago now felt misleading, and that I felt like he's been stringing me along when it wasn't really what he wanted. He says he meant it at the time but that his feelings fluctuate from day to day. He said sometimes he feels fine with ttc in theory and other times he doesn't and he said in practice it makes him feel physically sick because I'm ready for it and he's not. He wouldn't say when he'd be ready, if ever. I then asked him to describe his ideal life scenario over the next 5-10 years if there were no rush or fertility issues. How he wanted life to be. He then proceeded to describe where he would live, work, success in professional life etc and didn't even mention me or kids.

Anyway, we then took a bit of a time out as he said he didn't know how he felt about me or about having kids with me and that he needed time to think. I just got more and more upset with the silence and the lack of answers. So I went to the kitchen to do the dishes and ended up breaking down sobbing then I threw a glass at the wall. He was upstairs at the time so nowhere nearby. He then told me to leave as he couldn't stand to look at me but I proceeded to clean up the glass. Once I finished cleaning it he said I'm an abusive and violent partner. He asked me again to leave and said he couldn't even look at me right now. So I left. I'm staying in a hotel last night. We live together but I bought the house we stay in - so technically if anyone should leave it should be him. But I also felt really ashamed.

I still have no answers and I haven't heard from him since. He says he definitely wants to be with me but he'd rather it be "just us" for the foreseeable future (or forever because by then it would be too late for me to have kids anyway, which he acknowledges). I suppose he is right to say that I've made our relationship conditional on us having kids. But I don't think it's fair for him to ask or expect me to give up ever having kids just because he doesn't want them right now. He also pointed out that time isn't an issue for him as he can likely have kids into his 50s - so this is an issue for me not him.

In summary, it's all a big fat horrible mess. The conversation, which lasted for hours, was really distressing for me. But I don't feel like he's listened to, or will even acknowledge, anything I've said now - because I threw the glass and I'm now the abuser. I just can't see how we could go from actively ttc a few days ago to this now.

At the same time I feel like I already knew all of this deep down and none of it was a surprise to me. He already showed all of this before he begged me for us to reconcile last time. His actions throughout the ttc also showed me that but I chose to believe his earlier words, which didn't match his actions.

I don't think I do want to be with him if he doesn't want kids with me. I've always thought of relationships as a (potential) family, rather than just being about two people. He seems to think I have to put him first before everything and not want anything myself. I made it clear from when we first met that having a big family was really important to me.

It all feels horrible because now he's acting like I was using him to have kids because that's all that's on my one track mind and it was some sort of plan of mine from the start to use him as a means to an end. He actually said that the relationship was just a means to an end for me and that all I wanted was kids. And he's saying I'm abusive and violent so as to avoid acknowledging any responsibility for his own action. It's like me throwing the glass cancels out everything I've been through for the last few years. Before I threw the glass he acknowledged he'd never been there for me emotionally but said he just didn't have the bandwidth for a relationship most of the time as he can only concentrate and expend energy on one thing (work).

I've found it all incredibly unsettling - I'm starting to feel like I was responsible for this entire argument when in fact he initiated it by completely changing his mind about ttc. I feel so guilty for smashing the glass. He wouldn't look at me afterwards and told me not to come near him or even think about touching him. I felt horrible.

I know we won't talk for a few days at least, possibly weeks, because that's the way he is whenever we have a disagreement. When anything is difficult emotionally he retreats and I'm left wondering where I stand for ages.

But I think the relationship is over. I'm finding it difficult to separate my feelings regarding the relationship from the grief I feel about not becoming a mother anytime in the near future, or perhaps ever at all. It feels like more lost years and that time really is running out for me to ever have children. He's been incredibly distant recently but I just put up with it and tried to focus on other things because I was grateful we were finally ttc. I feel like he's taken that last bit of hope away from me. And so I threw a glass.

OP posts:
RinderTinderNotRinderGrinder · 27/08/2020 06:04

This was so sad to read. He clearly strung you along in the hopes you’d give up on it. He’s horrible. It’s not abusive to break a glass alone in a room as an isolated incident. He wasn’t there to feel frightened it was going to hit him. It was an outburst and not a great one, but it wasn’t abuse.

Go home today and tell him your night away has given you plenty of time to think. You both want different things out of this relationship and it just isn’t working for you anymore.

Since it’s your house you want him to move out immediately. He can pack up the things he needs and you can arrange to let him pick the rest of his things up at the weekend.

If he tells you he thinks that’s unfair as you’re abusive, say that if he really believed that he would be relieved to go and you’re tired of his manipulations.

Take your life back, have a baby on your own and be happy.

I know someone who had a baby with a friend and it worked out really well, but there is always the risk of complications.

Get rid of this millstone around your neck and have the family you want.

Fizzysours · 27/08/2020 06:16

OP this man is incredibly manipulative and selfish. You proved you could get by just fine without him and he LIED his way back in...and he accuses YOU of manipulation? Get him out of your house and yes, you can have a baby alone. This loser would probably ditch you with a newborn and you'd be stuck with arranging contact for 18 years.

LilyLongJohn · 27/08/2020 06:18

The relationship is over, but don't beat yourself up over it. You're not abusive ir violent, your frustrated and upset about being strung along for years by someone who's too selfish to let you go so you can be a mum. Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if he was doing this as he's got a nice cushy life with you and a free house to live in, he doesn't want to give that up.

In the morning, dust yourself off, go home, tell him it's over and set a date for him to leave. It's your house and he has no right to stay in it.

If he brings up the glass, tell him not to be so ridiculous and repeat he leaves on x date .

Use your time to research spermatozoon donation etc

Rebelwithallthecause · 27/08/2020 06:32

You are not abusive

He is manipulative

Get rid and don’t look back

Rachie1973 · 27/08/2020 06:40

He’s a prick. Go back to your house and start planning your life!

Persipan · 27/08/2020 06:43

Ring him up (or better yet, text him) and tell him to GTFO of your house, and book a consultation at a fertility clinic to talk about going it alone. (My going-it-alone baby is snoozing under my armpit right now.)

Without wanting to sound like a prophet of doom, I would crack on if you want to go for it - I was in my late 30s when I started and it became quite complex and took a considerable length of time to get to this point.

Best of luck!

LookAtTheCahhOlivahhhhh · 27/08/2020 06:46

@Whenwillthisbeover

Seriously OP, the biggest clue in all this is that you left YOUR house in his instruction as he didn’t want to be around you.

Big fat no. The relationship is over and he needs to be gone today with all his things by lunchtime.

Please change the locks and block him.

This. Get rid and get him out of your house before you change your mind.

You're worth much more than a wastrel.

Friendsoftheearth · 27/08/2020 06:49

Go home and ask him to pack his bags op, organise for the locksmith to come and change every door, and change your passwords and ensure all of your finances and security is in order.

This man has deliberately misled you to believe he had experienced a change of heart, but there was no change of heart, he was running down the clock and hoping you could stay together.

DO NOT have children with men that have no wish or desire to be parents, it will damage your children for a life time - I should know.

Explore ways to becomes a mother as soon as you can, leave him behind. You have been very honest with him, it is shame that he has not been honest with you. Move on as quickly as you can, it is not too late.

Redred2429 · 27/08/2020 06:54

Op this is such a difficult situation for you but you need to go home to your house tomorrow and ask him to leave you shouldn't be staying in a hotel

Queenoftheashes · 27/08/2020 06:59

He’ll carry on like this if you let him, manipulating you but keeping you thinking he’s going to TTC eventually until he runs down the clock.
Get him the fuck out of your house and get a sperm donor. Live your life and don’t let this cocklodger dictate anything ever again. He’s a prick. He’s accused you of being an abuser when actually he manipulated you into taking him back saying he wanted kids when he didn’t and naturally you have eventually realised this and become distraught. Get him to fuck.

smartiecake · 27/08/2020 07:00

He really has been playing you for a long time. Even the silent treatment and ignoring you is no way to be together and not the sort of man to have a child with, you would be doing it all on your own then.
You don't need him, and he certainly isn't offering you what you want for the future.
Look on today as the start of the new phase in your life. Get rid of him, although expect some drama but you don't have to engage with his bullshit. And as others have said look into having a baby on your own. Do you have friends and family that can come round and be with you when he is leaving? I would have some emotional support there.
Good luck Flowers

Queenoftheashes · 27/08/2020 07:00

And when you were upset he’s made you the villain and stolen your house when he’s totally responsible for all this and obviously doesn’t give a shit that you’re upset! I’d like to knock him out.

rorosemary · 27/08/2020 07:11

Just a word of warning: he will try and persuade you again. Do not explain yourself or discuss it or defend yourself. He will use anything he can to get you to stay. Do not talk about it, there is nothing to doscuss. Do not listen to pleas where he will suddenly ttc in a month ir two, you now know he doesn't mean it. It's over and he needs to get out.

rorosemary · 27/08/2020 07:14

I'd also like to add that I saw this scenario a couple of times in my thirties, where women were persuaded to wait with children or to choose love over kids or whatever. You know what happened afterwards? The men then decided that they did want kids but since she was now too old they left and had kids with younger women. One even had the bloody cheeck to say it was all her fault for discussing kids years earlier so it was her fault he left.

Do not, ever, give up your wish for children for a man. In my experience it has never been worth it.

raspberrylimoncello · 27/08/2020 07:15

Oh lovely. Reading your post I can only say that I understand just how hard it is to want to become a Mum and the raw emotions that it brings up can be so hard. My DP and I have been TTC for 6 years with IVF so I do understand your pain and frustration particularly as a woman as you hear your biological clock ticking!

Just to follow up on what some other posters here have said, I think he sounds like he is unable to have any kind of adult conversation with you, so you throwing the glass was a bit of a gift to him because it's given him the "get out" ticket to be able to ignore you for a few weeks.

Ignoring someone for days and weeks is a form of abuse I believe and I don't know anybody could do this to someone they love time and time again.

Please OP, recognise that if this man cannot offer you the emotional support and security you need, he won't be able to do it for your children and this will have lasting consequences.

As other posters have said, you can consider other alternatives on your own. I know ladies who have gone down the donor sperm route and they are perfectly happy...

A bad relationship will drain your energy more than a baby will!

OhWhatAPalaver · 27/08/2020 07:25

Throwing a glass while he wasn't even anywhere near is not abusive. That's absurd. You were angry and upset and it's totally understandable. What an awful situation he's put you in. Go home, tell him to leave and take your house back off this manipulative man. Get rid, let the dust settle and then you can decide on whether you want to have a baby by donor or not. It does sound like your best option at this point though. Definitely do not get back with this man though. He's lied to you for so long.

PicsInRed · 27/08/2020 07:26

Some men do seem to want to waste a woman's fertile years ... then move on to a fertile woman. Why? God knows. But these men exist and he sounds like one of them.

You smashed a glass because he's been headfucking you and you lost it - look up abuser profile "the headworker".

Regardless of the above, he'll never change. Freeze your eggs, dump the time waster.

Takethebullbth · 27/08/2020 07:33

@Queenoftheashes. Same here, I’m irate for op. Nasty prick.

Shoxfordian · 27/08/2020 07:33

Go home and get him out of your house, he's a waste of your time.

rorosemary · 27/08/2020 07:34

I see the freezing eggs is given. A word of warning: most eggs do not develop into blasts, most blasts die off. I've had ivf twice, with around 15 eggs taken out of me in total. 5 developed into blasts, 2 made me pregnant, only one pregnancy was viable. Just one pregnancy while I started with 15 eggs! Seeing egg freezing as a safe option to save your fertility is a bit dangerous. Freezing blasts would give you better chances. Tbh I'd just go it alone if I were you since you already know that you're okay with that.

Saracen · 27/08/2020 07:37

He also pointed out that time isn't an issue for him as he can likely have kids into his 50s - so this is an issue for me not him.

That comment indicates that he doesn't see your futures together. He doesn't particularly want to be with you. What on earth does that mean, he could have kids into his 50s? He can't do that if you, his partner, are no longer fertile when he's in his 50s.

He's saying that there's no hurry for him because if, after stringing you along for years, he later changes his mind and wants kids, he can just leave you and take up with a young woman so he can have kids after all. What a kick in the teeth that would be! This is his actual plan, and he isn't ashamed to say so??!

Endlessmizzle · 27/08/2020 07:44

@Saracen

He also pointed out that time isn't an issue for him as he can likely have kids into his 50s - so this is an issue for me not him.

That comment indicates that he doesn't see your futures together. He doesn't particularly want to be with you. What on earth does that mean, he could have kids into his 50s? He can't do that if you, his partner, are no longer fertile when he's in his 50s.

He's saying that there's no hurry for him because if, after stringing you along for years, he later changes his mind and wants kids, he can just leave you and take up with a young woman so he can have kids after all. What a kick in the teeth that would be! This is his actual plan, and he isn't ashamed to say so??!

This!!!!
TwentyViginti · 27/08/2020 07:45

He wants your house and his home comforts, and to always be number 1 in your life. He knows having a baby will put a stop to that.

If you agree to stop ttc to keep him, in a couple of years he'll move on anyway, and have kids with a younger woman. This scenario is very common. sadly.

BringMeTea · 27/08/2020 07:46

The sooner you leave this horrible dickhead the sooner you will have the chance to find another way to have a child should you so wish. Don't delay. Good luck.

mamakena · 27/08/2020 07:47

Yeah, it's so not about him wanting or not wanting kids. You're in a toxic relationship with a toxic time-waster and future-faker. Pls realize the drama is all emotional manipulation. These types get off on such power trips. It can literally make you crazy. Thank goodness you didn't concieve, you've dodged a huge bullet.