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ttc for a year - now he says I'm an abuser

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SnowWhite1985 · 27/08/2020 02:24

My partner and I have been together almost 6 years. We're both 35 (I'm almost 36). About a year and a half ago we took some time away from our relationship (temporarily) because I wanted kids and he didn't (at least for the foreseeable future). Prior to that he'd said he'd be ready in a year, and then the next year said can we wait another year etc. After getting fed up of this, I told him that he needed to tell me straight what he wanted because I didn't think I'd be able to sacrifice having kids to be with him if he didn't want kids. When we were apart (it lasted a couple of months), he spent a lot of time with one of my close female friends, who has a young daughter. He hadn't wanted to split/take time apart, and after spending time with my friend he sent me all these messages begging me to get back together. He said he wanted kids with me so badly and that spending time with this woman and her daughter had made him realise how much he wants to be a dad. He said he was just scared about being a good dad and he wanted us to be in the best position we could be to be parents. At the time the only two friends I told about this thought it was manipulative, as he did a 360 going from "I'm absolutely not ready to have kids right now" to "it's my dream to have kids and please don't take that away from me it's all I want and I want it with you". He said to me that I had taken away his dreams and that his dream was to have kids with me. So we reconciled.

We started ttc almost immediately after that. I started doing all sorts of tests, researching etc to give us the best chance. I have low AMH but all my other tests came back normal. He was reluctant to get tests. He was supposed to be getting sperm tests but put it off and hasn't done it yet. He didn't give me any emotional support or take any interest in my tests etc but I didn't think that was a massive red flag - it just felt a bit lonely so I turned to the wonderful ttc boards on here for support.

Anyway, this month we missed the first two days of my fertile window. My partner - as soon as he knew it was my fertile window - said he was struggling to cope and had to focus on work. He barely talked to me for a couple of days. I asked him if we could try to conceive at least once this cycle and he got upset with me saying he had to prioritise work. After I asked him again what was up and if something bad had happened at work, he said he doesn't want kids right now and that he has to focus on work and can't cope with the pressure of doing "both". I asked what he meant by "doing both" and he said his work and a relationship. He said he never wanted to ttc, but that he thought it was the only way we'd stay together because being "just us" would never be enough for me. He said he wants kids in the (distant) future but not anytime soon because the timing isn't right. He said he can't even focus on our relationship right now never mind kids because he has to focus on work.

Earlier tonight we had a big argument. I was feeling particularly emotional because it's close to my ovulation and it felt like such a missed opportunity. I feel like I'm losing time to ever have kids. And he was barely talking to me which felt like some sort of punishment. In any event, I started off really quite calm, but then I got incredibly upset because he wouldn't look at me and he wouldn't say what he wants or how he feels or where we stand. So I just got more and more frustrated. He ended up not saying very much and I just got upset and talked about my feelings a lot. I did give him plenty of time to talk but then it was just incredibly long, awkward silences. What he did say was that he feels that this relationship was a means to an end for me and that I'm only with him because I want kids. I said isn't it normal to want a family with the person you love and who you're in a long-term committed relationship with? But he said it hurts him that he'll never be enough for me and that I prioritise having kids above our relationship. He said I've made it a condition on us being together and he can't deal with that.

As it became clear to me that he doesn't actually want kids, I said that what he said to me a year ago now felt misleading, and that I felt like he's been stringing me along when it wasn't really what he wanted. He says he meant it at the time but that his feelings fluctuate from day to day. He said sometimes he feels fine with ttc in theory and other times he doesn't and he said in practice it makes him feel physically sick because I'm ready for it and he's not. He wouldn't say when he'd be ready, if ever. I then asked him to describe his ideal life scenario over the next 5-10 years if there were no rush or fertility issues. How he wanted life to be. He then proceeded to describe where he would live, work, success in professional life etc and didn't even mention me or kids.

Anyway, we then took a bit of a time out as he said he didn't know how he felt about me or about having kids with me and that he needed time to think. I just got more and more upset with the silence and the lack of answers. So I went to the kitchen to do the dishes and ended up breaking down sobbing then I threw a glass at the wall. He was upstairs at the time so nowhere nearby. He then told me to leave as he couldn't stand to look at me but I proceeded to clean up the glass. Once I finished cleaning it he said I'm an abusive and violent partner. He asked me again to leave and said he couldn't even look at me right now. So I left. I'm staying in a hotel last night. We live together but I bought the house we stay in - so technically if anyone should leave it should be him. But I also felt really ashamed.

I still have no answers and I haven't heard from him since. He says he definitely wants to be with me but he'd rather it be "just us" for the foreseeable future (or forever because by then it would be too late for me to have kids anyway, which he acknowledges). I suppose he is right to say that I've made our relationship conditional on us having kids. But I don't think it's fair for him to ask or expect me to give up ever having kids just because he doesn't want them right now. He also pointed out that time isn't an issue for him as he can likely have kids into his 50s - so this is an issue for me not him.

In summary, it's all a big fat horrible mess. The conversation, which lasted for hours, was really distressing for me. But I don't feel like he's listened to, or will even acknowledge, anything I've said now - because I threw the glass and I'm now the abuser. I just can't see how we could go from actively ttc a few days ago to this now.

At the same time I feel like I already knew all of this deep down and none of it was a surprise to me. He already showed all of this before he begged me for us to reconcile last time. His actions throughout the ttc also showed me that but I chose to believe his earlier words, which didn't match his actions.

I don't think I do want to be with him if he doesn't want kids with me. I've always thought of relationships as a (potential) family, rather than just being about two people. He seems to think I have to put him first before everything and not want anything myself. I made it clear from when we first met that having a big family was really important to me.

It all feels horrible because now he's acting like I was using him to have kids because that's all that's on my one track mind and it was some sort of plan of mine from the start to use him as a means to an end. He actually said that the relationship was just a means to an end for me and that all I wanted was kids. And he's saying I'm abusive and violent so as to avoid acknowledging any responsibility for his own action. It's like me throwing the glass cancels out everything I've been through for the last few years. Before I threw the glass he acknowledged he'd never been there for me emotionally but said he just didn't have the bandwidth for a relationship most of the time as he can only concentrate and expend energy on one thing (work).

I've found it all incredibly unsettling - I'm starting to feel like I was responsible for this entire argument when in fact he initiated it by completely changing his mind about ttc. I feel so guilty for smashing the glass. He wouldn't look at me afterwards and told me not to come near him or even think about touching him. I felt horrible.

I know we won't talk for a few days at least, possibly weeks, because that's the way he is whenever we have a disagreement. When anything is difficult emotionally he retreats and I'm left wondering where I stand for ages.

But I think the relationship is over. I'm finding it difficult to separate my feelings regarding the relationship from the grief I feel about not becoming a mother anytime in the near future, or perhaps ever at all. It feels like more lost years and that time really is running out for me to ever have children. He's been incredibly distant recently but I just put up with it and tried to focus on other things because I was grateful we were finally ttc. I feel like he's taken that last bit of hope away from me. And so I threw a glass.

OP posts:
ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 18:01

@RyanBergarasTeeth Flowers

How nasty of your DP to blame you. He agreed to ttc, but when he got cold feet, instead of manning up & discussing it with you honestly, he decided to paint you as the villain.

I hope you & OP remove these men from your lives, & go on to have the children you want. As pp have said, DIY conception would be better than putting up with their manipulative ways.

ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 18:16

[quote oakleaffy]@SnowWhite1985
With donor, the child may wonder for ever who his or her father is.
It is a fundamental need for people to know ''Who they are''.

The not knowing can really affect them.

At least find a donor who you know about, so the child knows who his or her father is.

I do know a Donor who said he donated ''and would have nothing whatsoever to do with the DC, they would be their mother's sole responsibility {he has two donor DC with one mother } ....but he has been a better dad to them IMO than many 'married dads'.

It is important to think of it from the DC's point of view... Please don't lose sight of that.[/quote]
FFS @oakleaffy, who are you to issue instructions about how OP "ought" to conceive?

Don't you feel she's got enough upset on her plate right now without wading through yet another controlling lecture about how she is allowed to manage her own fertility?

ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 18:26

@Inpeace

Concentrating on the actions and not the words or feelings - given you agreed to ttc

If you had both agreed to get a new house you’d be on Rightmove regularly so as not to miss any opportunities.

Or you might be the type of couple where one does all the researching and the other joins in for viewings - given you have the same goal

If one person does neither then there is no new house

On the subject of his feelings, hurtful words and deviating from goals - ttc when there feels like a
Time imperative is difficult it’s Possible he’s switching to bail out, maybe feeing like a failure as it’s not happened yet could lead to him self soothing by deciding he doesn’t want it anyway or it’s just not meant to be etc. Then you will leave him and it’s all your fault

Maybe he’s worried about the sperm test identifying a problem and that you would then leave him as he can’t give you your ultimate goal

I would say remind him of your commitment to him and that ‘project family’ is about building in your 6 years together as a team for the future and that your first and only choice is to do that with him (assuming it is)

Tell him how far you would go to achieve this with him (sperm and Or egg donar ivf surrogate)

Ask if he is happy to work towards creating this family together as he has always indicated - how far would he go? Sperm count, ivf, adoption, fostering ..... what?

Remind him that as a couple if he is committed to you and your joint family project he would respect your biological time line as it’s a feature of your ‘team’ - it is not your choice, you being a brat a control freak or an abuser!

Imagine he was right there with you charting and hitting that fertile window and the all interventions after what if none of that works and you still are without a child do you still want to be with him - he thinks not and he feel out of control of his own destiny.

So
If his sperm test result is poor what will you do - leave? Want to agree how to solve the problem together?

How on earth have you missed the entire point of OP's thread - that he DOES NOT WANT CHILDREN, & HAS BEEN LYING ABOUT IT?
ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 18:35

@Howallergic

Posters, be careful what you're advising here. You're advising an obsessed woman, who has enough of a temper to throw a glass at a wall, has done enough for her partner to call her abusive, has felt guilty enough to move out of her own house - to go on, just have a baby!
The Handmaidens have arrived, & we're only 6 pages in.

How is it "obsessive" to be a 35 year old woman in a LTR who wishes to have a baby, has communicated this clearly to her partner, & has been proceeding on his assurance (lies) that he also wants a child?

Throwing a glass in her own kitchen with nobody else present wasn't "temper", it was overwhelming emotion at being manipulated, lied to, & deliberately cheated of several years of a narrowing fertility window.

The fact that a lying cocklodger called her "abusive" doesn't mean she is. Quite the reverse - it's more of his manipulation, with an unhealthy side order of projection.

& it wasn't guilt that pushed her out of her own house. That was her DP, who has long-term form for controlling her by stonewalling. Enough reason in itself for him to be dumped & evicted, even without his gaslighting bullshit about TTC.

ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 18:41

I have a slightly different view to PP about the smashed glass though. I think he was OTT to call you violent and abuser for doing it, but had it been the other way round and he'd thrown it, the MN massive would be calling him all sorts of names. Whether aimed at a person or aimed at a wall, throwing something in anger that dangerously smashes can be intimidating.

I'm not the MN massive, but whether by man or woman, I wouldn't call a one-off occurrence by someone who has the self-control to ensure they were alone in the room when smashing their own possession - as a response to the final exposure of years of manipulation & lies - intimidating.

I'd call them at the end of their tether.
If it were habitual, that would be another matter.

ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 18:46

@Howallergic

I didn't call her abusive, her boyfriend did. Given that we only have her versions of events, where she does admit to lets call it a wee bit of throwing a tantrum, then I'm inclined to be with the BF. Especially given the obsession with having a baby that she clearly has.
Great. Why don't you pm the OP & ask for his number?
picklemewalnuts · 27/06/2021 18:49

Wow, Snowwhite, what a journey! Well done you. I'm glad you are free and starting to rebuild!

ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 18:51

He said that any woman who has a baby on their own is selfish as that's putting herself before the child

Lovely - so he's not just a stonewaller, a liar & a gaslighter, he's a howling chauvinist as well.

WTF is it to him, & what planet is he living on?

ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 18:58

@Persipan

It's the fact that the owner felt bad enough to leave her own house which suggests to me that what she has done is more than what she has admitted to here. It suggests to me that she's been subject to such guilt-trippy weirdness that leaving her own house seemed like the right thing to do. It also suggests to me a generosity of spirit of the part of the OP that her partner seems to be taking considerable advantage of. And which isn't generally a hallmark of abusers.
Perspicacious, Persipan Star

There's either some serious internalised misogyny or some rather hairy hands popping up here & there in this thread.

Ilovechocolatecoins · 27/06/2021 19:05

I was in your shoes and wanted kids and my partner didn’t. Less than 2 years later I met someone new and have 2 kids. I am so glad this happened.Get it out now. He is a man child. It’s an overwhelming feeling to want children, you can’t help it. None of this is your fault.

Fluffycloudland77 · 27/06/2021 19:11

Ffs read the update she left him, he went full on stalker and had police involved 🙄.

You’re well off out of it @SnowWhite1985.

billy1966 · 27/06/2021 19:15

OP,
Have just your posts and I was relieved that you finished things.
He read as a very nasty piece of work and I am not surprised at all that he turned out to be as headcase.
Thank god you are not tied to him.
You had a very lucky escape.

I wish you the very best, you sound like a lovely young woman.
Flowers

ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 19:27

He said he would be ready to try to conceive in 6 months and he just needed to work through some things at work first to get in a better position to have kids.
Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

& ... BINGO!
He's so utterly transparent in is bullshit it's ludicrous.

ForeverAintEnough3 · 27/06/2021 19:36

Nice to hear your update @SnowWhite1985 and sorry for how horrific he turned out to be. I hope you are safe now and it’s great you got away from him. Im ok the infertility board and there are some lovely ladies going it alone. Whenever you are ready to make that move definitely post and you’ll get lots of support.

ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 19:37

Then he said he was doing this to try and help me be a better parent.

I ... he ... No. I just can't.

The arrogant, patronising, delusional, mansplaining ARSEHOLE.

Snow, PP upthread referenced your good nature.
Please don't allow him to exploit it further by letting him continue cocklodging while giving you this appalling load of old wank.

I've read between the lines of many of your updates, & perceive an intelligent, thoughtful & honest person. Please deploy that intelligence now, & for your own wellbeing, make his notice period no longer than 48 hours.

Just because you've had years together, you don't owe him a roof. he's using this time to neg & verbally punish you.

At a pinch, he can go & stay with your 'friend' til he sorts out new lodgings, can't he ...? Get him on his bike, he's bad for your mental health.

ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 19:52

@Zerorightanswers

Can people please read the dates on these threads??
I know Zero, but was so focused on the thursday-to-saturday timeline that i totally missed that the thread's a borderline Zombie.

It was only last year though. Hope OP is doing well.

LizzieW1969 · 27/06/2021 19:58

No, the OP herself updated the thread, with a lot of detail about how things are for her now. It’s on the previous page.

LizzieW1969 · 27/06/2021 20:02

You did very well to get out of the relationship, OP, and you seem to be doing really well now. Flowers

ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 20:06

Then, after a few months of hearing nothing from him, he began incessantly contacting me, begging me to get back together with him. I said no and then blocked him so he couldnt contact me on social media etc. At which point he started emailing me threats and stalking me. Threats escalated to the point where I was genuinely afraid I was going to become one of those cases on the news where I was killed by an ex partner. He had this whole I can’t live without you attitude and was super aggressive and threatening. Got extra security, police were involved etc. I’m hoping it has finally stopped as I haven’t heard anything from him for around 2 months.
I got counselling to work through some of the issues - mostly how I would keep beating myself up about being with him in the first place. I didn’t even like him when I met him. But he ended up being what I thought was a good friend as he helped me with a few things. Then he threw it all back in my face and felt entitled to date me. Looking back, I knew it was wrong at the time. All the warning signs were there. So I have been quite hard on myself for getting myself into that situation in the first place.

Snow, I didn't realise the timeline quickly enough, apologies, & am so pleased to see your update :)

Upthread, I referenced reading between the lines of your posts.
I suspected there was a hell of a lot more going on than the TTC lies, & was fairly convinced that he'd start "hoovering" you at some point.

What a rollercoaster you've been on.

You strike me as a contemplative & analytical mind. Given that, & what you've endured from Mr "Teach You How To Be A Better Parent", (gggggrrrrr) I think you'd find Lundy Bancroft's book interesting, supportive & instructive - www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Does-He-That-Controlling/dp/0425191656?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Congratulations on ejecting him from your life & taking the smart steps to keep him out of it. I am raising a Wine to you xx

chickenyhead · 27/06/2021 20:31

Well done OP xx

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