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ttc for a year - now he says I'm an abuser

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SnowWhite1985 · 27/08/2020 02:24

My partner and I have been together almost 6 years. We're both 35 (I'm almost 36). About a year and a half ago we took some time away from our relationship (temporarily) because I wanted kids and he didn't (at least for the foreseeable future). Prior to that he'd said he'd be ready in a year, and then the next year said can we wait another year etc. After getting fed up of this, I told him that he needed to tell me straight what he wanted because I didn't think I'd be able to sacrifice having kids to be with him if he didn't want kids. When we were apart (it lasted a couple of months), he spent a lot of time with one of my close female friends, who has a young daughter. He hadn't wanted to split/take time apart, and after spending time with my friend he sent me all these messages begging me to get back together. He said he wanted kids with me so badly and that spending time with this woman and her daughter had made him realise how much he wants to be a dad. He said he was just scared about being a good dad and he wanted us to be in the best position we could be to be parents. At the time the only two friends I told about this thought it was manipulative, as he did a 360 going from "I'm absolutely not ready to have kids right now" to "it's my dream to have kids and please don't take that away from me it's all I want and I want it with you". He said to me that I had taken away his dreams and that his dream was to have kids with me. So we reconciled.

We started ttc almost immediately after that. I started doing all sorts of tests, researching etc to give us the best chance. I have low AMH but all my other tests came back normal. He was reluctant to get tests. He was supposed to be getting sperm tests but put it off and hasn't done it yet. He didn't give me any emotional support or take any interest in my tests etc but I didn't think that was a massive red flag - it just felt a bit lonely so I turned to the wonderful ttc boards on here for support.

Anyway, this month we missed the first two days of my fertile window. My partner - as soon as he knew it was my fertile window - said he was struggling to cope and had to focus on work. He barely talked to me for a couple of days. I asked him if we could try to conceive at least once this cycle and he got upset with me saying he had to prioritise work. After I asked him again what was up and if something bad had happened at work, he said he doesn't want kids right now and that he has to focus on work and can't cope with the pressure of doing "both". I asked what he meant by "doing both" and he said his work and a relationship. He said he never wanted to ttc, but that he thought it was the only way we'd stay together because being "just us" would never be enough for me. He said he wants kids in the (distant) future but not anytime soon because the timing isn't right. He said he can't even focus on our relationship right now never mind kids because he has to focus on work.

Earlier tonight we had a big argument. I was feeling particularly emotional because it's close to my ovulation and it felt like such a missed opportunity. I feel like I'm losing time to ever have kids. And he was barely talking to me which felt like some sort of punishment. In any event, I started off really quite calm, but then I got incredibly upset because he wouldn't look at me and he wouldn't say what he wants or how he feels or where we stand. So I just got more and more frustrated. He ended up not saying very much and I just got upset and talked about my feelings a lot. I did give him plenty of time to talk but then it was just incredibly long, awkward silences. What he did say was that he feels that this relationship was a means to an end for me and that I'm only with him because I want kids. I said isn't it normal to want a family with the person you love and who you're in a long-term committed relationship with? But he said it hurts him that he'll never be enough for me and that I prioritise having kids above our relationship. He said I've made it a condition on us being together and he can't deal with that.

As it became clear to me that he doesn't actually want kids, I said that what he said to me a year ago now felt misleading, and that I felt like he's been stringing me along when it wasn't really what he wanted. He says he meant it at the time but that his feelings fluctuate from day to day. He said sometimes he feels fine with ttc in theory and other times he doesn't and he said in practice it makes him feel physically sick because I'm ready for it and he's not. He wouldn't say when he'd be ready, if ever. I then asked him to describe his ideal life scenario over the next 5-10 years if there were no rush or fertility issues. How he wanted life to be. He then proceeded to describe where he would live, work, success in professional life etc and didn't even mention me or kids.

Anyway, we then took a bit of a time out as he said he didn't know how he felt about me or about having kids with me and that he needed time to think. I just got more and more upset with the silence and the lack of answers. So I went to the kitchen to do the dishes and ended up breaking down sobbing then I threw a glass at the wall. He was upstairs at the time so nowhere nearby. He then told me to leave as he couldn't stand to look at me but I proceeded to clean up the glass. Once I finished cleaning it he said I'm an abusive and violent partner. He asked me again to leave and said he couldn't even look at me right now. So I left. I'm staying in a hotel last night. We live together but I bought the house we stay in - so technically if anyone should leave it should be him. But I also felt really ashamed.

I still have no answers and I haven't heard from him since. He says he definitely wants to be with me but he'd rather it be "just us" for the foreseeable future (or forever because by then it would be too late for me to have kids anyway, which he acknowledges). I suppose he is right to say that I've made our relationship conditional on us having kids. But I don't think it's fair for him to ask or expect me to give up ever having kids just because he doesn't want them right now. He also pointed out that time isn't an issue for him as he can likely have kids into his 50s - so this is an issue for me not him.

In summary, it's all a big fat horrible mess. The conversation, which lasted for hours, was really distressing for me. But I don't feel like he's listened to, or will even acknowledge, anything I've said now - because I threw the glass and I'm now the abuser. I just can't see how we could go from actively ttc a few days ago to this now.

At the same time I feel like I already knew all of this deep down and none of it was a surprise to me. He already showed all of this before he begged me for us to reconcile last time. His actions throughout the ttc also showed me that but I chose to believe his earlier words, which didn't match his actions.

I don't think I do want to be with him if he doesn't want kids with me. I've always thought of relationships as a (potential) family, rather than just being about two people. He seems to think I have to put him first before everything and not want anything myself. I made it clear from when we first met that having a big family was really important to me.

It all feels horrible because now he's acting like I was using him to have kids because that's all that's on my one track mind and it was some sort of plan of mine from the start to use him as a means to an end. He actually said that the relationship was just a means to an end for me and that all I wanted was kids. And he's saying I'm abusive and violent so as to avoid acknowledging any responsibility for his own action. It's like me throwing the glass cancels out everything I've been through for the last few years. Before I threw the glass he acknowledged he'd never been there for me emotionally but said he just didn't have the bandwidth for a relationship most of the time as he can only concentrate and expend energy on one thing (work).

I've found it all incredibly unsettling - I'm starting to feel like I was responsible for this entire argument when in fact he initiated it by completely changing his mind about ttc. I feel so guilty for smashing the glass. He wouldn't look at me afterwards and told me not to come near him or even think about touching him. I felt horrible.

I know we won't talk for a few days at least, possibly weeks, because that's the way he is whenever we have a disagreement. When anything is difficult emotionally he retreats and I'm left wondering where I stand for ages.

But I think the relationship is over. I'm finding it difficult to separate my feelings regarding the relationship from the grief I feel about not becoming a mother anytime in the near future, or perhaps ever at all. It feels like more lost years and that time really is running out for me to ever have children. He's been incredibly distant recently but I just put up with it and tried to focus on other things because I was grateful we were finally ttc. I feel like he's taken that last bit of hope away from me. And so I threw a glass.

OP posts:
CiderJolly · 27/08/2020 03:29

You’ve had good advice.
He has treated you appallingly and is joe twisting things to make our you’re the bad guy.

I can’t believe he has the audacity to tell you to leave your house. This honestly makes me mad just reading it.

Get the ball rolling tomorrow with having a baby by yourself and tell him to get the fuck out of your house. He is a selfish liar.

Saltyauntiepoop · 27/08/2020 03:30

You're so not an abuser. If anything he is the abusive one. He is enjoying being at your house so reluctant to end things. Stringing you along, changing the goal post. Have your baby with a donor do not wait for this time waster. Oh and he should fuck off off YOUR house!

FortunesFave · 27/08/2020 03:30

Get him out. What a selfish fool he sounds. SO ignorant.

Have your baby without him. Re. having a baby with a gay friend, there's no need to worry about custody battles...there are ways to set things up so you're secure.

CiderJolly · 27/08/2020 03:32

I would send a text ‘you have until 4pm to pack up your shit and get out of my house. Post my key through the letterbox, do not contact me again’.

Then I would block and refuse to engage with him ever again. He doesn’t deserve another second of your time.

ExhaustedFlamingo · 27/08/2020 03:39

OP - just to say, I fell accidentally pregnant with twins when I was 34. My sperm donor ex didn’t want anything to do with babies. No contact since split at 8 wks pregnant and I have never taken money from him.

My children are now 10 yrs old, and I have a wonderful, loving DP who treats the children as his own.

Having babies on my own was tough yet incredibly empowering. No fights over what names to pick, no need to make sure you give your partner attention too - just the sole focus on me and my babies. I bloody loved it. Even now, I am their sole legal guardian although we’re considering DP legally adopting them.

Falling pregnant utterly fucked up my plans. I had to leave my job, they were prem babies and needed support. And yet, it was the single most exciting and wonderful thing that ever happened and I’d do exactly the same again if I had the chance. I started a new business which is still thriving 10 yrs on and I love my life. Absolutely go for it!!!

Also, your partner sounds like a giant arsehole who is trying to make you feel bad. You want babies - if you give more of your most fertile years to him, you’ll regret it. Be strong and walk away from this relationship ❤️

Turangawaewae · 27/08/2020 03:44

You've been very straight with him and this is a deal breaker for many couples. Don't feel guilty but do put yourself first.

cabingirl · 27/08/2020 03:45

Get back in your house tomorrow.

Tell him he has to leave - give him a set time to get out.

Then change all the locks. Change all your passwords for internet access, bank etc.

Once your house and physical assets are protected, take some time to work on your emotional needs but make sure this user doesn't get the chance to worm his way back in.

You might want to have a baby on your own. You might want to have some space and see if you meet someone else.

This guy though is not worth your time or tears.

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Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 27/08/2020 04:04

But he said it hurts him that he'll never be enough for me and that I prioritise having kids above our relationship.

This tells you all you need to know about what type of parent he would make...... A jealous one. He's already jealous of your hypothetical child.

Takethebullbth · 27/08/2020 04:09

Wow, he must be smirking to himself thinking he has you just where he wants you. Nasty, gutless little fuckwit. As someone above said, message him “Get the fuck out of MY house by 4.” & block. You cannot believe a word that comes out of his mouth so no more conversations needed. As much as it hurts, remind yourself that anyone this manipulative & selfish would be an awful parent. No crime in not being on the same page regarding children, but what he is doing to you is beyond cruel. Revolting creature.

Joistlooking · 27/08/2020 04:09

You know what you have to do. There is nothing more to say, you both want different things and there is no way back. To stay with him you have to give up the idea of having children, he is not going to compromise why should you. Your relationship is irretrievably damaged he us trying to blame you because he knows he lied to get you to come back. You are NOT an abuser you are frustrated and hurt.
Cry your heart out. Go home wish him every happiness with his chosen path then and tell him to leave YOUR house NOW. As pp have said take a break to regain your equilibrium and research your future. Good Luck. Flowers

TitsOutForHarambe · 27/08/2020 04:14

So it's your house? Is that right?

Go back there right now and tell him to leave. Don't tolerate this bullshit from him. He needs to leave your house.

bakedoff · 27/08/2020 04:18

What’s the problem with being selfish? It feels like this is always a word men fall back on when a woman is standing up for what she wants out of life. You’ve been absolutely crystal clear about what you want. Nothing wrong or selfish about that. How do you think top athletes (for example) succeed? You don’t get an Olympic gold medal by sitting around and not stating and going for a goal. Surely he’s being “selfish” too because he’s saying what he wants and that’s not to have kids and focus on work. That’s selfish. It’s ok to be selfish. Wanting a family isn’t selfish anyway. It’s natural. It’s what millions of people do. He’s just a time waster, dishonest and deceptive. He lied to you about wanting kids. He’s never going to be a decent partner and you’ve wasted too many years on him.

bakedoff · 27/08/2020 04:20

Oh and you really don’t want to have a kid with somebody like this. You really really don’t. It would just be painful. Go it alone. Cut him off

PlanDeRaccordement · 27/08/2020 04:24

He’s selfish and doesn’t want to share you with any children. You need to end it. People that selfish have impossible standards and demands.
It’s heartbreaking to be 36 and starting over looking for a partner to start a family with, but that’s what you have to do.
Think about freezing some eggs.

The only thing I thought was off is that you approached ttc like a military campaign with fertile windows and scheduled the fuck out of things. Sometimes it’s best to just have sex every 3 days or so and not track all that. It’s a wildly inaccurate science anyway tracking temps for ovulation, discharge for fertility etc. There is no accurate method. And over planning can cause stress which then lowers fertility in both partners.

MamaSloth · 27/08/2020 04:44

I'm a single mum to a donor conceived child by IVF and it's the best thing I've ever done. It's hard but so worth it and I wouldn't change it for anything. I knew I wanted to be a mum more than anything so I made it happen. It can be a very quick process. Good luck!

Sally2791 · 27/08/2020 04:59

He’s been very selfish and manipulative, all he cares about is maintaining his comfortable existence at your expense. You can throw a glass in frustration in your own house! Kick him out asap and don’t listen to him whining. Go it alone with motherhood, and enjoy your life.

mellowww · 27/08/2020 05:01

Hi OP! I hope all the encouragement and support from us here is helping you feel better 🙂

IMO the key points are:

Don't waste another second of your fertility on this guy who is too immature and selfish to want kids. Yes maybe if you'd got pregnant he would have grown, but it all would have been a compromising process for you, at continuing cost to yourself. Prize yourself higher.

A man who can say he's got no time limit and wants kids in his 50s, and that you are selfish to want them now, is someone worth never talking to again.

Forget the bloody glass - you were deeply upset and actually shocked by his attitude coming out and his coldness to you, and the realisation that you'd got back together and trusted he was on side and now he's saying he actually found having baby sex with you repulsive because he wasn't ready. He's damn lucky you didn't throttle him!! He pushed you to the absolute limit, and you threw the glass at the wall (not him) in sheer frustration and hurt. Similar to men punching walls, I guess. And you are awash with veeeeeeeery strong hormones demanding you take your chances right now while you have them. (And they are right.)

I'm also shocked by how cold he is. And how dare he gaslight you that you're 'violent and abusive' so he can stay in your house???

Be very calm and distant with him too. You don't want (falsely) accusing of anything. It is very very good you don't have kids with him. Very. He would have made your life a misery.

Go home tomorrow. Say you're sorry, yes, different priorities and this is over. Ask him to leave as soon as possible. Give him a reasonable deadline. He really should be gone at least over this weekend.

And yes, yes. When you're free, be independent and have your own baby. You might meet someone else, but be very wary as your time pressure might make you choose the wrong guy just because your hormones are driving you so strongly.

Do not for one second listen to his genuinely misogynistic and abusive crap. Cry for joy you aren't having a kid with him 💐

mellowww · 27/08/2020 05:04

It’s heartbreaking to be 36 and starting over looking for a partner to start a family with, but that’s what you have to do.
Think about freezing some eggs.

Yes freeze eggs. Then you too can have kids when you're 50 😉

No but - it isn't the easiest, starting over at 36, but it's still perfectly doable and ok.

Really heartbreaking would be wasting time on him then at 46 starting over.

Celebrate. You're getting your life back.

SeasickPenguin · 27/08/2020 05:12

What I heard was you describing, in very vivid detail, is a total lying manipulative piece of human garbage.

Get him the fuck out of YOUR house.

The fucking cheeky bastard, guilt tripping you into being the one going to a hotel.

He would make an absolutely terrible father. Just imagine him lying to your child like he has lied to you. Would break a kids heart to be led on only to be let down over and over again. Believe me, he would be that kind of scumbag dad.

Protect your future little one, go it alone.

Mummyoflittledragon · 27/08/2020 05:31

He’s absolutely done a number on you. Right now you’re paying for a roof over his head and he has thrown you out. Wow. He’s the abuser, not you. Manipulative, cold and nasty. The ultimate narcissist.

He had no qualms of using your friend as his cheerleader / flying monkey to persuade you to stay with him. He absolutely knows how to push your buttons to keep you in your place, doesn’t he?

I agree with Plan, your regime for ttc would be off putting for most and stress does decrease fertility. Go home, tell him to leave. Get your home and your life back from this vampire.

@RyanBergarasTeeth
You so need to take your own advice. It is so sad you cannot see you’re both in the same position. Stop wasting your fertile years on a man, who has decided his family is complete. For whatever reason, he doesn’t want his children to have half siblings. Many people feel it is unfair to do so.

Whenwillthisbeover · 27/08/2020 05:49

Seriously OP, the biggest clue in all this is that you left YOUR house in his instruction as he didn’t want to be around you.

Big fat no. The relationship is over and he needs to be gone today with all his things by lunchtime.

Please change the locks and block him.

JulesCobb · 27/08/2020 05:58

Fucking hell he is appalling. Youre 36. Stop wasting time.

He doesnt want children with you. He wants them, possibly, in the far off distance. Which is fine for him. Not you. He does possibly Want children, just not with you. He is wasting your fertility while his remains unaffected.

You are not married. Why not? I mean, it is a relief as you can love on easily, but think About why You are not married to him.

Bin him off and atop wasting your time.

JulesCobb · 27/08/2020 06:04

@RyanBergarasTeeth your partner called you a manipulative bitch?! Wtf are you staying with him for?

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