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ttc for a year - now he says I'm an abuser

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SnowWhite1985 · 27/08/2020 02:24

My partner and I have been together almost 6 years. We're both 35 (I'm almost 36). About a year and a half ago we took some time away from our relationship (temporarily) because I wanted kids and he didn't (at least for the foreseeable future). Prior to that he'd said he'd be ready in a year, and then the next year said can we wait another year etc. After getting fed up of this, I told him that he needed to tell me straight what he wanted because I didn't think I'd be able to sacrifice having kids to be with him if he didn't want kids. When we were apart (it lasted a couple of months), he spent a lot of time with one of my close female friends, who has a young daughter. He hadn't wanted to split/take time apart, and after spending time with my friend he sent me all these messages begging me to get back together. He said he wanted kids with me so badly and that spending time with this woman and her daughter had made him realise how much he wants to be a dad. He said he was just scared about being a good dad and he wanted us to be in the best position we could be to be parents. At the time the only two friends I told about this thought it was manipulative, as he did a 360 going from "I'm absolutely not ready to have kids right now" to "it's my dream to have kids and please don't take that away from me it's all I want and I want it with you". He said to me that I had taken away his dreams and that his dream was to have kids with me. So we reconciled.

We started ttc almost immediately after that. I started doing all sorts of tests, researching etc to give us the best chance. I have low AMH but all my other tests came back normal. He was reluctant to get tests. He was supposed to be getting sperm tests but put it off and hasn't done it yet. He didn't give me any emotional support or take any interest in my tests etc but I didn't think that was a massive red flag - it just felt a bit lonely so I turned to the wonderful ttc boards on here for support.

Anyway, this month we missed the first two days of my fertile window. My partner - as soon as he knew it was my fertile window - said he was struggling to cope and had to focus on work. He barely talked to me for a couple of days. I asked him if we could try to conceive at least once this cycle and he got upset with me saying he had to prioritise work. After I asked him again what was up and if something bad had happened at work, he said he doesn't want kids right now and that he has to focus on work and can't cope with the pressure of doing "both". I asked what he meant by "doing both" and he said his work and a relationship. He said he never wanted to ttc, but that he thought it was the only way we'd stay together because being "just us" would never be enough for me. He said he wants kids in the (distant) future but not anytime soon because the timing isn't right. He said he can't even focus on our relationship right now never mind kids because he has to focus on work.

Earlier tonight we had a big argument. I was feeling particularly emotional because it's close to my ovulation and it felt like such a missed opportunity. I feel like I'm losing time to ever have kids. And he was barely talking to me which felt like some sort of punishment. In any event, I started off really quite calm, but then I got incredibly upset because he wouldn't look at me and he wouldn't say what he wants or how he feels or where we stand. So I just got more and more frustrated. He ended up not saying very much and I just got upset and talked about my feelings a lot. I did give him plenty of time to talk but then it was just incredibly long, awkward silences. What he did say was that he feels that this relationship was a means to an end for me and that I'm only with him because I want kids. I said isn't it normal to want a family with the person you love and who you're in a long-term committed relationship with? But he said it hurts him that he'll never be enough for me and that I prioritise having kids above our relationship. He said I've made it a condition on us being together and he can't deal with that.

As it became clear to me that he doesn't actually want kids, I said that what he said to me a year ago now felt misleading, and that I felt like he's been stringing me along when it wasn't really what he wanted. He says he meant it at the time but that his feelings fluctuate from day to day. He said sometimes he feels fine with ttc in theory and other times he doesn't and he said in practice it makes him feel physically sick because I'm ready for it and he's not. He wouldn't say when he'd be ready, if ever. I then asked him to describe his ideal life scenario over the next 5-10 years if there were no rush or fertility issues. How he wanted life to be. He then proceeded to describe where he would live, work, success in professional life etc and didn't even mention me or kids.

Anyway, we then took a bit of a time out as he said he didn't know how he felt about me or about having kids with me and that he needed time to think. I just got more and more upset with the silence and the lack of answers. So I went to the kitchen to do the dishes and ended up breaking down sobbing then I threw a glass at the wall. He was upstairs at the time so nowhere nearby. He then told me to leave as he couldn't stand to look at me but I proceeded to clean up the glass. Once I finished cleaning it he said I'm an abusive and violent partner. He asked me again to leave and said he couldn't even look at me right now. So I left. I'm staying in a hotel last night. We live together but I bought the house we stay in - so technically if anyone should leave it should be him. But I also felt really ashamed.

I still have no answers and I haven't heard from him since. He says he definitely wants to be with me but he'd rather it be "just us" for the foreseeable future (or forever because by then it would be too late for me to have kids anyway, which he acknowledges). I suppose he is right to say that I've made our relationship conditional on us having kids. But I don't think it's fair for him to ask or expect me to give up ever having kids just because he doesn't want them right now. He also pointed out that time isn't an issue for him as he can likely have kids into his 50s - so this is an issue for me not him.

In summary, it's all a big fat horrible mess. The conversation, which lasted for hours, was really distressing for me. But I don't feel like he's listened to, or will even acknowledge, anything I've said now - because I threw the glass and I'm now the abuser. I just can't see how we could go from actively ttc a few days ago to this now.

At the same time I feel like I already knew all of this deep down and none of it was a surprise to me. He already showed all of this before he begged me for us to reconcile last time. His actions throughout the ttc also showed me that but I chose to believe his earlier words, which didn't match his actions.

I don't think I do want to be with him if he doesn't want kids with me. I've always thought of relationships as a (potential) family, rather than just being about two people. He seems to think I have to put him first before everything and not want anything myself. I made it clear from when we first met that having a big family was really important to me.

It all feels horrible because now he's acting like I was using him to have kids because that's all that's on my one track mind and it was some sort of plan of mine from the start to use him as a means to an end. He actually said that the relationship was just a means to an end for me and that all I wanted was kids. And he's saying I'm abusive and violent so as to avoid acknowledging any responsibility for his own action. It's like me throwing the glass cancels out everything I've been through for the last few years. Before I threw the glass he acknowledged he'd never been there for me emotionally but said he just didn't have the bandwidth for a relationship most of the time as he can only concentrate and expend energy on one thing (work).

I've found it all incredibly unsettling - I'm starting to feel like I was responsible for this entire argument when in fact he initiated it by completely changing his mind about ttc. I feel so guilty for smashing the glass. He wouldn't look at me afterwards and told me not to come near him or even think about touching him. I felt horrible.

I know we won't talk for a few days at least, possibly weeks, because that's the way he is whenever we have a disagreement. When anything is difficult emotionally he retreats and I'm left wondering where I stand for ages.

But I think the relationship is over. I'm finding it difficult to separate my feelings regarding the relationship from the grief I feel about not becoming a mother anytime in the near future, or perhaps ever at all. It feels like more lost years and that time really is running out for me to ever have children. He's been incredibly distant recently but I just put up with it and tried to focus on other things because I was grateful we were finally ttc. I feel like he's taken that last bit of hope away from me. And so I threw a glass.

OP posts:
Jigglywobbly · 18/06/2021 08:03

@SnowWhite1985 how are you doing ?

BeeDavis · 18/06/2021 10:15

Why the fuck would you want a baby with this man? The problem with women having a ticking clock is that they get so desperate for a child they are blinded when it comes to who they have the child with. He is not on the same page as you and never has been.

SVRT19674 · 18/06/2021 11:32

+@IsabelHerna* I like your grandma.
OP please do not be my sister in law. Strung along by a man who didn´t really want kids for years, who suddenly got the courage to say he didn´t want them when he was put between the sword and the wall. She is childless now. Please just make your own way in life and never give up your desire to have kids for any man.

Zerorightanswers · 18/06/2021 12:00

Can people please read the dates on these threads??

justanotherneighinparadise · 18/06/2021 12:18

I think you’ve done the right thing to split. It sounds like a damaging relationship for a child to be raised in so please don’t let him back.

You sound like an ideal candidate for IVF with donor sperm. You could get a clutch of embies in the freezer and then your need for a man will diminish immediately.

I honestly think at the age you’re at now (and I too had kids right at the end of my fertile age) women kind of lose their heads when it comes to finding a man and TTC. I did similar in trying to rail road a man I loved into TTC when it was the last thing he wanted due to having children from a previous relationship. After leaving me dangling for over a year he eventually said no and thank god I found my fiancé who did want children and we managed to have two. By the end of my failed relationship I was acting like quite a lunatic. I think it was the ummming and aaaahing, the back and forth that caused the emotional turmoil. I was pretty normal at the beginning of my now relationship and was actively preventing pregnancy when I feel pregnant!! The world works in very mysterious ways.

me4real · 18/06/2021 12:38

You're not being unreasonable wanting children- that's the course of a relationship most people imagine/accept (though it's fine if it's not what people want of course, I'm just saying you aren't wanting anything excessive/wrong like he claims.)

He's also manipulative.

You're doing the right thing by splitting with him, please don't be sucked back in.

I think having a friend help you with TTC is actually a good idea, as it is a time limited thing. A decent bloke mightn't be completely put off by your being pregnant or having a child.

DespairingHomeowner · 18/06/2021 12:38

NRFT OP, (actually just your 1st post) - but in this case, I would look into freezing your eggs ASAP which would give you time to sort everything out in your mind re your relationship and buy you time to decide what you want (and meet another partner to have a baby in next few years if thats how things go)

This technology is improving all the time & you are still young enough to have a good success with it

me4real · 18/06/2021 12:39

IVF is a great idea if you can access it.

Higgeldypiggeldy35 · 18/06/2021 12:40

He's the one that has been selfish. Stringing you along for years, knowing your fertile years are becoming less and less. I would be furious if I was you. Kick him out. If kids is what you want then go for it alone. But make sure you live near family and friends as honestly it's the hardest thing I've ever done. And the best.

littleburn · 18/06/2021 12:46

Zombie thread

Oscaree · 18/06/2021 13:12

He wants to have his cake and eat it. My ex did the same. Strung me along for 3 years pretending he wanted to be a dad again, but wouldn't do anything to improve his low sperm count etc etc etc.

Whilst your wasting time with this selfish man, you could be missing out on someone who wants what you want in life. I left my ex and unintentionally met my current partner 4 months later. We're now expecting!!!

Give him out of your house and get on with your life.

allyjay · 18/06/2021 19:04

I wish Mumsnet would put threads older than 6 months or something in a different colour. I read this all the way through thinking, hoping op had a positive update

Lili132 · 18/06/2021 20:50

You are not on the same page when it comes to having kids and that is a relationship deal breaker.

You are not compatible.

He also seems to have a tendency to twist your reality which is really unhealthy and would drive you crazy in a long run.

Throwing a glass on a wall when you are in despair after someone betrayed you (and he did betray you) is normal reaction to extremely painful situation. It might not be pretty but it's not abusive, especially if he wasn't even in a room with you.

Making you feel guilty about prioritising having family is not OK and shows he's very selfish and unreasonable.
Love requires some compromise but nobody should feel like they have to sacrifice their core life values for a partner

DeeCeeCherry · 18/06/2021 21:02

He's a lying future-faker and you'll be far better off without him in your life messing you around.

You've still time to meet someone else and perhaps try for a baby.

Or, go it alone - would you consider that? I'm thinking there must be advice and support groups for women who have/want to.

You've wasted enough of your fertile years on him. He's not the only man in the world. & you need to have a think about knowing your worth and not getting entangled with bullshitters. Unfortunately he likely does want children one day in the distant future - but, not with you. Hence he's cool with wasting your time.

You can do better than hang around for his whims.

SnowWhite1985 · 27/06/2021 01:52

Hi everyone,
I haven’t checked mumsnet in a very long time but I noticed there were some new posts and messages of support, and just wanted to say thanks and give a little update.
So after the drama of the split had subsided in the couple of months post-break up, I felt GREAT. Such a feeling of liberation like I was finally free of him. The time apart really helped me see how manipulative and abusive he was. I then began to feel bad though, more self-loathing like how could I even have considered having kids or even being in a relationship with someone like him. When I went back over so many events in our mind, it was just awful. It made me feel like I couldn’t trust my own judgment and I was repulsed at the thought of him.
Then, after a few months of hearing nothing from him, he began incessantly contacting me, begging me to get back together with him. I said no and then blocked him so he couldnt contact me on social media etc. At which point he started emailing me threats and stalking me. Threats escalated to the point where I was genuinely afraid I was going to become one of those cases on the news where I was killed by an ex partner. He had this whole I can’t live without you attitude and was super aggressive and threatening. Got extra security, police were involved etc. I’m hoping it has finally stopped as I haven’t heard anything from him for around 2 months.
I got counselling to work through some of the issues - mostly how I would keep beating myself up about being with him in the first place. I didn’t even like him when I met him. But he ended up being what I thought was a good friend as he helped me with a few things. Then he threw it all back in my face and felt entitled to date me. Looking back, I knew it was wrong at the time. All the warning signs were there. So I have been quite hard on myself for getting myself into that situation in the first place.
Anyway, I’m still working on self-compassion. My friends and family have been great so I’m feeling generally ok. And life is going well otherwise. I’m still single at the moment, and I guess in some ways this experience has made me quite cautious about jumping into another relationship.
My friend who I like / we thought might like me has turned into an incredible friend. He’s genuinely kind and supportive. He’s still living abroad though, so still very platonic. I’m grateful to have a kind male friend though as it has restored my faith in (some) men to some extent. My counsellor thought I have some PTSD like reaction to some of the things my ex did to me, so it’s at least nice to have kind men in my life.
I have been working through my own issues before going down the conceiving on my own route. But it’s something I’m starting to think seriously about now. I know I definitely want kids, so I’ll probably go down that route in the next year or so.
I just wanted to say thanks for helping me when I was distraught. It was hard for me to talk to real life friends and family about the extent of things that had happened in the relationship, so it was really helpful to have some insights and support from this community.
If anyone is in a similar position to me, I’d say GET OUT. Honestly the luckiest escape I’ve ever had. I wanted kids more than anything but every day I thank god that I’m not tied to him forever through a child. The relationship was worse than I’d admitted to anyone. So toxic and abusive. I guess we sometimes choose to believe what we want to believe even when all the red flags are there and we know deep down it’s beyond toxic.
Much love

OP posts:
RosieLeaLovesTea · 27/06/2021 02:37

The argument ass not your fault op. He is not being fair. You have been together 6 years. Surely that is long rough to know if he feels you have a long term future with kids in it.
All women have to think about the biological clock - unfortunately you can’t argue or debate with human biology.
I think it’s unfair of his to dangle the carrot in front of you if he is really not sure.

RosieLeaLovesTea · 27/06/2021 02:42

Ah I just read your update today OP. Good for you to hear you have kicked him to the curb. If you want kids go for it. I also hope you meet someone great later down the line. You are so brave and well done!

Marty13 · 27/06/2021 04:34

Hey OP, so glad you got rid of the jerk/creepy stalker !

I just wanted to tell you, I chose to have a child on my own. It's not such an uncommon thing anymore - I know someone else irl who tried to do the same (now decided to adopt).

It was the best thing I could have done. I have two boys, they are amazing. Today the youngest (1yo) gave a hug to his older brother for the first time, and I managed to snatch a pic. It was amazing. We went to the park today, they love playing there. They are so cute and amazing and clever. I'm so glad I don't have to contend with a bitter ex like so many on here, to spend time arranging contact, etc. It's all much simpler and straightforward this way.

Just wanted you to know that having kids on your own can be the right path for some people, and you're not alone. I'm a bit younger (34), I made the decision at 30 so I could have looked for someone if I really wanted to. This was the right call for me though. I've not regretted it for a second.

Being a single parent is hard... But so many people split up and end up with the disadvantage of both a relationship AND having to raise the children (mostly) alone, so this is definitely not the worst outcome. Not to mention all the people still in a relationship who still end up doing virtually everything on their own because their partner won't pull their weight.

Anyway, if you want to talk with someone who's done it, feel free to PM me.

PearPickingPorky · 27/06/2021 05:16

That's a good update OP. Glad you've been able to see how toxic a relationship you'd been manipulated into being in. He's a classic abuser and I'm afraid it wasn't a surprise to me that he's now started stalking and harassing you. We'll done reporting it to the police.

All the best for the future.

RoisinD · 27/06/2021 05:44

Thank you for your update and good to hear you are feeling much better. Hope everything works out for you. You deserve it.

Countrylane · 27/06/2021 08:19

Well done you. What a positive hopeful update (although it’s obviously been v challenging.) Good luck in the future!

Garbagepailgal · 27/06/2021 11:01

I’m so glad you are out of the relationship and you are beginning to thrive. I’m sure you will be a fantastic mum

IsabelHerna · 27/06/2021 17:07

Thank you for the update OP! I'm really glad you got out of this abusive situation and that you're focusing on yourself and figuring out your next steps. Congrats and good luck!

ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 17:46

I can't get over the fact that he ordered you our of your own house.
However,

He then proceeded to describe where he would live, work, success in professional life etc and didn't even mention me or kids.

Ouch Flowers

OP, you already have all the answers, you just need some time to process them.

He's a selfish, manipulative liar & he's been stringing you along.
His accusations of abuse are sheer projection.

It's not great about throwing a glass, but so what? - he wasn't in the room with you at the time so it wasn't done "at" him.
You're allowed to break your own possessions, & coming to the realisation that your instincts are sound & yes you HAVE been strung along by someone who is supposed to love you must have been the last straw.

When he persists with his rhetoric about "the right time", what he means is that he'd like to wait until you are no longer fertile. But he's not adult or honest enough to say so, so instead, he has blamed you for your perfectly reasonable assumption that - when he told you he now wanted kids & didn't want to live without you - he was telling the truth.

Sorry I have just seen there are several pages to this so I'd better shut up while I catch up with wiser poster comments & any updates from you OP, but for right now - Wine Wine Flowers x

ChargingBuck · 27/06/2021 17:57

I know we won't talk for a few days at least, possibly weeks, because that's the way he is whenever we have a disagreement

Jeeze.

For this alone, leave him.

And one day, when you are past the upset, you will realise that you are better off without him, his poor behaviour, & his lies.

It's ok for him not to want children.
It's NOT ok to lie about it.
And to manipulate you into wasting fertile years while he continues to lie about it is despicable.