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ttc for a year - now he says I'm an abuser

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SnowWhite1985 · 27/08/2020 02:24

My partner and I have been together almost 6 years. We're both 35 (I'm almost 36). About a year and a half ago we took some time away from our relationship (temporarily) because I wanted kids and he didn't (at least for the foreseeable future). Prior to that he'd said he'd be ready in a year, and then the next year said can we wait another year etc. After getting fed up of this, I told him that he needed to tell me straight what he wanted because I didn't think I'd be able to sacrifice having kids to be with him if he didn't want kids. When we were apart (it lasted a couple of months), he spent a lot of time with one of my close female friends, who has a young daughter. He hadn't wanted to split/take time apart, and after spending time with my friend he sent me all these messages begging me to get back together. He said he wanted kids with me so badly and that spending time with this woman and her daughter had made him realise how much he wants to be a dad. He said he was just scared about being a good dad and he wanted us to be in the best position we could be to be parents. At the time the only two friends I told about this thought it was manipulative, as he did a 360 going from "I'm absolutely not ready to have kids right now" to "it's my dream to have kids and please don't take that away from me it's all I want and I want it with you". He said to me that I had taken away his dreams and that his dream was to have kids with me. So we reconciled.

We started ttc almost immediately after that. I started doing all sorts of tests, researching etc to give us the best chance. I have low AMH but all my other tests came back normal. He was reluctant to get tests. He was supposed to be getting sperm tests but put it off and hasn't done it yet. He didn't give me any emotional support or take any interest in my tests etc but I didn't think that was a massive red flag - it just felt a bit lonely so I turned to the wonderful ttc boards on here for support.

Anyway, this month we missed the first two days of my fertile window. My partner - as soon as he knew it was my fertile window - said he was struggling to cope and had to focus on work. He barely talked to me for a couple of days. I asked him if we could try to conceive at least once this cycle and he got upset with me saying he had to prioritise work. After I asked him again what was up and if something bad had happened at work, he said he doesn't want kids right now and that he has to focus on work and can't cope with the pressure of doing "both". I asked what he meant by "doing both" and he said his work and a relationship. He said he never wanted to ttc, but that he thought it was the only way we'd stay together because being "just us" would never be enough for me. He said he wants kids in the (distant) future but not anytime soon because the timing isn't right. He said he can't even focus on our relationship right now never mind kids because he has to focus on work.

Earlier tonight we had a big argument. I was feeling particularly emotional because it's close to my ovulation and it felt like such a missed opportunity. I feel like I'm losing time to ever have kids. And he was barely talking to me which felt like some sort of punishment. In any event, I started off really quite calm, but then I got incredibly upset because he wouldn't look at me and he wouldn't say what he wants or how he feels or where we stand. So I just got more and more frustrated. He ended up not saying very much and I just got upset and talked about my feelings a lot. I did give him plenty of time to talk but then it was just incredibly long, awkward silences. What he did say was that he feels that this relationship was a means to an end for me and that I'm only with him because I want kids. I said isn't it normal to want a family with the person you love and who you're in a long-term committed relationship with? But he said it hurts him that he'll never be enough for me and that I prioritise having kids above our relationship. He said I've made it a condition on us being together and he can't deal with that.

As it became clear to me that he doesn't actually want kids, I said that what he said to me a year ago now felt misleading, and that I felt like he's been stringing me along when it wasn't really what he wanted. He says he meant it at the time but that his feelings fluctuate from day to day. He said sometimes he feels fine with ttc in theory and other times he doesn't and he said in practice it makes him feel physically sick because I'm ready for it and he's not. He wouldn't say when he'd be ready, if ever. I then asked him to describe his ideal life scenario over the next 5-10 years if there were no rush or fertility issues. How he wanted life to be. He then proceeded to describe where he would live, work, success in professional life etc and didn't even mention me or kids.

Anyway, we then took a bit of a time out as he said he didn't know how he felt about me or about having kids with me and that he needed time to think. I just got more and more upset with the silence and the lack of answers. So I went to the kitchen to do the dishes and ended up breaking down sobbing then I threw a glass at the wall. He was upstairs at the time so nowhere nearby. He then told me to leave as he couldn't stand to look at me but I proceeded to clean up the glass. Once I finished cleaning it he said I'm an abusive and violent partner. He asked me again to leave and said he couldn't even look at me right now. So I left. I'm staying in a hotel last night. We live together but I bought the house we stay in - so technically if anyone should leave it should be him. But I also felt really ashamed.

I still have no answers and I haven't heard from him since. He says he definitely wants to be with me but he'd rather it be "just us" for the foreseeable future (or forever because by then it would be too late for me to have kids anyway, which he acknowledges). I suppose he is right to say that I've made our relationship conditional on us having kids. But I don't think it's fair for him to ask or expect me to give up ever having kids just because he doesn't want them right now. He also pointed out that time isn't an issue for him as he can likely have kids into his 50s - so this is an issue for me not him.

In summary, it's all a big fat horrible mess. The conversation, which lasted for hours, was really distressing for me. But I don't feel like he's listened to, or will even acknowledge, anything I've said now - because I threw the glass and I'm now the abuser. I just can't see how we could go from actively ttc a few days ago to this now.

At the same time I feel like I already knew all of this deep down and none of it was a surprise to me. He already showed all of this before he begged me for us to reconcile last time. His actions throughout the ttc also showed me that but I chose to believe his earlier words, which didn't match his actions.

I don't think I do want to be with him if he doesn't want kids with me. I've always thought of relationships as a (potential) family, rather than just being about two people. He seems to think I have to put him first before everything and not want anything myself. I made it clear from when we first met that having a big family was really important to me.

It all feels horrible because now he's acting like I was using him to have kids because that's all that's on my one track mind and it was some sort of plan of mine from the start to use him as a means to an end. He actually said that the relationship was just a means to an end for me and that all I wanted was kids. And he's saying I'm abusive and violent so as to avoid acknowledging any responsibility for his own action. It's like me throwing the glass cancels out everything I've been through for the last few years. Before I threw the glass he acknowledged he'd never been there for me emotionally but said he just didn't have the bandwidth for a relationship most of the time as he can only concentrate and expend energy on one thing (work).

I've found it all incredibly unsettling - I'm starting to feel like I was responsible for this entire argument when in fact he initiated it by completely changing his mind about ttc. I feel so guilty for smashing the glass. He wouldn't look at me afterwards and told me not to come near him or even think about touching him. I felt horrible.

I know we won't talk for a few days at least, possibly weeks, because that's the way he is whenever we have a disagreement. When anything is difficult emotionally he retreats and I'm left wondering where I stand for ages.

But I think the relationship is over. I'm finding it difficult to separate my feelings regarding the relationship from the grief I feel about not becoming a mother anytime in the near future, or perhaps ever at all. It feels like more lost years and that time really is running out for me to ever have children. He's been incredibly distant recently but I just put up with it and tried to focus on other things because I was grateful we were finally ttc. I feel like he's taken that last bit of hope away from me. And so I threw a glass.

OP posts:
LaLaLandIsNoFun · 29/08/2020 09:04

Saw your update.

Thank fuck for that - he’s really shown his true colours: saying anything he can think of (including shaming you!!!!) to keep you in the little box he wants you in.

You’ll never get to see what staying with him would eventually result in. That’s a relief. Have a fabulous life

ALLIS0N · 29/08/2020 09:29

@legalseagull

I’m basing it on the facts that the op has posted here and my personal experience of gay and lesbian couples in this situation and of adoptive families.

But please do tell me of the families you know in this situation where the gay couple do 50% or more of the grunt work of being a parent while the mum builds her career and has a great social life ? Or where the men have the child most of the time and Mum has them one night and week and EOW ?

I’m sure they exist and it’s just that I don’t know any. Please go ahead and share.

I’m not remotely homophobic. I’ve noticed that gay men are exactly the same as straight men in that they mostly want the fun bits of parenting and expect a person with a vagina to do the rest.

A baby, like a puppy, isn’t for Christmas and Instagram.

Conceiving a baby with a gay friend is not a good solution for the OP. She doesn't need another man or two dictating and controlling her life. She is 36 and doesn't have another 10 years to sort out the ideal situation.

I’m not a bigot but I am a pragmatist.

ilovethesmellofthesea · 29/08/2020 09:30

OP I'm so pleased for you. Onwards and upwards x

ALLIS0N · 29/08/2020 09:31

OP - I’m glad he’s agreed to move out amicably . And that you are able to see through his bullshit.

Good luck with your future plans.

madcatladyforever · 29/08/2020 09:34

He sounds like a proper snowflake, not my idea of a real man.
LTB and get pregnant on your own. My friends have done it, I brought up my son alone, it worked for us.
Don't waste any more time on this loser.

incognitomum · 29/08/2020 09:36

Talk about showing his true colours Shock

Thanks for updating. I'm feeling much more positive for you.

RandomMess · 29/08/2020 09:51

ShockShockShockShockShock

What a complete knob, thank heavens you saw the light before having a DC with him!!!

Thanks
LynetteScavo · 29/08/2020 10:22

Personally I would ask him to leave the house ASAP (why should you be left not knowing where you stand? Take control of the relationship and end it now.) I would then start to look into hab on a baby on my own.

I bet he's secretly delighted you smashed that glass as he gets a reason to separate and will be able to tell everyone how crazy and abusive you are.

rainbowstardrops · 29/08/2020 10:33

Bloody hell he's got a high opinion of himself! I'm glad you've been able to see through him and you're seeing things clearly now. Good luck

fuandylp · 29/08/2020 10:47

Bloody hell - that last update just shows what a jumped-up, pain in the arse knobhead he really is. Who the hell does he think he is?
My goodness, he's a fucking expert on everything and so opinionated to boot.
Good that he's finally shown you who he is.
He doesn't want children and all this stuff about 6 months time is total and utter bollocks.

Onwards and upwards!

Chocaholic9 · 29/08/2020 11:03

@SnowWhite1985

I’m ok, thank you for asking. I didn’t change the locks or kick him out on the street because I don’t believe that’s the right way to behave towards someone you’ve been in a committed relationship with for so long. He came back, we talked. It was helpful for me to get closure. My decision to go our separate ways was even easier after talking. He said he would be ready to try to conceive in 6 months and he just needed to work through some things at work first to get in a better position to have kids. I just didn’t believe him, and - more importantly - I didn’t even want to believe him (compared to last time when I really wanted to). He said he didn’t change his mind about wanting kids but he had done what I wanted and done things my way but that he felt it was too stressful and that some of the romance was gone with timing ttc and the fertility tests etc. He suggested we watch a movie then have some romantic sex (before we’d even talked through these issues properly). I actually felt physically sick - my feelings have completely changed because I feel so betrayed. I said to him he’s doing what he wants and I need to do what’s right for me. He said if I’m thinking of having a child by other means then that’s selfish, crazy and irresponsible. Then he gave me a lecture on parenting. It was all rather unpleasant. Called me crazy for breaking the glass. He just talked about himself a lot and there was no acknowledgement of, or care for, what is important to me. He said my expectations of him were way too high which seems ridiculous as relationship wise I’ve really come to expect nothing from him as I was so grateful he was ttc with me. He said he couldn’t believe I would throw away what we have over him not being ready yet when it’s only temporary. Then he suggested I’m not good at my job and I should focus on that more like he’s focusing on his work. Oh and he blamed the pandemic. Then he said fate brought us together and we’re meant to be together. It was all a bit surreal. Then he ridiculed some of my friends who have prioritised family over career (including the woman who he spent time with last break up), saying they’d never amount to anything in their careers. It all came across as arrogant and self absorbed. It was different to last time, when he really convinced me this was what he wanted. I realised I don’t want to have kids with him at all. We had sex once right before my fertile window this cycle and I actually found myself worrying that I could be pregnant - which felt really strange as I’ve spent such a long time hoping that I was pregnant! (Of course if I were pregnant I would be happy to be having a child - I just realised I couldn’t see him as the father). Then he said he was doing this to try and help me be a better parent. And he said he couldn’t believe I’d prioritise having a child over our relationship and said that’s what the problem is because I care more about that than him. He said love should be enough for me and it’s not and that’s my problem. He said I’m punishing him because of life choices I’ve made prior to meeting him which meant I left having kids too late whereas he just needs a bit more time. He said he’s deeply hurt that my end goal is all about having a child and that I seem to think he doesn’t have a choice in the matter. I’ve asked him to move out this weekend which he says he will do. On the plus side, I had a lovely long catchup with some friends tonight (virtually) and I’m feeling more myself again. I feel like I am able to think more clearly now. Also one of my friends told me that a mutual friend has liked me for ages. He’s a genuinely lovely guy (and he’s objectively way more physically attractive than my (now-ex) partner). Not going to rush into anything...but it’s nice to know!
What a gaslighting arsehole he is. Glad that you're ending things with him.
JeremyBeremy · 29/08/2020 11:04

Woooow. You know, I think there should be a gaslighter/abuser bingo card that women carry around with them. You would have won money after that conversation Grin

EKGEMS · 29/08/2020 11:13

He's in a relationship with his own ginormous ego!!!

Heffalooomia · 29/08/2020 11:25

Thanks for updating OP
The man is completely deluded and self-absorbed, I think your approach to smile and nod and let him go on his merry way thinking that he's won is the best way to dodge that particular bullet
Let someone else deliver his final comeuppance, you have much better things to be getting on with 🙂

DarklyDreamingDexter · 29/08/2020 12:12

He’s been stringing you along all this time. The sooner he’s out of your life the better. Once he’s gone, you can finally move on, but don’t be tempted to take him back. He’s likely to come out with a load of bullshit to attempt to draw you back in when he realises you are serious about ending it.

ChikiTIKI · 29/08/2020 12:16

Sounds like you've made the best choice 👍🏻

Mix56 · 29/08/2020 13:07

Good job SnowWhite
Belittling your work, & telling you you should be more interested in your job than potentially becoming a mother...he just has no idea does he?
Just sounds like he wants to be the one & only source of admiration in your life.
I wouldn't be surprised if he has already had a vasectomy either.

Loladoodle · 29/08/2020 13:30

Well done 👏 @SnowWhite1985 you have handled this in a dignified way. You did NOTHING wrong at all, throwing a glass in frustration when alone in a room is not done to intimidate or act in a violent manner as there was no one in the room but you. Id like to see how all of the “perfect” people on here would respond in similar circumstances- it was a stress response and posed NO danger to anyone.

I left a marriage at 35 for all the right reasons and at 38 I’m now in a very stable, loving relationship ttc. You will be clearer about what you want now and will seek someone who can offer more stability- get yourself in to a positive state of mind and then seek a suitable partner for a relationship and ttc, someone who wants the same things from the outset.

You seem like a sensible, level headed, successful person. He was just a blip in the road. You deserve and will get what you need and want. You got this 💯 %

Inaseagull · 29/08/2020 13:33

Maybe he's the 8th dwarf? Egorant wasn't it? Or Egor for short.

JingsMahBucket · 29/08/2020 14:20

@SnowWhite1985 if I were you, I’d ask a friend to come around to help you supervise him packing and moving this weekend. I have a feeling he’s going to drag it out and try to talk you out of it. Having the friend there can act as a buffer and put a stop to his bullshit.

Racinglikeapronow · 29/08/2020 16:10

@SnowWhite1985 I was so shocked reading your posts. Myself & DH have been ttc for 3 years and been through several rounds of fertility treatment. We are still in love and romantic even though our only sex life has been timed around ovulation or abstinence during treatment. He is a awful person how he spent your talk trying to batter your self esteem down as much as possible. You owe him nothing. Get him out of your house now. Focus on you. Quit all this talking of donor sperm or gay friends. You are 35. You could meet the right guy soon and have a family with him. Low AMh is not a barrier to conception it’s an indicator of your egg reserve. Plenty of women conceive naturally with low AMH. As he never had tests done it could well be him who is the problem.

Main thing to do is stop all this nonsense and chats with him. It’s your house. He moves out now. Block him on everything and go absolutely cold turkey. Start to focus on yourself and when ready start dating again.

Dery · 29/08/2020 16:18

“if I were you, I’d ask a friend to come around to help you supervise him packing and moving this weekend. I have a feeling he’s going to drag it out and try to talk you out of it. Having the friend there can act as a buffer and put a stop to his bullshit.”

This.

copperoliver · 29/08/2020 16:29

You are absolutely mad, who the fuck is he to tell you to leave your home, you paid for. Go home now tell him to pack his bags and stay out of your life, he playing you and totally taking the piss. Get rid of him and look for someone who wants the same things as you before it's too late. X

PicsInRed · 29/08/2020 16:38

So...you're living together again and he'll move out in his own time never? And right back to the coercive control. Brilliant. How on earth is this a good update? It's a fucking terrible update, his feet are right back under the table, again abusing the owner of the house. Hmm

For fuck's sake, dump him, tell him to leave and have the police remove him if he won't go.

RyanBergarasTeeth · 29/08/2020 17:09

So...you're living together again and he'll move out in his own time never? And right back to the coercive control. Brilliant. How on earth is this a good update? It's a fucking terrible update, his feet are right back under the table, again abusing the owner of the house. hmm

For fuck's sake, dump him, tell him to leave and have the police remove him if he won't go.

What?? The op clearly said she has told him to pack and leave this weekend which he has agreed to. Today is saturday. Thats hardly her being under his control and letting him stay ffs.

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