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ttc for a year - now he says I'm an abuser

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SnowWhite1985 · 27/08/2020 02:24

My partner and I have been together almost 6 years. We're both 35 (I'm almost 36). About a year and a half ago we took some time away from our relationship (temporarily) because I wanted kids and he didn't (at least for the foreseeable future). Prior to that he'd said he'd be ready in a year, and then the next year said can we wait another year etc. After getting fed up of this, I told him that he needed to tell me straight what he wanted because I didn't think I'd be able to sacrifice having kids to be with him if he didn't want kids. When we were apart (it lasted a couple of months), he spent a lot of time with one of my close female friends, who has a young daughter. He hadn't wanted to split/take time apart, and after spending time with my friend he sent me all these messages begging me to get back together. He said he wanted kids with me so badly and that spending time with this woman and her daughter had made him realise how much he wants to be a dad. He said he was just scared about being a good dad and he wanted us to be in the best position we could be to be parents. At the time the only two friends I told about this thought it was manipulative, as he did a 360 going from "I'm absolutely not ready to have kids right now" to "it's my dream to have kids and please don't take that away from me it's all I want and I want it with you". He said to me that I had taken away his dreams and that his dream was to have kids with me. So we reconciled.

We started ttc almost immediately after that. I started doing all sorts of tests, researching etc to give us the best chance. I have low AMH but all my other tests came back normal. He was reluctant to get tests. He was supposed to be getting sperm tests but put it off and hasn't done it yet. He didn't give me any emotional support or take any interest in my tests etc but I didn't think that was a massive red flag - it just felt a bit lonely so I turned to the wonderful ttc boards on here for support.

Anyway, this month we missed the first two days of my fertile window. My partner - as soon as he knew it was my fertile window - said he was struggling to cope and had to focus on work. He barely talked to me for a couple of days. I asked him if we could try to conceive at least once this cycle and he got upset with me saying he had to prioritise work. After I asked him again what was up and if something bad had happened at work, he said he doesn't want kids right now and that he has to focus on work and can't cope with the pressure of doing "both". I asked what he meant by "doing both" and he said his work and a relationship. He said he never wanted to ttc, but that he thought it was the only way we'd stay together because being "just us" would never be enough for me. He said he wants kids in the (distant) future but not anytime soon because the timing isn't right. He said he can't even focus on our relationship right now never mind kids because he has to focus on work.

Earlier tonight we had a big argument. I was feeling particularly emotional because it's close to my ovulation and it felt like such a missed opportunity. I feel like I'm losing time to ever have kids. And he was barely talking to me which felt like some sort of punishment. In any event, I started off really quite calm, but then I got incredibly upset because he wouldn't look at me and he wouldn't say what he wants or how he feels or where we stand. So I just got more and more frustrated. He ended up not saying very much and I just got upset and talked about my feelings a lot. I did give him plenty of time to talk but then it was just incredibly long, awkward silences. What he did say was that he feels that this relationship was a means to an end for me and that I'm only with him because I want kids. I said isn't it normal to want a family with the person you love and who you're in a long-term committed relationship with? But he said it hurts him that he'll never be enough for me and that I prioritise having kids above our relationship. He said I've made it a condition on us being together and he can't deal with that.

As it became clear to me that he doesn't actually want kids, I said that what he said to me a year ago now felt misleading, and that I felt like he's been stringing me along when it wasn't really what he wanted. He says he meant it at the time but that his feelings fluctuate from day to day. He said sometimes he feels fine with ttc in theory and other times he doesn't and he said in practice it makes him feel physically sick because I'm ready for it and he's not. He wouldn't say when he'd be ready, if ever. I then asked him to describe his ideal life scenario over the next 5-10 years if there were no rush or fertility issues. How he wanted life to be. He then proceeded to describe where he would live, work, success in professional life etc and didn't even mention me or kids.

Anyway, we then took a bit of a time out as he said he didn't know how he felt about me or about having kids with me and that he needed time to think. I just got more and more upset with the silence and the lack of answers. So I went to the kitchen to do the dishes and ended up breaking down sobbing then I threw a glass at the wall. He was upstairs at the time so nowhere nearby. He then told me to leave as he couldn't stand to look at me but I proceeded to clean up the glass. Once I finished cleaning it he said I'm an abusive and violent partner. He asked me again to leave and said he couldn't even look at me right now. So I left. I'm staying in a hotel last night. We live together but I bought the house we stay in - so technically if anyone should leave it should be him. But I also felt really ashamed.

I still have no answers and I haven't heard from him since. He says he definitely wants to be with me but he'd rather it be "just us" for the foreseeable future (or forever because by then it would be too late for me to have kids anyway, which he acknowledges). I suppose he is right to say that I've made our relationship conditional on us having kids. But I don't think it's fair for him to ask or expect me to give up ever having kids just because he doesn't want them right now. He also pointed out that time isn't an issue for him as he can likely have kids into his 50s - so this is an issue for me not him.

In summary, it's all a big fat horrible mess. The conversation, which lasted for hours, was really distressing for me. But I don't feel like he's listened to, or will even acknowledge, anything I've said now - because I threw the glass and I'm now the abuser. I just can't see how we could go from actively ttc a few days ago to this now.

At the same time I feel like I already knew all of this deep down and none of it was a surprise to me. He already showed all of this before he begged me for us to reconcile last time. His actions throughout the ttc also showed me that but I chose to believe his earlier words, which didn't match his actions.

I don't think I do want to be with him if he doesn't want kids with me. I've always thought of relationships as a (potential) family, rather than just being about two people. He seems to think I have to put him first before everything and not want anything myself. I made it clear from when we first met that having a big family was really important to me.

It all feels horrible because now he's acting like I was using him to have kids because that's all that's on my one track mind and it was some sort of plan of mine from the start to use him as a means to an end. He actually said that the relationship was just a means to an end for me and that all I wanted was kids. And he's saying I'm abusive and violent so as to avoid acknowledging any responsibility for his own action. It's like me throwing the glass cancels out everything I've been through for the last few years. Before I threw the glass he acknowledged he'd never been there for me emotionally but said he just didn't have the bandwidth for a relationship most of the time as he can only concentrate and expend energy on one thing (work).

I've found it all incredibly unsettling - I'm starting to feel like I was responsible for this entire argument when in fact he initiated it by completely changing his mind about ttc. I feel so guilty for smashing the glass. He wouldn't look at me afterwards and told me not to come near him or even think about touching him. I felt horrible.

I know we won't talk for a few days at least, possibly weeks, because that's the way he is whenever we have a disagreement. When anything is difficult emotionally he retreats and I'm left wondering where I stand for ages.

But I think the relationship is over. I'm finding it difficult to separate my feelings regarding the relationship from the grief I feel about not becoming a mother anytime in the near future, or perhaps ever at all. It feels like more lost years and that time really is running out for me to ever have children. He's been incredibly distant recently but I just put up with it and tried to focus on other things because I was grateful we were finally ttc. I feel like he's taken that last bit of hope away from me. And so I threw a glass.

OP posts:
im5050 · 27/08/2020 14:22

I would tell him that .... Yes I do want kids , just not with you 😂
He’s a grade A asshole who knows exactly what he is doing

MinesAPintOfTea · 27/08/2020 14:24

To be clear, I meant leave the relationship. Yes, it should be done by asking him to leave her house.

If it was a man who was losing his temper and throwing and smashing things this would be seen as violent behaviour. I can see what triggered it, but it would be a better idea to find healthier outlets rather than take that behaviour into a new relationship

Saucy99 · 27/08/2020 14:43

The OP hasn't posted for a long time. Great Mumsnet bingo though: future faker, love bomber, narc, sperm donor, abusive and gaslighting. Just need someone to suggest the freedom program and we have a full house!

SnowWhite1985 · 27/08/2020 15:13

Thank you everyone from the responses. I appreciate you taking the time to write. I hadn’t expected all these responses, so I feel quite overwhelmed by it all.

I’m feeling physically ill today - I had a terrible interrupted sleep and have a migraine. I had one of those mornings when you wake up then suddenly remember everything that’s happened and it doesn’t quite feel real.
I’ve written down a lot of my feelings just to try and get things straight in my head. I went back home but my partner has gone I don’t know where. He hasn’t contacted me but he probably won’t for a few days at least, maybe longer.
I think I made a lot of allowances for lack of emotional support from my partner because he’d finally “allowed” us to try for a baby and I was so excited for that prospect. I let that cancel out all the other obvious red flags of ways he wasn’t there for me. Then I probably got wrapped up in the testing etc as something to focus on (although I’m grateful I have all that fertility info now). I thought I needed to put him first because he’d given me this gift of ttc, for the first time ever in my life. There was a lot of pent up hurt and emotion which came out last night. I was really distraught and upset whereas I’m usually very much in control and calm when it comes to conflict. I shouldn’t have thrown the glass but I think if anything it was a wake up call for me that things need to change. I’ve never done anything like that before so it made me realise just how unhappy I have become. I’ve become invisible in the relationship because I thought I had to set my emotional needs aside as I should be grateful he’d come round to ttc. It was a feeling of giving so much and compromising so much, but not getting much back, except a half hearted promise that was later retracted. I think it would probably be best for both of us if we ended things, as we both acknowledged there is no solution to this, as we want different things (although he thinks it’s normal to change your mind regularly about what you want, whereas what I want has stayed the same).
I’m just going to take a bit of time (probably away from the internet) to focus on my mental and physical health and try to get back to feeling like myself again. Some people have suggested I’m not fit/suitable/mentally stable to be a mother, because I smash glasses. I appreciate it’s not model behaviour and was wrong on my part but I don’t think it reflects on my motherhood qualities. I’ve been responsible in the life choices I have made to put myself in a good position to be a mother. I wanted to do that as a family with someone I love, but it doesn’t seem that this relationship is a good foundation at all. I think once I had already committed so many years to the relationship I just over compromised and made allowances because it seemed harder to start the entire process again. And my partner has many good qualities so I thought it was my job to see past and work through the other issues. But it seems starting afresh is what I need to do - either on my own or with a new partner.
I’m taking some solace in the fact that I actually felt better last time we took a break. So hopefully I can get myself back on track relatively quickly.
I think I lost myself quite a bit in this relationship and this ttc process, so I just need to be kind to myself through recovery and hopefully find myself again. I expect my partner will backtrack as that’s usually the cycle - silence/retreat then some calm/thoughtful discussion then he’ll backtrack because he doesn’t want to lose me. But it is now very clear to me he doesn’t want this deep down.

OP posts:
growinggreyer · 27/08/2020 15:22

Well done, Snow. You sound like a reflective and emotionally open person and you will continue to think things through. Please secure your property - do you have a friend that can come and stay with you until you have managed to get your ex to leave and take all his belongings and then change the locks. You can take some time to decompress and then plan your route to motherhood. Good luck!

DennisTMenace · 27/08/2020 15:25

Seeing as he is gone, change the locks immediately and pack up his things to collect at a convenient time. You deserve so much better than this. If you stay with him you will lose your chance to have children, but he could still leave you and knock up the first woman he sees.

RyanBergarasTeeth · 27/08/2020 15:25

Well done op. Maybe its best to send a text saying get your stuff by this time and then block his number and just put his stuff in binbags until he collects it. Dont listen to his excuses when he comes back.

peanutsandpinenuts · 27/08/2020 15:40

So glad you are back in your OWN house OP. Change the locks!!! And as others have said pack up his stuff and no excuses when he comes round to collect. He sounds like the type that will go back and forth on TTC until you hit menopause.

OhCaptain · 27/08/2020 15:51

@SnowWhite1985 it’s great that you’re back and that he’s gone.

I really, really would pack his bags for him and tell him they’ll be outside to be collected at x time. And change the locks!

As for saying you shouldn’t be a mother because you smashed one glass, one time, in one stressful situation? That’s too ridiculous to countenance.

TorkTorkBam · 27/08/2020 15:58

Take control back.

usually the cycle - silence/retreat then some calm/thoughtful discussion then he’ll backtrack because he doesn’t want to lose me

Sod the cycle. You can message him immediately saying sadly last night shows the relationship is over, you appreciate him having moved out so amicably, you will pack up his things and he can collect them on Sunday at 3pm (or whenever).

Change the locks immediately and start packing his stuff immediately. Psychologically it is important.

Nanny0gg · 27/08/2020 16:05

@TorkTorkBam

Take control back.

usually the cycle - silence/retreat then some calm/thoughtful discussion then he’ll backtrack because he doesn’t want to lose me

Sod the cycle. You can message him immediately saying sadly last night shows the relationship is over, you appreciate him having moved out so amicably, you will pack up his things and he can collect them on Sunday at 3pm (or whenever).

Change the locks immediately and start packing his stuff immediately. Psychologically it is important.

^^This
EKGEMS · 27/08/2020 16:07

Cannot believe you left your own home for a hotel because you broke a glass! He's as manipulative as a snake oil salesman! Manipulated you to think you'd have kids then manipulated you to return to the relationship by lying and then manipulated you to leave for the hotel! Kick his ass out and spend time with your loved ones then consider your options at parenting.

Mix56 · 27/08/2020 16:17

You must be rocking with this sudden implosion of your life.
However, you must now, NOT let him return, most people have a nightmare getting their X out.
Grab this opportunity to refuse to let him back in.

SpaceOP · 27/08/2020 16:23

@TorkTorkBam

Take control back.

usually the cycle - silence/retreat then some calm/thoughtful discussion then he’ll backtrack because he doesn’t want to lose me

Sod the cycle. You can message him immediately saying sadly last night shows the relationship is over, you appreciate him having moved out so amicably, you will pack up his things and he can collect them on Sunday at 3pm (or whenever).

Change the locks immediately and start packing his stuff immediately. Psychologically it is important.

Yes, this.

Well done OP for being on the right path.

Vinosaurus · 27/08/2020 16:24

He is a manipulative, melodramatic excuse of a man. Seriously - you need shot of him ASAP. He knows the distress he is causing you, he knows he has all the time world whereas you don't. Who does that to someone they love?

I'm so glad you own the house and that you aren't married. And also that you're now home and he has gone. Personally, I'd get the locks changed and text him to tell him he no longer lives there and to arrange a convenient time with you to collect his belongings.

russetred · 27/08/2020 16:38

Thank you for taking the time to update on this. It sounds like you're facing up to the reality of the situation - I wish you all the luck in the world going forward and starting a better phase of your life. And please, change the locks and make sure he knows that you've made up your mind and you won't be manipulated/emotionally blackmailed into changing it. Sending you lots of strength and future joy.

exPR · 27/08/2020 16:52

@SnowWhite1985 well done. I’m glad he’s gone and you are seeing that there isn’t a future.

Your ability to reflect on your behaviour and why you did it, plus your very obvious ability to be kind and forgiving are great traits for a mother.

Time to put your dreams first without the dead weight. Good luck.

ALLIS0N · 27/08/2020 17:06

Do what @TorkTorkBam said.

Dery · 27/08/2020 17:17

Another seconding (probably seventhing or eighthing, in fact) TorkTorkBam.

Also you have said this: "I’m taking some solace in the fact that I actually felt better last time we took a break. So hopefully I can get myself back on track relatively quickly."

This tells you everything you need to know. Even leaving aside the question of children, this is not the man for you.

Pamper yourself and take things very gently for a little while, and get some support IRL as well.

Onwards and upwards.

SkyMoo1 · 27/08/2020 17:32

@TorkTorkBam

Take control back.

usually the cycle - silence/retreat then some calm/thoughtful discussion then he’ll backtrack because he doesn’t want to lose me

Sod the cycle. You can message him immediately saying sadly last night shows the relationship is over, you appreciate him having moved out so amicably, you will pack up his things and he can collect them on Sunday at 3pm (or whenever).

Change the locks immediately and start packing his stuff immediately. Psychologically it is important.

Another yes to this. You really need to put yourself first now.

You sound like you'd be a really great mother. Flowers

Vodkacranberryplease · 27/08/2020 21:38

Changing locks costs a fortune. I know that after being burgled. There's probably only one or two you really have to change and believe it or not it's not actually totally difficult to do if you get the exact same lock (you need that otherwise there's all kinds of cutting into the frame etc)

I got burgled spent £600 on a new one plus shared front door) then left my keys inside. Another locksmith had to drill my new lock off. I was actually locked in the hallway (neighbour had locked the second lock on it as we were doing) & I was so not going to buy yet another lock.

I bought that exact one online and fitted it myself. Bit faffy but not impossible. A job for the weekend maybe?

BeardyButton · 27/08/2020 21:56

This will not end at conception. If you do manage to force him into it, he will hold it over you forever. He will use it to excuse shit parenting. Do not have a child w this man, even if he begs you again.

TorkTorkBam · 27/08/2020 21:58

For most normal locks you measure up then pop down to your local diy store and get a new barrel.

www.diy.com/ideas-advice/how-to-change-different-types-of-door-locks/CC_npcart_4100001.art

It is easy.

Vodkacranberryplease · 27/08/2020 22:17

Even better then! I bought a whole new one but thinking about it was able to use a lot of what was on there. I think cause I bought it online it wasn't apparent which barrel to get. It was a security one - not banham but met all the security standards.

MulticolourMophead · 28/08/2020 10:44

@TorkTorkBam

Take control back.

usually the cycle - silence/retreat then some calm/thoughtful discussion then he’ll backtrack because he doesn’t want to lose me

Sod the cycle. You can message him immediately saying sadly last night shows the relationship is over, you appreciate him having moved out so amicably, you will pack up his things and he can collect them on Sunday at 3pm (or whenever).

Change the locks immediately and start packing his stuff immediately. Psychologically it is important.

I agree with this. Get the ball rolling, take back your power. Don't wait for him to return when he's ready, upset the balance and get his stuff out now.

The quicker it's all gone, the quicker you can get into the healing process and look forward to being a mother.