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ttc for a year - now he says I'm an abuser

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SnowWhite1985 · 27/08/2020 02:24

My partner and I have been together almost 6 years. We're both 35 (I'm almost 36). About a year and a half ago we took some time away from our relationship (temporarily) because I wanted kids and he didn't (at least for the foreseeable future). Prior to that he'd said he'd be ready in a year, and then the next year said can we wait another year etc. After getting fed up of this, I told him that he needed to tell me straight what he wanted because I didn't think I'd be able to sacrifice having kids to be with him if he didn't want kids. When we were apart (it lasted a couple of months), he spent a lot of time with one of my close female friends, who has a young daughter. He hadn't wanted to split/take time apart, and after spending time with my friend he sent me all these messages begging me to get back together. He said he wanted kids with me so badly and that spending time with this woman and her daughter had made him realise how much he wants to be a dad. He said he was just scared about being a good dad and he wanted us to be in the best position we could be to be parents. At the time the only two friends I told about this thought it was manipulative, as he did a 360 going from "I'm absolutely not ready to have kids right now" to "it's my dream to have kids and please don't take that away from me it's all I want and I want it with you". He said to me that I had taken away his dreams and that his dream was to have kids with me. So we reconciled.

We started ttc almost immediately after that. I started doing all sorts of tests, researching etc to give us the best chance. I have low AMH but all my other tests came back normal. He was reluctant to get tests. He was supposed to be getting sperm tests but put it off and hasn't done it yet. He didn't give me any emotional support or take any interest in my tests etc but I didn't think that was a massive red flag - it just felt a bit lonely so I turned to the wonderful ttc boards on here for support.

Anyway, this month we missed the first two days of my fertile window. My partner - as soon as he knew it was my fertile window - said he was struggling to cope and had to focus on work. He barely talked to me for a couple of days. I asked him if we could try to conceive at least once this cycle and he got upset with me saying he had to prioritise work. After I asked him again what was up and if something bad had happened at work, he said he doesn't want kids right now and that he has to focus on work and can't cope with the pressure of doing "both". I asked what he meant by "doing both" and he said his work and a relationship. He said he never wanted to ttc, but that he thought it was the only way we'd stay together because being "just us" would never be enough for me. He said he wants kids in the (distant) future but not anytime soon because the timing isn't right. He said he can't even focus on our relationship right now never mind kids because he has to focus on work.

Earlier tonight we had a big argument. I was feeling particularly emotional because it's close to my ovulation and it felt like such a missed opportunity. I feel like I'm losing time to ever have kids. And he was barely talking to me which felt like some sort of punishment. In any event, I started off really quite calm, but then I got incredibly upset because he wouldn't look at me and he wouldn't say what he wants or how he feels or where we stand. So I just got more and more frustrated. He ended up not saying very much and I just got upset and talked about my feelings a lot. I did give him plenty of time to talk but then it was just incredibly long, awkward silences. What he did say was that he feels that this relationship was a means to an end for me and that I'm only with him because I want kids. I said isn't it normal to want a family with the person you love and who you're in a long-term committed relationship with? But he said it hurts him that he'll never be enough for me and that I prioritise having kids above our relationship. He said I've made it a condition on us being together and he can't deal with that.

As it became clear to me that he doesn't actually want kids, I said that what he said to me a year ago now felt misleading, and that I felt like he's been stringing me along when it wasn't really what he wanted. He says he meant it at the time but that his feelings fluctuate from day to day. He said sometimes he feels fine with ttc in theory and other times he doesn't and he said in practice it makes him feel physically sick because I'm ready for it and he's not. He wouldn't say when he'd be ready, if ever. I then asked him to describe his ideal life scenario over the next 5-10 years if there were no rush or fertility issues. How he wanted life to be. He then proceeded to describe where he would live, work, success in professional life etc and didn't even mention me or kids.

Anyway, we then took a bit of a time out as he said he didn't know how he felt about me or about having kids with me and that he needed time to think. I just got more and more upset with the silence and the lack of answers. So I went to the kitchen to do the dishes and ended up breaking down sobbing then I threw a glass at the wall. He was upstairs at the time so nowhere nearby. He then told me to leave as he couldn't stand to look at me but I proceeded to clean up the glass. Once I finished cleaning it he said I'm an abusive and violent partner. He asked me again to leave and said he couldn't even look at me right now. So I left. I'm staying in a hotel last night. We live together but I bought the house we stay in - so technically if anyone should leave it should be him. But I also felt really ashamed.

I still have no answers and I haven't heard from him since. He says he definitely wants to be with me but he'd rather it be "just us" for the foreseeable future (or forever because by then it would be too late for me to have kids anyway, which he acknowledges). I suppose he is right to say that I've made our relationship conditional on us having kids. But I don't think it's fair for him to ask or expect me to give up ever having kids just because he doesn't want them right now. He also pointed out that time isn't an issue for him as he can likely have kids into his 50s - so this is an issue for me not him.

In summary, it's all a big fat horrible mess. The conversation, which lasted for hours, was really distressing for me. But I don't feel like he's listened to, or will even acknowledge, anything I've said now - because I threw the glass and I'm now the abuser. I just can't see how we could go from actively ttc a few days ago to this now.

At the same time I feel like I already knew all of this deep down and none of it was a surprise to me. He already showed all of this before he begged me for us to reconcile last time. His actions throughout the ttc also showed me that but I chose to believe his earlier words, which didn't match his actions.

I don't think I do want to be with him if he doesn't want kids with me. I've always thought of relationships as a (potential) family, rather than just being about two people. He seems to think I have to put him first before everything and not want anything myself. I made it clear from when we first met that having a big family was really important to me.

It all feels horrible because now he's acting like I was using him to have kids because that's all that's on my one track mind and it was some sort of plan of mine from the start to use him as a means to an end. He actually said that the relationship was just a means to an end for me and that all I wanted was kids. And he's saying I'm abusive and violent so as to avoid acknowledging any responsibility for his own action. It's like me throwing the glass cancels out everything I've been through for the last few years. Before I threw the glass he acknowledged he'd never been there for me emotionally but said he just didn't have the bandwidth for a relationship most of the time as he can only concentrate and expend energy on one thing (work).

I've found it all incredibly unsettling - I'm starting to feel like I was responsible for this entire argument when in fact he initiated it by completely changing his mind about ttc. I feel so guilty for smashing the glass. He wouldn't look at me afterwards and told me not to come near him or even think about touching him. I felt horrible.

I know we won't talk for a few days at least, possibly weeks, because that's the way he is whenever we have a disagreement. When anything is difficult emotionally he retreats and I'm left wondering where I stand for ages.

But I think the relationship is over. I'm finding it difficult to separate my feelings regarding the relationship from the grief I feel about not becoming a mother anytime in the near future, or perhaps ever at all. It feels like more lost years and that time really is running out for me to ever have children. He's been incredibly distant recently but I just put up with it and tried to focus on other things because I was grateful we were finally ttc. I feel like he's taken that last bit of hope away from me. And so I threw a glass.

OP posts:
JulesCobb · 28/08/2020 11:27

I expect my partner will backtrack as that’s usually the cycle - silence/retreat then some calm/thoughtful discussion then he’ll backtrack because he doesn’t want to lose me.

It isnt that he doesn't want to lose you because he cares about you. It is because he wants to control you. It is part of the cycle of emotional abuse. As is ignoring you for days.

Pack up his things, change the lock, block him.

GabsAlot · 28/08/2020 14:26

you actually havent said if youre not letting him back in-just text him and say his things will be outside dont let him try and talk you round

picosdeeuropa · 28/08/2020 15:07

He is going to hide behind the 'smashing the glass' as a reason he isnt having DC, your now an abuser makes it easy for him not to admit the truth. Which is he has lied to you for years and strung you along..

Foggyday124 · 29/08/2020 00:23

I hope that you are ok OP

SnowWhite1985 · 29/08/2020 05:10

I’m ok, thank you for asking.
I didn’t change the locks or kick him out on the street because I don’t believe that’s the right way to behave towards someone you’ve been in a committed relationship with for so long.
He came back, we talked. It was helpful for me to get closure. My decision to go our separate ways was even easier after talking. He said he would be ready to try to conceive in 6 months and he just needed to work through some things at work first to get in a better position to have kids. I just didn’t believe him, and - more importantly - I didn’t even want to believe him (compared to last time when I really wanted to). He said he didn’t change his mind about wanting kids but he had done what I wanted and done things my way but that he felt it was too stressful and that some of the romance was gone with timing ttc and the fertility tests etc. He suggested we watch a movie then have some romantic sex (before we’d even talked through these issues properly). I actually felt physically sick - my feelings have completely changed because I feel so betrayed. I said to him he’s doing what he wants and I need to do what’s right for me. He said if I’m thinking of having a child by other means then that’s selfish, crazy and irresponsible. Then he gave me a lecture on parenting. It was all rather unpleasant. Called me crazy for breaking the glass. He just talked about himself a lot and there was no acknowledgement of, or care for, what is important to me. He said my expectations of him were way too high which seems ridiculous as relationship wise I’ve really come to expect nothing from him as I was so grateful he was ttc with me. He said he couldn’t believe I would throw away what we have over him not being ready yet when it’s only temporary. Then he suggested I’m not good at my job and I should focus on that more like he’s focusing on his work. Oh and he blamed the pandemic. Then he said fate brought us together and we’re meant to be together. It was all a bit surreal. Then he ridiculed some of my friends who have prioritised family over career (including the woman who he spent time with last break up), saying they’d never amount to anything in their careers. It all came across as arrogant and self absorbed. It was different to last time, when he really convinced me this was what he wanted. I realised I don’t want to have kids with him at all. We had sex once right before my fertile window this cycle and I actually found myself worrying that I could be pregnant - which felt really strange as I’ve spent such a long time hoping that I was pregnant! (Of course if I were pregnant I would be happy to be having a child - I just realised I couldn’t see him as the father). Then he said he was doing this to try and help me be a better parent. And he said he couldn’t believe I’d prioritise having a child over our relationship and said that’s what the problem is because I care more about that than him. He said love should be enough for me and it’s not and that’s my problem. He said I’m punishing him because of life choices I’ve made prior to meeting him which meant I left having kids too late whereas he just needs a bit more time. He said he’s deeply hurt that my end goal is all about having a child and that I seem to think he doesn’t have a choice in the matter.
I’ve asked him to move out this weekend which he says he will do.
On the plus side, I had a lovely long catchup with some friends tonight (virtually) and I’m feeling more myself again. I feel like I am able to think more clearly now. Also one of my friends told me that a mutual friend has liked me for ages. He’s a genuinely lovely guy (and he’s objectively way more physically attractive than my (now-ex) partner). Not going to rush into anything...but it’s nice to know!

OP posts:
rorosemary · 29/08/2020 06:16

You sound in a calm and determined place right now. You can't unsee his manipulation anymore, thst's good. You sound strong and I think that you will be fine. I'm glad for you that he is moving out quickly.

It's always nice to hear that someone is interested. It's a good feeling and in a way a big compliment 😁.

Prettybluepigeons · 29/08/2020 06:18

Can I ask what his job is? I'm intrigued by a job that an adult man feels he has to pursue at the cost of everything else.
Most people go to work AND have families etc

CiderJolly · 29/08/2020 06:42

I think you can see right through the bullshit now can’t you?
He has a massive ego doesn’t he?

Well done anyway for getting to this point so quickly.

I would still want him out ASAP and I suggest you start putting yourself first over him. You don’t need to listen to bullshit anymore. Life is too short.

He is only putting you down to try and make you put up with him for longer- if he can destroy your self esteem then maybe you’ll be grateful for the crumbs he offers. I’m glad you’re not falling for it.

Persipan · 29/08/2020 06:55

He's really just throwing sentences at you at this point to see which one will stick, isn't he?

Well done on asking him to go, and I'm glad you've been able to have some time to get back to feeling like yourself. Onward and upwards - I'm rooting for a lovely future for you.

Yeahnahmum · 29/08/2020 07:06

Op come on. You let him tell you to get out of your own house??

And your relationship is over and be thankful as fudge that you didnt have a baby with him. He sounds like a nightmare and a liar

Also dont ever throw a glass again. Yell or scream yes. But no glass throwing!

seriousandloyal · 29/08/2020 07:07

He is so awful, even reading that made me feel annoyed, so patronising! Well done OP for seeing his nonsense clearly for what it is. Onwards! Your life will be so much better without him in it, just do not engage with any further attempts at manipulation, he will probably try again. Good luck.

Prettybluepigeons · 29/08/2020 07:08

You know, she is a grown adult. If she wants to throw a glass in an otherwise empty room in her own house, why shouldn't she?

Oblomov20 · 29/08/2020 07:08

An abuser? Oh purlease. He's been stringing you along. Chuck him out of your house and go and get a sperm donor.

Yeahnahmum · 29/08/2020 07:09

Oh good you acted on it. Goooo op!!

But dont rush into anything new op. Yes it is flattering
But take some.time for yourself.

YukoandHiro · 29/08/2020 07:16

I've just read your update. Well done for being so strong. Isn't it funny how suddenly the scales can just fall from your eyes.
I'm sure there will be tough weeks ahead, so just keep hold of all those things that he said to you (maybe screen shot your post so you have it all to hand). You're right, nobody you want to share a life and child with would say those things to you. You will find someone who respects you for exactly who you are, not trying to make you into someone else.
Funnily enough the friend of mine who went through this exact situation was belittled about her career too. This seems to be a common thread when men who are messing women about try to shake their confidence.
Hope the moving out goes smoothly. Enjoy having your place and your head back! Xxx Daffodil

RodeoDive · 29/08/2020 07:20

Ugh, he's a piece of work isn't he?! I won't even bother to go through all the rubbish he's come out with, how it contradicts itself and why it's patronising, arrogant nonsense because it seems you're well aware of that already!

Well done, OP. Good riddance! Onwards and upwards!

Joistlooking · 29/08/2020 07:29

You have been very dignified in all of this. He obviously didn't want to lose what you had, but only on his terms. His accusations of your being selfish and prioritising having a family over him are so easily reversed - he is selfish and prioritising work over you.
Hopefully this final conversation has given you closure. When his promise of trying in 6 months didn't achieve his desired effect he resorted to personal criticism - not the way to win a lover back.
Good Luck and hope you find the happiness you deserve.Flowers

legalseagull · 29/08/2020 07:33

@ALLIS0N

Don’t have a baby with a gay friend. There’s no way to avoid legal battles - if he’s the bio dad he has rights, if he chooses to exercise them. The courts will always put The welfare of the child first, whatever legal agreements you and he enter into before TTC.

Impersonal is the way forward. Last things you need is to enter into another agreement with a man who may or may not want kids and could change his mind about what he wants, when he wants it and how much involvement he wants.

Anyway, do you really want a child with a man who will want all the nice bits of parenting ( Christmas Day, first day at school ) leaving you with all the hard work ? Because that’s usually what they mean by “ we want to be dads “. They mean Instagram dads.

If they wanted to be full time dads they could adopt. The fact that they haven’t shows you how serious they are.

It’s not your job to make their dream happen. Starting working on your own objectives, not other people’s.

What are you basing this on apart from their homosexuality. How homophobic can you be?!
OliviaBenson · 29/08/2020 07:40

Well done op. His 'he'll be ready in 6months' is pathetic and I'm glad you saw straight through it. As for all the rest, there are no words.

MadeForThis · 29/08/2020 08:13

Sounds like the blinkers have finally came off and you can see him for what he is.

She is self centred and wants all the focus on him. How does that translate into being a father? It doesn't.

He is angry because you want a baby more than you want him. That's the bottoms line.

IHeartSusanDey · 29/08/2020 08:16

What are you basing this on apart from their homosexuality. How homophobic can you be?!

I think Allison talks a lot of sense, actually.

LaLaLandIsNoFun · 29/08/2020 08:26

You’re with an abusive, manipulative cult. My ex partner would do these same things, and also bamboozle and demean me. If I broke down and yelled back or threw a glass or ended up self-harming (not at him and it only happens a small handful of times) that meant I was violent, abusive and an alcoholic.

Year he’s the one with the conviction and I was the one with the injured arm after he got hold of me - he’s also the one with my child because SS were too stupid to see what was actually going on (now proven after a two year fight through their complaints process)

FFS do not have a child with this man and go find your self-esteem before you lose it completely (and you will) and end up completely broken.

Queenoftheashes · 29/08/2020 08:28

What a gaslighting, manipulative cunt he is. Desperately deploying each nonsensical lie in his arsenal to con you into a bleak future tethered to him. Ugh. Well done for seeing through it. You’ll be so much happier now.

Getoutofbed25 · 29/08/2020 08:37

Go home now
Kick him out, bags packed and leave today
He is manipulating you, it’s time to get angry
Smashing a glass was nothing, he is using this to make you feel bad and have control over you
He is playing a game with you, wants you but doesn’t want you, there is no future in the relationship as he isn’t committing you are convenient for him
Get online and work out a plan to become pregnant by donor
Focus on you and a strong body and mind to help you become pregnant, eat well, take vitamins. I had low AMH and in my late thirties had 2 beautiful children.
Don’t waste another minute on this guy.
Having a child will far far far exceed this relationship you will wonder what the hell you were thinking staying with him.
Get the ball rolling and you will be closer to realising your dream. Good luck, it’s amazing having children and you will know you have given it you best shot whatever the outcome ❤️

TorkTorkBam · 29/08/2020 08:58

Great update. I'm liking the sound of the hot mutual friend as I get the vibe you like him too. I am so glad you saw your ex's selfishness clearly this time.

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