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Dear NSTBXH

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WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

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WellWhoKnew · 19/10/2014 21:48

Okay, thanks for asking - it's been a tough week at the "office" and I'm struggling a bit to find humour in it all. Although the potential is there, but I'm yet to find a coherent way of expressing myself in my own inimitable style.

But on the plus, my lovely neighbour has decided I needed help, so helped in an unbelievably kind way.

Another lovely neighbour has delivered jam.

Another neighbour came round to tidy up the outside of my house today (as this week, I've been a bit lackadaisical).

A load of complete strangers (one man in particular) got involved in rather substantial problem and have resolved it at considerable time and energy to themselves. Utterly gob-smacking that they have, but they did. I am humbled. STBXH couldn't care less, and is in fact, highly critical of the solution. However, of course, he 'couldn't help' at all in any way.

Another neighbour popped over for tea to just see how I am and to remember the village thinks I'm lovely!

Several Mnetters are keeping me just the right side of sane (you know who you are).

I hope I do the same for them.

As I just observed on someone else's thread - my weight-loss has been fabulous indeed. My arse now arrives in the room shortly after I do. The other arse in my life remains at large, and large.

He's not quite decree-ing what I should do with the cutlery yet, but he's getting close.

Life remains on-going. Divorce sucks.

Humour will return....

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Karenthetoadslayer · 19/10/2014 22:32

Love your update!

mineofuselessinformation · 19/10/2014 22:43

The humour's still there, you know. I laughed out loud at your description of your arse (the one attached to you, not the one you're married to!)
It sounds like you have some great people around you.

yougotafriend · 19/10/2014 22:59

99% of people are lovely, caring and kind. How come we ended up married to men in the 1% category?

TheHoneyBadger · 20/10/2014 14:00

99% might be stretching it imo.

i could offer a few suggestions of what to do with the cutlery but they wouldn't be very helpful Wink

AcrossthePond55 · 20/10/2014 17:59

I'd like to tell HIM what he can do with the cutlery!!!

Zebraface · 20/10/2014 20:13

Koko WWK.

This time next year you will be out of the woods ....I promise it gets better.

I even find myself singing to tunes now,seriously never thought I could ever do that again at one point.

[Flowers]

Zebraface · 20/10/2014 20:16

Idiot me

[Thanks]

petalsandstars · 20/10/2014 20:51

No capitals zebra Thanks

WellWhoKnew · 20/10/2014 21:33

Thank you all for the positive thoughts and giving me the giggles (Zebra).

Never thought I'd laugh again but I do sometimes. Just not as much as I used to. I'm still trying to think about what I can say about this week's shenanigans...so will update shortly.

Have wine, am motivated!

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thenamehaschanged · 20/10/2014 21:45

Come on WWK, have a big glass of wine and KOKO! You have been amazing and you still are - I don't like 'seeing' you down in the dumps like this.

Whatever that stupid arse has been up to this week is a) nothing unexpected and b) further clarification that thank God he's going to be out of your life once and for all very very soon Thanks < that's what you were after Zebra! Grin

WellWhoKnew · 20/10/2014 23:50

Dear NSTBXH,

I've been a bit confused this week. 'Snot that difficult really, is it to confuse, confound and bewilder me. Let's face it.

We are now in the process of completing the next set of documents as we prepare for the Final Hearing. These are called, officially, the 'Narrative Statement' (mine) and the Schedule of Deficiencies (yours).

The idea of you having deficiencies is actually rip-roaringly funny.

I 'spect you won't be finding it quite so amusing.

Even though the practical realities of composing a narrative statement essentially means trawling through the attic looking for evidence, going back in time, recalling facts, dates, whatever it takes to prove my version of events to thwart your assertions.

And as for a Schedule of Deficiencies: that has also meant a thorough, intensive analysis of the goings on within your bank accounts. It also means that I know what you did last summer. And last Christmas. And in March. And in May. And in fact in August. And all the other months in between.

It's not quite telling the same story as the 'narrative' you were telling me.

In fact, it's not even the same as what you testified to a judge in a court of law.

Surely it would be so much easier if you just co-operated with this divorce you instigated, and accepted that our marriage is over?

'Cos it appears to me, you are furious 'bout getting divorced.

Did you not know that when I am divorced, I get to make the decisions and live with the consequences. 'Cos y'know getting divorced means becoming separate independent individuals.

But, not only am I to blame for you fucking off without notice, it's all my fault that our divorce is not quite following your 'genius plan'. But I think I've worked out what has gone wrong.

You, see, your genius plan was just a tad deficient...because it actually involved me co-operating with the divorce you instigated.

And to a point, I did, but there was no fucking way I was going to lie to a court of law. But lying is your thing. That's what you do.

So now, you're flinging mud left right and centre, but it's you who is the pig stuck in the mud, flapping around trying to get out.

I'm kind of moving on.

And boy are you furious 'bout that.

I was supposed to go away quietly. Can I just point out - it's still you doing the yelling?

I just sit here being rather quiet.

Wife, not even yelled at a wall for weeks. It's peaceful.

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aylesburyduck · 21/10/2014 07:41

Good morning WWK.

Just keep in your mind that the courts don't like it when people dick them about.

Judge is going to whip NSTBXH into the middle of next year.

Thanks
TheHoneyBadger · 21/10/2014 11:07

relish the peace. sure it will feel empty at times but when the dust settles you can fill it with whatever you like and i don't doubt good things and people will appear (as they have been doing) to fill it with.

he'll just be left shouting into empty space but without you even listening anymore.

mineofuselessinformation · 21/10/2014 21:34

Hmmm, so the gaps in the story are beginning to show, eh?
Ah well, (please don't think I'm being too flippant), you know the end is approaching at whatever speed it must.
So, you've got plenty of time to plan what you're going to do to celebrate when this is all over - a party? (Am I invited?Grin) Something else?
I bought myself a 'divorce ring' when it all came through. I figured I got a ring when I got married, so it was only right to get one when I was divorced. It's a cocktail ring - I really like it. Smile

yougotafriend · 21/10/2014 22:05

I've been looking at rings today.... not going thru a divorce but thought a "seperation" ring would stop my left hand looking so bare

captainmummy · 22/10/2014 08:54

WWk - you know why he is not co-operating with the divorce he instigated! It's because this is not the divorce he instigated. The divorce he wanted was the one in which he walked away months ago with 95% of the assets, you in a mossy caravan in a field, and his place a Master of the universe assured. You're right, his 'genius plan' has a big, genius-sized hole...

This divorce is the one you instigated, where he is exposed as the cheating, lying, cheap SOB that he is (to everyone else) - this divorce is yours.

So, his bank statements are 'interesting', no? I do hope 'someone' picks that up....

WellWhoKnew · 22/10/2014 11:55

Yeah, you're right Captain. The Master of the Universe has just one deficiency.

[Whispers: He's not actually the master of anything. He doesn't even wear a cape.]

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thenamehaschanged · 22/10/2014 12:42

Absolutely Captain. He's a controlling twat who's had his control taken away from him.

I'm sorry WWK. I watch with interest though because I'm just about to embark now on this as you know Thanks

AcrossthePond55 · 22/10/2014 15:44

Well, he may be 'master of his own domain' (a la Seinfeld) but that's about it!

captain hit the nail on the head! It's not HIS divorce anymore. And it's driving him bonkers (and he was already halfway there to begin with!).

I'd like to give him a cape alright. A lovely hooded red silk one. Then send him off to Granny's house and hope he meets the big bad wolf. Actually, he's already met the BBW! And her name is SHL!!

WellWhoKnew · 22/10/2014 17:07

Dear NSTBXH,

I'm merely doing the housework and I always find that the best time to get annoyed with you. So whilst I have a coffee, I thought I'd drop you a quick line and deal with some trivialities caused by you.

We are coming up to the six month's anniversary of you leaving and there's so much I need to tell you because there's absolutely nothing going on.

  1. You're a fuckwit.

Obvs.

  1. You were once really attracted to me. You once really loved me. You once really admired my intelligence. You once really admired my ability to solve problems. You're divorcing me. ME. I am now officially the size and weight of when we first met. I think it's time for a more radical haircut and a new wardrobe because I feel more like the woman you met. Not the woman you kicked into touch.

Good.

  1. I never thought I'd write this, but I don't really care. I just want my new life and I'm months away from that. You always thought impatience was my weak point. Well it's been sorely tested in recent months - I've made it this far. It was me who thought you'd broken me. Turns out I can be wrong.

Damn.

  1. Whilst tidying up the office, I realised you've spelt your name wrong on the Form E v4. Just like you spelt my name wrong on the divorce. It matters little, it just sums up the contents of it.

Inaccurate.

  1. I am pissed off with paying all the bills. You used to do this job - you considered it the Man's job. You're still giving me money to spend though so there are such things as good habits. Stop fucking wracking up the bills - this apparently is a bad habit. It is a bizarre gender reversal within our forced marriage. Please don't consider the 'full works', I would not like you as a woman. I don't even like you as a man.

At all.

  1. Everyone gets hurt in divorce. I've done my acute hurting period. I suspect you are just starting yours. It sucks by the way, and takes months to get through.

Suck it up.

  1. I think back to the early days when you made all your 'decrees'. Now of course, we have 'court orders'. I've completed mine. How about you? I wonder whether you are going to keep me informed of your side, since you whinged so much about not knowing what was going on my side. I don't need to spend time worry about this. I have faith in the team to do their jobs.

After all, I'm not the control freak.

Wife, back to the tidying up the chaotic house.

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TheHoneyBadger · 22/10/2014 17:36

it is a nightmare but it's all down in black and white now. i think maybe see his choices and actions as falling one way or another. re: on the side of YET more evidence of what an unreasonable, time wasting, resource sucking untrustworthy arsehole his that should pay fees or what an 'amost normal' reasonable, transparently hoenst person he is.

i'm no lawyer but i hope and pray that the more he falls into the latter camp with wads of evidence the better this pans out for you. the thing with this guy is that his arrogance has proven so extreme that he thinks he can ignore not only you, your commitment, your lives and love etc but also the courts, judges, shls etc. he seems SO convinced of his supremacy that he can't fail but to hoist himself by his own petard as the saying goes.

i can't imagine how hideous it is to witness someone you love and considered yourself in partnership with to go that far off the track of sanity and fairness and compassion BUT the further he goes the more undeniably explicit he makes it for those in positions of having to deal with the fallout from such megalomania like 'endings'.

i'm sorry but also glad that he continues to so explicitly be a complete twat

TheHoneyBadger · 22/10/2014 17:39

former not latter and forgive the rest of the messy grammar and typos. i'm a year into breaking contact with family and have dealt with a whole new level of madness today and am more than little thrown. it seems to have screwed my literacy as well as my sense of peace.

WellWhoKnew · 22/10/2014 17:43

Yes, my typing goes to pot when I'm upset too, Honey (as in your name, not a term of NM endearment, although actually the sentiment is there, but I'm a tough lass me). Hope you find some peace quickly. Take care.

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TheHoneyBadger · 22/10/2014 17:49

it's ongoing wwk. there's no peace point bar funerals and no doubt the mental/emotional continues beyond that Smile

this is a chapter - however huge - of your life that was entered into and can be exited from. there will be other chapters x

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