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Dear NSTBXH

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WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

OP posts:
slug · 05/02/2015 13:09
oldgrandmama · 05/02/2015 13:21

... and this song too (sorry if it's been posted before):

TheFormidableMrsC · 05/02/2015 14:19

He is taking you to court? I think you got there first flips bird

IthoughtATMwasacashpoint · 05/02/2015 14:30

I don't know about contempt of court, he is, without any shadow of a doubt, contemptible, both in and out of court.

If GG is that G he will try his patience too far.

AcrossthePond55 · 05/02/2015 14:47

Oh come on everybody! It's only logical. He's taking WWK to court for taking HIM to court!!! Divorcing him, she is. How very dare she!

Honestly, I don't know how he manages to piss without wetting his boots.

It really IS a case of a man who has truly believed he is "master of the universe" very slowly getting an inkling that maybe, just maybe, he ISN'T!!

WWK, as much as you don't want the job, you are really standing in for those of us who had a shitty ex, but never got to see him get his comeuppance. I'm terribly sorry you're having to go through this, but seeing his manic gyrations trying to bring you back under his control (impossible though that is) really gives me a smile (and an eye roll).

ptumbi · 05/02/2015 15:19

slug that song is fab! Not heard it before - time for a re-release I think! How's your singing, WWK????

Jux · 05/02/2015 16:02

Splendid songs from slug and oldgrandmama, both of which are highly appropriate here.

CookieDoughKid · 05/02/2015 16:33

WWK - If it wasn't that this is unfortunately happening to you in real life - I would say your STBX is glorious glorious entertainment. Trully. I lurk a bit here and I've never seen a thread run so big like this and all due to this f*cker. Gawd, it's such good car crash entertainment - bring it on some STBX - you have us all enthralled.

WWK- I hope you write that book. You have 90% of the material already here.

I hope the whole world gets to read what a w@nker he is and that you get to profit from it.

WellWhoKnew · 05/02/2015 16:53

He is comedy gold...

Dear STBXH,

Thank you for your solicitor's letter, which will be put before the judge, complaining about my conduct of last night.

I cannot understand which one of you is the more stupid - her for liaising with you, or you for your conduct of the last two nights.

Thank you for instructing your solicitor that I am not able to communicate with you directly despite the fact that the court ordered me to communicate with you on this one specific matter, at your request, and which you succeeded on, something I find deeply regrettable.

I didn't even type anything, bar your email address, I just forwarded it to you asking 'yes' or 'no'?

This question clearly was too difficult for you to comprehend.

Instead, you behave like a candidate for the Monster Raving Loony Party, that having knocked on the front door, won't accept a polite "No thank you" only to come to the back door, and try again. "Fuck Off" wasn't said, thankfully, it was much more court acceptable than that, because I had previously agreed what to say and do with my magnificent SHL.

I look forward to you taking to back to court as you've stated you will if I don't reply by lunchtime four hours, 51 minutes ago, but your fucking hopeless solicitor only just sent it across.

And I really look forward to putting that costs application when you fail, as you will, given both you and she are giving the two fingered salute to the court.

It is hysterical!

Woman not remotely hysterical. Rather calm as it goes.

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Clutterbugsmum · 05/02/2015 17:29

I thought he couldn't talk to any solicitor about this. Isn't his solicitor breaking some legal rules (can't think of the word I wan't) by helping him take you to court.

Bogeyface · 05/02/2015 17:36

I think that he cant get any legal advice while he is under oath in the divorce hearing, but I dont think that stops him getting advice or taking WWK to court on an unrelated matter. Whether this is unrelated is another matter........

WellWhoKnew · 05/02/2015 17:47

Yep, that's what I was led to believe so I'm bewildered as to why she's advised him and written a letter. It is not an unrelated matter, it is very much a part of the financial matters.

I'm pretty sure it's contempt. Will speak to SHL tomorrow as to what next. What's so hilarious is that shs has banned me from communicating with him on issues that I am court ordered to.

I live in Planet Insane.

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AcrossthePond55 · 05/02/2015 17:47

Wait, WHAT? He contacted his solicitor? Bwa-ha-ha-ha-hah!

If I were you & SHL, I'd be examining the communication from his sas (sorry ass solicitor) with a fine tooth comb to try and link it to the divorce proceedings any way I could. Including linking it by saying it was harassment due to the divorce proceedings not going his way!

Andro · 05/02/2015 17:56

15+ emails in one night is harassment, his solicitor advising him against cort order could see her in contempt of court and in professional hot water!

WWK, your management of your exh and his stupidity is truly exceptional.

WellWhoKnew · 05/02/2015 18:05

Well, if they get their way, I'll be back in court in a few weeks on this matter and again in March...

This supposed to be my breather break from stress of litigation hell.

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latersbabes · 05/02/2015 18:08

Words fail me...he's insane.

You're amazing.

WellWhoKnew · 05/02/2015 18:08

Well thank God I did manage to see SHL yesterday and thank God that we both have notes of what was said and agreed at that meeting, and thank God I gave her a copy of the email that I sent, and we discussed it, and thank God we agreed a response, so we have a timeline of events as they unfolded to put before the judge. I am seeing her again tomorrow. And thank God I actually like the woman!

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AcrossthePond55 · 05/02/2015 18:28

Honestly, I think that SHL should offer you a position when this is all through! You would make an excellent legal clerk and one hell of a researcher. Not to mention an liaison/advisor to her clients in keeping their own records and organizing them to present. AND a legal-ese translator!!

Fuck it…..she should PAY you to go to law school and then have you join the firm!!

WWK, LLB, QC, any-other-string-of-important-sounding-letters. You could be the Amal Clooney of the divorce courts!!!!!

Jux · 05/02/2015 19:28

He is utterly mad. His sas is either incompetent or looking for an excuse to change career surely? How can it possibly be worth her while to have done this?

CookieDoughKid · 05/02/2015 20:03

Jux It's worth her while because she's mincing her client for lots £££

FrancesNiadova · 05/02/2015 20:12

Ooh, WWK, as he's gift wrapped it, it really would be rude not to. Unwrap and enjoy, but you'll have to wait until March!

Jux · 05/02/2015 20:40

But CookieDough, isn't there some sort of stronger punishment for a sas who is in contempt? If the client's in contempt, then the lawyer is even more so. Have I misunderstood something very basic?

MrsMot · 05/02/2015 20:41

Utterly bonkers, both of them.

DameEdnasBridesmaid · 05/02/2015 21:45

There is no end to this man's lunacy.

auntpetunia · 06/02/2015 07:07

My head is befuddled by his legal team, wtf are they playing at? Am assuming some junior solicitor rather than a senior one, but whoever it is is likely to loose their job and bring the company into disrepute if they have so blatantly ignored the court ordered no contact with client. Hope SHL and WWK enjoy more wine and sort the fecker a out.

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