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Dear NSTBXH

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WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

OP posts:
TheHoneyBadger · 05/10/2014 09:41

they're there for the people lumbered with those who cannot or will not do things amicably and sensibly.

your stbx is one of those - if people like him didn't exist we wouldn't need lawyers but sadly they do and i think you are very sensible to bite the bullet of fees and avoid having to deal with him direct and have your mental health destroyed and risk just being so worn down and desperate to be rid of him that you agree to anything in the end. that's how bullies work so you need someone who doesn't give a fuck about them and has a shield of professionalism to deflect the crap with. SHL and SHB.

in an ideal world you wouldn't need them but when getting divorced from a numpty with delusions of grandeur and cognitivedisarseholiance they're necessary.

TheHoneyBadger · 05/10/2014 09:42

also look at this way - this guy is such a wanker to deal with you have to be PAID to do it! lol.

Thumbwitch · 05/10/2014 16:09

WWK - just found your new thread and caught up - sounds like Friday was indeed an "interesting" day for you! and thank goodness that you have released funds now, and that he will be fucked over if he keeps trying to rob you blind any further.

Hurrah for Team Armageddon! x ThanksWine

MrsC1969HJ · 05/10/2014 23:07

All the comments...am there a 100%, but then we both know what tossers these "men" can be. Hope you've had a peaceful weekend, look forward to a catch up...and as a poster said above "write a book", I will, hope you will too! x

WellWhoKnew · 06/10/2014 03:23

Dear NSTBXH,

I am writing to let you know I've had a far from peaceful weekend.

I feel it's important to do this because, clearly, your 'heart condition' means you're particularly vulnerable to suddenly dropping down in death.

And I can't afford for that to happen right now.

I have been battered by the hurricane that has been my life for five months now. I am sure your heart palpitations are calmed by the news there's been mere force 10 gales all weekend.

Which, when you plan to take up an invitation to go sailing, is a bit of a disappointment to cope with.

But it has to be acknowledged that I've moved from the metaphorical to the meteoric.

Stormy seas remain the order of the day, alas.

As I say, this weekend has not been peaceful.

It has been a riot.

I've still been sailing, met new people, made new friends and nearly 'wet myself laughing' because of you.

Someone asked whether I was married. I said "not quite yet"

And added glibly "He left suddenly: I think I farted"

Ten minutes later, we calmed ourselves enough to discuss the weather.

I'm guessing there will be more hot-air this week.

Wife, increasingly wind resistant.

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AcrossthePond55 · 06/10/2014 04:10

And added glibly "He left suddenly: I think I farted"

He may have left because you farted, but leaving a woman like you means that his BRAIN FARTED!! Smile

Sail on, WWK, sail on.

TheHoneyBadger · 06/10/2014 10:57

Grin i was thinking last night what a good job it is i'm single given the state my stomach was in! apologies for tmi, not sure what it was i ate.

i'm so glad you're having fun. there is this huge world! you can't eat it all at once or have the moon on the stick all day every day but there are opportunities and shiny bits and fun bits and connections and all manner of things when you're not tied down by dross. i have every confidence you have great adventures and joy ahead of you. he has to continue in delusional twat world beyond this divorce - you only have to be their till the decree absolute.

WellWhoKnew · 07/10/2014 19:43

Dear NSTBXH,

This week is the week of revisiting.

I suppose this is the next stage in the divorce process: necessary as we prepare for a full hearing of all the circumstances of the case, which include the behaviour of both parties during the divorce, and also in the marriage. It entails having to undergo a thorough revisiting of the history of our relationship and marriage.

Not a rewriting of, though.

You should read the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 some time, but I suppose, just like the marriage vows, they don't apply to you.

Or, perhaps, as master of the universe, you feel these can be re-written?

I have been traversing the UK today, passing many places filled with so many memories. Revisiting so much familiar, that is now lost to me as a happy memory.

Nothing looks the same any more. Even things that we deemed beautiful, on revisit just seem a bit, well, err, like you.

Pretty ugly.

But unless you decide to co-operate with this divorce that you instigated, I will have no option but to revisit your face. You have determined that, unsurprisingly, as you are master of the universe. But you are no longer someone attractive to me. On revisit, I am certain I will find you physically repulsive.

I'm not so good with images, after all.

I am also revisiting the court undertakings and doing what must be done. I too continue to dispose of assets, and put them into the escrow account. In turn, you have for the third month running, deemed it wise to spend my spousal maintenance for me. I revisit the month of Skint-ober, having survived Skintember, and SkintAugust. Perhaps next month I will be able to afford to revisit the heating oil company. 'Tis getting a tad chilly now that Winter is revisiting.

Now, what I must do is go back through all your bank statements and work out your lifestyle. You know, the one I've recently been learning about. It was a shock then, but on second visit, it is no longer a surprise. Your disposing of your side of the assets is a shocker even on second visit. Surely, if you should revisit your decisions: ask yourself why you are so firmly of the opinion you are master of the universe? Why do you deem it one rule for me, and another for you?

Are we revisiting 1972?

A re-visit of the bank accounts (and your four Form Es) is necessary, though, considering I can't afford for my solicitor to do it for me.

And I'm very good with numbers, after all.

And also what I must do, is now turn my attention to assets further afield and arrange their disposal as you have previously decreed I must do. Followed by decreeing I must not do. But the decreeing I must do. Fuck knows now, what I should do, but I do it all the same.

Now as well, what I must do is also revisit our thousands of emails over the years, in which important decisions were discussed and agreed, promises and undertakings made, and abandoned or sold, or disposed of.

It's a darn good job I'm not one for deleting things on a whim, unlike you, it has to be said. It helps me keep to the facts and not re-write history.

And I'm very good with words, after all.

I have bought yet another new printer in order to further bolster our substantial bundle of our marriage. By the way, that's two you've killed off now.

Printers, I mean, although it also applies to your marriages.

And in other news, no revisiting of a sex diseases place - for now. For now, I'm all clear! Although I was asked out on a date today...

But I had to revisit my current home, 200 miles away! Alas.

Yours, all over the place; yet firmly centred on doing what needs to be done.

OP posts:
ninetynineonehundred · 07/10/2014 20:38

Op delurking to say that despite everything you are going through you still find the resources to support other posters who are having a tough time. I find that amazing.
Your posts sound so strong but so full of pain and I hope that you have plenty of rl support. X

NannyOggsCat · 07/10/2014 21:02

Just a hand hold and Flowers to cheer you up wwk. Keep on trucking, you'll get there!

mineofuselessinformation · 07/10/2014 21:02

WWK, will that be the final hearing (including financials) then? To include an absolute?
I do hope so.
I'm so sorry that you feel so much of your past is now not what you thought it was. It sounds like you're in the process of making some good memories now, though. What's next after the sailing? Bungee jumping, white-water rafting? After all, they'll be nothing compared to this...
KOKO. The light at the end of the tunnel is not an on-coming train, is is truly the end of the tunnel.

WellWhoKnew · 07/10/2014 21:11

Thank you Nine. Your post is lovely.

Yes, great support both from MN and RL - and those that have dared traverse the two! But yet, I knew I had no one to turn to in the early days. SHL entered centre-stage only on day 10. She was the first person who knew.

Honestly, it's the fact that I'm not alone that brings comfort. The ultimate irony is despite what's happened to me, and as horrible as I'm finding my divorce, by writing about it, I've gained so much support and found my coping mechanism.

But, I'm also learning, anyone who is in it is suffering it in exactly the same way, and when you're divorcing a twat, the stories are amazingly similar. The details are whether or not you come from ample money or limited income, genetic impairment or stunning beauty; obesity or body beautiful, gifted and talented children or not quite. These issues matter little.

We are all divorcing the 'master of the universe'.

And, the fact that I live in a village, and that since this 'disaster' has befallen me, I'm thoroughly well cared for by the village, who I barely knew before this befell me....

And I have to weigh that against the fact that my husband despises me! My husband and I together had been my whole way of life....

Which, I think is what others are dealing with too.

But, helping others as I've accepted other's help ensures all of us inhabiting this parallel universe, are a community of 'mad ex-wives'.

It's all of "yous": single, happily divorced or happily married, that we look at sideways Wink.

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Zebraface · 07/10/2014 21:58

You are Awesome WWk (& that is a word I don't use lightly).
Spot on......it stinks that SO many go through this.
You are brave & strong & you are finding inner strength which will serve you well for a good life,I know xx

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires · 08/10/2014 01:32

Ladies, I think it's time you take up Darts & play for the local pub team. Grin
So go out buy yourselves a cheap board & set of "arrows", put a copy of your NSTXs eyes on the triple 20 and the rest is history. Wink

captainmummy · 08/10/2014 07:19

Wwk you are going to have a sea of paperwork! How lucky that you discussed things in writing, and that you kept it all. So organised and efficient
And yes, I have no doubt that you will find his face abhorrent; even a gold plated and diamond studded turd is still shit inside.

MrsC1969HJ · 08/10/2014 12:13

WWK, hope yesterday went OK. That is an amazing letter to NSTBXH...I could have written the same, we all could, couldn't we? Suffice to say, I am one of those whom you have offered endless support and for that I am eternally grateful and hope I have a friend for life!

Karenthetoadslayer · 08/10/2014 17:41

Grin Skintober - same here! This cheered me up in the middle of my budgeting disaster.

That's the sort of humor we need right now to keep going!

Wordsaremything · 08/10/2014 18:55

October 2014 - skintober
October 2015 - month of mists and mellow fruitfulness

koko!

Karenthetoadslayer · 08/10/2014 23:26

Lovely wishful thinking Words

jaynebxl · 10/10/2014 07:43

You're doing great WWK.

AcrossthePond55 · 10/10/2014 14:20

"even a gold plated and diamond studded turd is still shit inside." True that Captain!

But hopefully the courts will chip off all that gold and diamonds as a settlement to WWK, leaving the naked turd for all the world to see!

WellWhoKnew · 10/10/2014 19:05

Dear NSTBXH,

It's Friday, and therefore the day of dealing with Fuckwittery, after a week of dealing with the endless consequences of you leaving the marriage. And that got me thinking...

You are outraged (but not from Tunbridge Wells) that you have to give me spousal maintenance. You are also "discusted" it appears as well.

You when you promoted yourself to 'Master of the Universe', you deemed me a mere useless employee.

So I think I should let you know a few things.

Firstly, I do, in fact, have a 'job'. I am the CEO of Fuckwittery Liquidation PLC.

As you may not know, CEOs have a unique role in the organisation - given that there's only one of them. They are the people tasked with steering the (dis)organisation in sometimes turbulent, hostile and competitive environments. They are most certainly the people who focus 'holistically' on the problems and the delegate to the best available person to actually do the work.

Now clearly some of their time is spent 'wining and dining' - it is after all, a requirement of the job to be social and build up contacts for their "little black book". And occasionally, they have to deal with complaints. So I'll deal with yours directly by calming your outrage and "discust" by explaining a little more about what it is I actually do.

Like all (dis)organisations, Fuckwittery Liquidation PLC is divided into a number of departments. In Fuckwittery Liquidation PLC, these are called "Sales and Marketing", "Human Resources", "Legal Services", "Creative and Innovation Dept" and "Accounts".

So in the Sales and Marketing, we find the important team members Mr Broker, Ms Agent, Master Ebay and Miss Auction. It is my job to sign the important contracts and negotiate terms. Occasionally, I have to personally oversee the transactions. These can be difficult and emotional, but it is my job to put on the professional face of the (dis)organisation.

My job requires me to travel far and wide, shaking hands, nodding and smiling, negotiating, and of course, the making and taking of phone calls [Yes, that onerous task again] in order for me to accumulate the marital wealth, which is the goal of this (dis)organisation.

And then, of course, I have to liaise with the Human Resources Dept. This is headed up by Ms Sanity Checker and Mr Careers Advisor. Ms Sanity Checker chats to me about the personnel involved in the (dis)organisation and occasionally discuss the morale of the (dis)organisation. She often has some very sensible advice, like today, for example she recommended that the CEO drink some wine and detach from doing the paperwork. Mr Career's Advisor is responsible for me valuing the skills that this force of labour has and helps steer the CEO into the unknown future.

The "Legal Services Dept" is probably the team you are most familiar with. You know what they do. I realise, you are particularly disatisfied with this department, and for that I apologise for their oversight of not recognising you as the Master of the Universe. Rest assured, I will have a word with them on Tuesday, and in two weeks' time, and again in November, and again in December. We'll see if they've listened in January when you next liaise with them.

"The Creativity and Innovation" department isn't really sure what it does except sit around having thoughts and ideas, some of which make sense. They are the most flexible of team members and don't really work to a schedule as it impeeds their creativity apparently. This is also the biggest department of CEO Fuckwittery PLC, with far too many people working 'flexi-time' on my case. They are also the most fun to hang about with.

And finally, I oversee the "Accounts" Department, which is a more sobering division of the company so I don't like to spend much time there, although sadly, it seems to demand a disproportionate amount of my time. And it is in the Accounts Department I shall be spending time with this weekend given we are preparing to undertake a hostile invasion of a rival (dis) organisation's market share.

So whilst I remain very busy as CEO of Fuckwittery Liquidation PLC, I still am an employee like every other member of the team. I was just one who had to call in sick for a while after steering myself through some very turbulent, hostile and competitive times.

I now know looking at the information contained in your Form E you first started buying those pills in December, and they had a profound effect on your mood, which I noted then. You have still refused to give us one of your credit card statements. I suspect there's a very good reason for that. But it took until May for you to leave. By then I was utterly exhausted and emotionally battered. And so when you deemed me a 'useless' employee, may I just remind you, please, Master, that it took you FIVE months to come to terms with your decision.

It is now FIVE and a half months since you left. And I'm promoting myself these days.

You can just fuck off.

Wife, CEO of Fuckwittery Liquidation PLC.

OP posts:
AcrossthePond55 · 10/10/2014 21:31

WWK if Fuckwittery PLC ever goes public, I'll buy shares! Any PLC with you as CEO will do brilliantly!

Anniegetyourgun · 10/10/2014 22:21

Go ahead, liquidate his ass.

MrsC1969HJ · 11/10/2014 21:01

Love x

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