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Dear NSTBXH

991 replies

WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

OP posts:
Redhead11 · 03/10/2014 21:47

That is a brilliant outcome. pity you are tied to him legally for a while longer but just remember that it is a shorter amount of time than you have already had to put up with his fuckwittery! Enjoy the champers!

yougotafriend · 03/10/2014 22:00

Checking in to the new thread. Well done on today

NumanoidNancy · 03/10/2014 22:12

Been lurking, with you all the way. Its another little step forward. I'm two and a half years and about £7.5 grand into trying to achieve a divorce from my ex (who left me to be with someone else but still won't let me be divorced and is pulling some of the same stunts as your pet idiot). Its infuriating and I feel like I am shackled to the stinking dead weight of an elephantine corpse, trying to drag it to the edge of a cliff where I can cut myself free from it forever! Doesn't help that the law insists I am supposed to be able to talk and reason with this corpse so it will magically wake up smiling and set me loose. All power to you for dragging yours just that little bit further today.

Wickeddevil · 03/10/2014 23:10

Joining you on thread two to keep supporting you. Wishing you a good evening Flowers

captainmummy · 03/10/2014 23:18

Wwwk -I know it's complicated, but I don't understand why you can't apply for the absolute before next year? Why are you tied like that for another 6 months or so?

MrsC1969HJ · 03/10/2014 23:24

Captainmummy, I am in the same position...advice is not to apply for absolute until finances are sorted...mainly because it is difficult to vary an agreement once divorced so you need to get it straight the first time. I could have been divorced from "Mr WT" in March, but here we still are...I know this is different for WWK because she is not the one divorcing but same principle applies!

Jux · 04/10/2014 00:18

Excellent, WWK. Enjoy the party Wine

WellWhoKnew · 04/10/2014 00:21

It's to do with the finances. If the absolute is issued then I cannot claim his pension if he drops down dead, basically. So if I were to get SM or any kind of capitalised award, I wouldn't get it. It's an insurance policy basically.

Apparently it is better if he walks on this earth. I'm not so sure...but he's out there, still being a twat just waiting to control the next one....

Form an orderly queue, now, ladies....

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AcrossthePond55 · 04/10/2014 01:34

Hmmmm, so if you divorce you lose his pension but if he dies, you keep it?

Psssst, I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy……. OK, not really. Just wishing I could help.

Does this mean forever or just until a certain date. My cousin was offered a share of her Ex's pension in lieu of keeping the house. Luckily her SHL realized that her pension share would stop when he died as he would 'no longer be eligible for the pension if he was dead'! She opted for the house.

WellWhoKnew · 04/10/2014 02:15

Sort of Across. It's a very, very complex area of divorce law. Which is why you need a SHL to interpret it for you, who will work with a SHB to know all the possible applications that can be invoked.

Alternatively, you can hire children's law specialists....

How you manage your divorce settlement, all comes down to what is negotiated. Note NSTBXH: negotiated and not decreed.

Which is why the 'circumstances of the case' vary from marriage to marriage. There are absolutely no hard and fast rules. UK Divorce law is vague in order to find the best way forward for both parties.

See six judges, get six different outcomes is the reality.

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captainmummy · 04/10/2014 07:17

Ah OK, thanks for explaining. (Hi mrsC! How's things?)

I suppose that as he may drop down dead from his heart(less) condition, - or was it the dodgy dick?- you really should get the finances set in stone. And hope that he pays up.
KOKOKA !

Karenthetoadslayer · 04/10/2014 07:36

Just checking in. Smile

Very well done, WWK

thenamehaschanged · 04/10/2014 07:49

Yes me too! Well done wwk!Grin

TheHoneyBadger · 04/10/2014 07:59

hope you had a great time at the party and manage a lie in today.

certainly well earned!

MakeMeJumpIntoTheAir · 04/10/2014 08:01

Still following here too, hope you had a blast at the party! Wish MN would make this thread into a printable format so that I can re-read it discretely during my commute as there are parts I think I have missed or misunderstood.

UptheChimney · 04/10/2014 09:06

Been following your thread. You are brilliant!

Sister77 · 04/10/2014 09:25

Good(ish) news OP.
You KOKO
And cuntcakes can KOBAC (keep on being a cunt).
You're a star!Wine

Zebraface · 04/10/2014 12:03

Well done WWK.
I think it takes FDR to make the fuckwits realise this is serious...not all about them!
But having spent £13k on divorce myself,after xh pissed off with family friend....I still can't help but feel SHL & SHB have it all tucked up anyway & laugh_all the way to the bank Sad

WellWhoKnew · 04/10/2014 12:21

I know what you mean Zebra, however, I just see it as a return on investment, yes it's costly, but it's still cheaper than giving up and letting him claim the lot.

I could, perhaps, have done this myself, but I wasn't strong enough, and wouldn't have a clue where to start, or how the law works. I salute any woman who has to self-litigate because it's stressful enough just being in this situation!

There were two people self-litigating their FDR yesterday. Their discussions were heated to say the least...

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MrsC1969HJ · 04/10/2014 12:26

Captainmummy, hi my love, hope you're well. Have updated thread.

Hope you're feeling calmer today WWK...catch up with you on Monday x

MusicForTheMasses · 04/10/2014 12:27

I remember my solicitor advising not to go for the absolute and for those reasons. It's very frustrating but will make the moment you get it even sweeter.

Zebraface · 04/10/2014 12:54

I really admire you though WWK
With what you've been through this past couple of weeks....& yes, it is a return on investment. Its about getting what is fair & legal....& I think more so in your case...with your other assets etc.
You will get there in the end,I promise.
Look after yourself x

TeapotDictator · 04/10/2014 13:11

I agree about the lawyers WWW. I really don't like the attitude that it's they who are laughing all the way to the bank - obviously not all lawyers are the same but I feel as though mine have done everything they can to avoid litigation. If they are signed up to Resolution, which most family lawyers are, they have to make a commitment to try to resolve things as peaceably as possible. The trouble is when you are dealing with a Thoroughly Unreasonable Type, their position is so far in the extreme that there is no negotiating to reach a fair 'middle ground'. In your case his position is "live in a caravan"; yours is "can I have approximately half of the marital pot please?". There is no way forward other than litigation sadly.

eddielizzard · 04/10/2014 14:34

i've lurked for several weeks. i have to say that it would give me extreme pleasure to indulge my pmt rage were i to meet your vstbexh in an alley somewhere. i can't imagine how much your blood must be boiling.

so, just to offer some support. i think you are amazing.

i also think you should write a book.

KiaOraOAotearoa · 05/10/2014 09:20

Hats off to you OP. Thanks

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