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Dear NSTBXH

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WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

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Wordsaremything · 11/10/2014 21:05

Koko, op .

TheHoneyBadger · 13/10/2014 14:08

imagine his letters to the customer services dept.

WellWhoKnew · 13/10/2014 15:27

Ha ha! I do actually think I may have written about some of them on here.

He is now not communicating with me (bliss) thanks to Mr. Judge and the undertakings.

I shall not cease and desist!

Dear NSTBXH,

I have been doing my thing, which is not very much, aside from still trying to sort out the mess of the marriage you have left me in, and am now preparing, in the absence of you becoming reasonable and co-operative, for the full hearing in January.

This divorce is becoming quite an adventure, and one that still has some time to go. Well, who knew? Not me, for certain, I married for life and thought that would bring us endless adventures together, and indeed it did for fifteen years.

So whilst last week was a lot of revisiting of places and memories, this week is a lot of revisiting of words and memories.

I have had to read every single email from you that I have in order to get dates, intentions and pattern of our marriage. We used to write about sex a lot, which surprised me, and we used to make lots of adventurous plans together - which were fun. Great fun. There were plenty of LOLs too.

We made a lot of decisions via email. And it is those emails I have to share with SHL in order to prove our intentions within the marriage - and why we made the decisions as we did. It is, quite frankly, the last bit of privacy we had as a couple, who were largely private to others anyway, and now that too is invaded.

Getting divorced is quite possibly the most undignified thing a person has to do in life - it's like a RL version of that nightmare I sometimes get that I'm walking down the street naked.

I also, I realise,quite good at writing without knowing it, as I have regularly over the years kept friends and family up to date with our latest shenanigans (whatever they may be) and what's going on within the marriage.

I have also had to go through your Form E and deduce your spending habits. Well that has been an adventure and a half. And I have realised, you still have yet to disclose your credit card statements. So back we go again...

I have also become an Internet Stalker and given how we used to be such a private couple, it's amazing what's "out there".

It has been an excruciating couple of days to say the least. You lie, you deceive, and you abandon responsibility. And yet, you believe, you have been 'wronged' by me.

And tomorrow, this latest chapter of my divorce gets handed over to SHB and SHL.

I don't know what the future brings but I do know whatever happens, you won't like it.

You not half a whinger, I think, now I've read your emails. I used to apologise a lot.

Wordy Wife. Leaving you to whinge. I ain't apologising.

OP posts:
WellWhoKnew · 13/10/2014 15:29

I also, I realise,quite good at writing

And then prove that I'm not....!

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AltheaVestrit · 13/10/2014 15:39

Oh yes you are!

TheHoneyBadger · 13/10/2014 16:10

ah we're stream of consciousness types here without marking and nit picking. grammar and punctuation is not a barrier. save the dotted i's and crossed t's for the courts.

believe it or not i kind of write for a living - no one on mn would know it as my chatting typing is far removed from my working writing and so it should be. much as your emails and intimate communications should have remained private and unjudged but he's forced them into the dirty laundry in public sphere.

i wonder if he really believes he can withhold the reality of what he's been spending his money on with procrastination and nonsense? it's already cost a small fortune to protect him from admitting his reality. maybe he'll wake up son and realise he forgo his privacy and dignity when he walked out and made a legal mess of a once private relationship?

he'll be forced to and i sincerely hope be punished for messing everyone around by not doing so forthrightly in the first place.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/10/2014 18:01

WWK along with writing that book we're all waiting for, you may want to consider becoming a family law solicitor. By the time you're done with your legal travails you'll be able to pass the bar with no additional schooling!!

KOKO.

mineofuselessinformation · 13/10/2014 21:56

WWK, true beauty comes from within, so, naked or not, you are a beautiful person as well as a bloody good writer. As pp have said, the turd, however, will always look like a turd when the diamonds have been removed....
It's horrible having to reveal more of yourself than you want to, but you will never meet those people again once this is over. Most importantly, this is his shame, not yours, so if anyone needs to own it, he does.

WellWhoKnew · 13/10/2014 22:12

Across the one thing I know, absolutely, I don't want to be is a Family Law Solicitor! Can you imagine the first man that comes in and says 'I'd like to divorce my wife but I think she's going to be a money grabbing bitch'?

I'd suddenly discover I'm a martial arts specialist as well.

Anyway, the armeggedon plan is being worked on tomorrow, and in the depths of tears of the last few days, I have had a bit of a brainwave, which needs investigating...but it means I may be able to have a life after divorce.

That'll piss him off because he thinks he gets to decide what I do after this and can't work out why I haven't done it yet.

He is very, very upset about this it appears. Meh.

See what SHL says about it tomorrow. Incidentally, when we boxed up the room de courthouse last week I asked her "Who in their right mind would marry a divorce-law specialist?".

She said "My first husband" and it turned out he was a controlling bastard himself. Which, I think, is why she gets my situation. STBXH really infuriates her too, which is good, I think. She actually swears about 'shs's incompetence (see why I love her).

But yes, it's her no nonsense, firm, assertive manner that appealed to me, and there is that vital ingredient as well: empathy.

She is very much someone I could have as a friend to be honest but for now I'd prefer to keep her as a professional other.

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MrsC1969HJ · 13/10/2014 23:10

Across the one thing I know, absolutely, I don't want to be is a Family Law Solicitor! Can you imagine the first man that comes in and says 'I'd like to divorce my wife but I think she's going to be a money grabbing bitch'?

I'd suddenly discover I'm a martial arts specialist as well

HA HA HA, best line ever! WWK, you have many strings to your bow and martial arts would be a fine addition. I will call you x

AcrossthePond55 · 14/10/2014 00:03

Martial arts or marital arts, you'll be an expert all right!!

Armageddon plan? Armageddon my fair share of the assets. Armageddon myself a damn good life when this is over. Armageddon a few laughs at your expense in the meantime, STBXH!!

MrsC1969HJ · 14/10/2014 00:07

Across....Armageddon indeed! Wink

middlings · 14/10/2014 08:43

Another one delurking just to note your fabulousness.

KOKO

WellWhoKnew · 15/10/2014 17:11

Dear NSTBXH

Thank you for your questionnaire v.2, which I note is radically altered from questionnaire v1.

It appears that on a scale of 1 - 10, you are now acknowledging my intelligence, and have decided it must be insulted further.

But thank you for reducing your questionnaire from 11 less than sensible questions to 2. I can answer these quite quickly.

When I exchanged my Form E with you on the 28th of August, as the court directed, I did not drop down dead from an imaginary heart condition, or in fact any other condition or unfortunate accident on the 29th of August or date thereafter.

Therefore, I disclosed the full amount of assets in the escrow account as was true of the date of signing it, which was about two weeks before the date of exchange. I cannot recall the exact date, but if you look for my signature, which I have not radically changed in your absence, you will find a date. Therefore the information contained within that document was true of that date.

Since then I continue in my role as CEO of fuckwittery liquidation PLC. Therefore, as I continue to live on planet earth, I continue to do the wheeling dealing thing that is my life, and continue to move assets from the asset register into the escrow account.

All of the assets that remained unsold were listed in the Form E. They have now been liquidated by my womanly powers of persuasion.

Therefore, on the 3rd of October, my SHB was informed of the then accurate value of the escrow account, and which we disclosed to you.

If you'd like to get a calculator out, you'll see that my Form E still balances within reason, e.g. estimated sale value has now been realised at factual sales value.

And you want to do a management degree? Can I suggest you do a GCSE in maths first? I'll pay.

I therefore have not given away a single asset. In fact just this morning, at around 5:30am this rather busy, pissed off and frustrated CEO got out of bed to continue in her crusade of asset disposal.

I have checked, and double checked, and can assure you I have nothing up the ying-yang. I could perhaps get a man in to double check if you like.

Question 2. You do not determine my future employers, therefore I decline at this time to write to my previous employers for my likely careers prospects with them.

Wife, remaining an independent woman with an empty ying-yang.

PS your schedule of deficiencies now goes to 12 pages. Have fun.

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AllMimsyWereTheBorogoves · 15/10/2014 17:18

Yet another lurker delurks to doff my cap to you. Your NSTBXH is a tosser of the first water, isn't he?

Thank you for introducing me to a new word, btw!

AcrossthePond55 · 15/10/2014 17:23

Holy Cheese and Rice!! Did he actually get a SOLICITOR to ask question #2???!!! Contact your former employers to ask if they would rehire you???!!! Talk about bare-faced GALL!!

WellWhoKnew · 15/10/2014 17:28

Quite, Across, quite. Apparently, this little woman must go back to doing what she did many years ago, and apparently the Master of the Universe decrees that they should rehire me.

And as yet I find no humour in the four emails of last night from the deluded one. But I shall in future...

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Whereisegg · 15/10/2014 17:39

It wouldn't surprise me if he had contacted your former employers himself tbh!

WellWhoKnew · 15/10/2014 17:46

Oh Lordy, don't say that!

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AcrossthePond55 · 15/10/2014 18:18

Well, hopefully if he did they gave him short shrift!!

From him;
"Dear former employers of my soon to be former wife; I, Master of the Universe, have decided that she must return to your employment at a salary level commensurate with my needs to NOT pay her a penny in settlement/support. Please reply forthwith with her start date and your suggested salary and I will advise you as to whether or not the amount meets my requirements. If not, I will inform you of the correct amount you will pay."

Reply;
"Dear STBXH of our former employee: Fuck off and it's about time she got shot of you. We always thought you were an ass!"

WellWhoKnew · 15/10/2014 18:21

It's a good thing I wasn't a bomb disposal expert in my former profession...

Depending on your perspective, of course!

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aylesburyduck · 15/10/2014 18:39

I just snorted tea out of my nose....

I cannot believe he has the gall to have asked questions 2!!

shocking Shock

TheHoneyBadger · 16/10/2014 07:14

omg! just - wow! i wonder does he have any idea what an entitled nob he is making himself appear? the fact he commits this shit into written evidence to be read by others suggest that no, he doesn't have a clue how outrageously he is portraying himself.

long may he continue to make it so abundantly clear to all involved that he is an unreasonable egomaniac who should pay for the entire bloody legal fees of the whole process at this rate.

Losingmyreligion · 16/10/2014 12:00

Someone is going to call him on all this. I can see it coming. Would love to be a fly on the wall when it happens.

thenamehaschanged · 19/10/2014 01:33

How are you doing wwk? Still bearing up I hope and boiling that gin! Grin

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