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adorably2014 · 08/09/2014 13:33

I posted here in June. I can't seem to be able to link to my old thread. After a summer of ups and downs I have decided I don't want to be married to my husband anymore. He has no idea and now the children are at school again I have more time to plan.

My fear is that because what is happening is always in private, how can I possibly document all this and be believed in the divorce courts? For example this summer he had bought me two really expensive pieces of jewellery which he presented to me in front of the children as a kind of I love you gift, only for 5 days later to do the stuff that has made me decide to leave. So he will easily seem like the wronged man with a gold digger wife. I am also concerned what to say to the children when a split is initiated. I don't want them to know exactly as it would be too awful for them but then again is it going to be possible to protect from everything? I also worry that if I talk about what has been going on then my H could potentially be in trouble which I don't want, selfishly I just don't want to have to live with it anymore.

For the moment I am focusing on my course and work experience where I asked if there was possible paid employment. My boss said they were very busy and would probably have two projects I could help with in October and be paid for. I hope it materialises. In the meantime I am putting as much money as possible into my own account. My H has not got access to it but knows the account details. Is it OK do you think or should I set sth he knows nothing about. For choosing a solicitor is it best to take a WA solicitor or one of my own? I reckon my H will get someone really good and expensive so I need to make sure I have someone very very good.

I tried to find a counsellor before the school holidays but it wasn't that easy. I also found that talking about all the stuff in a way made me freeze and reflect so much that I couldn't act if that makes sense. I think when things are over I will then hopefully find the space to talk ... So for now I am trying to get on with practical stuff like following advice on getting paperwork together before contacting solicitors. My H has loads of paperwork. I know because I sometimes do his filing. There are share certificates, pension stuff etc... Do I need to copy everything? If so,does it need to be recent or can I take copies now even if I don't start anything in 6 months' time.

Sorry I sound like such a cold calculating b here. I am mostly terrified of putting the children through such an upheaval but then I keep reminding myself our eldest saw something was wrong with me during the holiday and didn't really believe the explanation that 'mummy is tired'.

Anyway apart from my few questions not sure entirely why I am posting, for support I guess and to update on previous thread after this long gap.

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AwakeCantSleep · 10/12/2014 08:23

Good morning adorably. You may not be used to putting the phone down on H, but give it a try sometime. It can be very empowering.

Great to hear your aunt is planning to stay with you. She will be a great moral and practical support I'm sure. And nothing like a spot of shopping to take your mind off things Smile
In the meantime you can rely on us to keep you sane (says the depressed and anxious woman, ha!). Take care x

AwakeCantSleep · 14/12/2014 21:34

How are you doing adorably? I hope the presentation for your course went well last week.

Not long now and you are free from your abusive and controlling H. Stay strong adorably, I'm thinking of you xx

CruCru · 16/12/2014 09:48

Yes, I think of you often. Let us know how you are.

NettleTea · 16/12/2014 11:27

Keep checking back too, I hope you are ok

AcrossthePond55 · 16/12/2014 15:53

Thinking of you Adorably and hoping all is well. Fingers crossed that perhaps you are now free of your manipulative H. Or well on your way to being free of him.

My wishes to you and your children for a peaceful and happy Christmas.

AwakeCantSleep · 17/12/2014 18:24

I really hope you are okay adorably (middle name admirably Smile). Sending you strength and ((hugs)) and some (Glüh)Wine to lift the spirits xx

adorably2014 · 17/12/2014 21:26

Thanks for checking on me. Sorry I can't really write much now but the orders were granted. Papers were served yesterday. We are staying in a hotel near the friend from my country at the moment. So we are ok, feeling quite shocked but ok thanks for your kind words. Hopefully we can go back in the house tomorrow. Have to wait and see.

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NettleTea · 17/12/2014 21:28

Pleased to hear from you and so pleased to hear your news. It is bound to be a shock, but when the fog lifts and you can breathe without him, it will be a thousand times worth it xxx

AwakeCantSleep · 17/12/2014 22:22

So pleased to hear from you adorably! Well done!! You have made it, and you have coped amazingly well throughout the whole process. I hope you and your children can get some rest now.

I admire your strength and composure, I really do. Your children have the most wonderful mother they could wish for. One day they will be so proud of you.

Look after yourself adorably Flowers Wine Cake , I'm thinking of you and I hope that tomorrow unfolds without drama so you can settle back in the house. Take care xx

AcrossthePond55 · 18/12/2014 01:09

I'm so happy for you and proud of you. You have made a strong start. I'm sure things will be more peaceful and happy for you and the children.

Bless you, and a Happy Christmas!!!

Flimflammer · 18/12/2014 07:26

I found the months after separation quite disorienting. It takes a while to adjust your thoughts, from "what would please him" to "what do I want".
It will take time to get him out of your head and he sounds like he will be fighting to keep you focussed on him. Well done on getting this far, I can only imagine the strength it has taken. Be proud of yourself, if you find yourself feeling sorry for him, imagine your daughter growing up to marry a man like him...you've shown her now that bad relationships end and she is more likely to form healthy relationships. If you think about him at all, focus on the behaviour that made you leave him.

But most of all,adorably, be really proud of yourself. Take care xx

ptumbi · 18/12/2014 08:24

Well done Adorably! Hope you have a lovely time now without him.

atwitsendbutpaddlinghard · 18/12/2014 08:43

Hi Adorably well done on escaping, without wishing to add to your stress, can I suggest you make your personal safety and that of the children's your top priority now.

Apologies if you have already thought about and discussed all this with your advisors, but perhaps as soon as you are back at the house, arrange for the all the locks, both doors and windows to be changed, make sure you carry a personal attack alarm on you at ALL times even inside the house, plan your escape route from within the house - how would you get away if he breaks in, warn the children not to get into the car with your husband, don't come back to the house alone in the dark (if possible), maybe get extra outside lighting for the approach to the house if necessary? Don't leave any windows open.

Vary your timetable if possible so that he cannot be sure of the times of your comings and goings.

Perhaps ask a friend/your aunt to phone you every day to check you are ok. Perhaps one person for the morning, another for the evening.

You can get little Dictaphone type things to carry with you, to record any conversations if he comes near you (just switch it on within your pocket) (or perhaps a phone can do this?).

Keep writing your diary recording any contacts he makes with you. Keep the diary in a safe place, preferably outside of the house.

Change your email addresses and close any bank account and reopen it so it has a new number.

Do the police know what he looks like? If you see them again, you could show them a photo and tell them the registration of his car.

If you have a car, make sure you have a second set of car keys available. Perhaps have a spare mobile phone kept in a safe place (with a friend?) outside of the house - pay as you go would be cheapest.

I know this could be expensive, perhaps your aunt could buy some of it for you and you could promise to pay her back later - if it's for your personal safety, I expect she would help.

Twinklestein · 18/12/2014 09:11

Congratulations Adorably! Bon courage. And remember, if you prefer, you never have to speak to your ex again, all communication can go through lawyers if necessary.

Sending you strength and best wishes for the comings months.

atwitsendbutpaddlinghard · 18/12/2014 09:14

If you need cash, can you sell your jewellery? Someone here can probably advise where you would get the best price.

acharmofgoldfinches · 18/12/2014 09:15

Oh well done darling, that is the most fantastic news to wake up to Smile I know you will be shell-shocked and wonder what have I done, but you have done the very best thing for you and the little ones. Your new freedom will take a bit of getting used to but there is time for that.

If I knew you in RL I'd be throwing you a party WineBrewCakeFlowers, I have gone all misty just thinking about how brave you are. What a wonderful example for your children.

Take care of the three of you, we are all here when you get the wobbles (inevitable, but all part of the process so don't worry when they happen).

So, so proud of you (((hugs)))

atwitsendbutpaddlinghard · 18/12/2014 09:48

And
don't meet him on your own, ANYWHERE
above all,
don't let him into the house

AwakeCantSleep · 18/12/2014 09:52

Agree with acharmofgoldfinches - wish I knew you in RL so we could throw you a party!

Take one day at a time adorably. You are probably going from hugely relieved one moment, to overwhelmed and scared the next. That is normal and to be expected. We are here for the journey. Take care xx

CruCru · 18/12/2014 10:03

Ah well done!

QueenofallIsee · 18/12/2014 10:23

I have been lurking on your threads for a while and just wanted to say how proud I am that you have made such a massive step - you are on the way toward freedom now

Haffdonga · 18/12/2014 21:49

Oh fantastic. You brave brave woman. I feel incredibly relieved that you are out

I guess it may get worse before it gets better for a while. Your xh (X - how good does that sound?) will know which of your strings to pull to make you feel guilty and turn it all round if he possibly can, so that you will be the one expected to beg for forgiveness. But stay strong and it will be better, much much much better, in the long run.

Merry Christmas and a very very happy New Life! Thanks

upandawayy · 18/12/2014 23:35

Another thread lurker who has been wishing you luck and checking in. I'm so proud of you and pleased you are out

adorably2014 · 20/12/2014 23:47

Just wanted to update and get some perspective on things as I feel quite overwhelmed. We are back in the house now. I had lots of missed calls initially, then a couple of messages and a very long email from h.

He got a solicitor immediately it seems - one of his acquaintances, I think - he wasted no time. Solicitor had one very long piece of correspondence from him. Big differences between his solicitor letter, what he wrote to me/messages and his actions. All in all though his version is: I have had a breakdown and I don't know what I am doing. I have found it difficult being on my own with the kids while he is abroad all the time, he knows he should be more caring and spend more time with us, and that it's very difficult to connect when he is around hence the 'unfortunate misinterpretations'. He wants me to take the only sensible course of action for the family which is to withdraw everything and set up a meeting between the two of us so getting counselling can be discussed. He does agree to us going to my country after Christmas and agrees with the dates suggested for the children to be with his family.

To me (but not between solicitors) he has said different things. The voicemails are more along the line of pleading not to throw away the good time because of his errors, he loves me and why did I not tell him, we can work through things. It's normal to have disagreements but we need to talk. The email though is not nice. He is concerned about the children being in my care as I am not that well. He is threatening all sorts between the lines, including access to the children and joint account.

Also he took quite a few items of furniture and some artworks. Lots of his clothes and possessions are still here, it doesn't make much sense.

Solicitor says not to worry about the threats about the children and we will cross those bridges when we get to them, she says it always happens. She says it's posturing and trying to look reasonable ahead of return hearing. I don't think the implications of all this have entirely sunk in yet. I just feel extremely sad.

I also feel really awful and that I should have waited until after xmas to do this at least. Dc1 asked a lot of questions when I told them and I am not sure how to answer anymore. I said we were separating and couldn't live together anymore and that their dad was going to live elsewhere and that they would go and stay with him often and still see him. I said it didn't change how much we both loved them and that they would see him v soon. It's still really early days but dc1 doesn't seem to buy my explanation. Seems puzzled as to why H took the items too. This morning same questions. I said H needed the items and it was all right and gave dc1 a hug. But then I started crying. I'm so annoyed with myself for not holding it together this time. Dc1 inferred from that I was sad because H had left us. I said no. Now I don't know what else to say, if anything. I don't want to tell DCs that I am the reason behind their dad having to leave, neither do I want to criticise their father. Dc2 seems fine and hasn't asked anything. Just excited about Xmas, doesn't even seem to have noticed H is not around this weekend. dc1 has always been one for lots of questions so maybe it's just the normal way to process things there, not sure. On the other hand dc1 is also the one who would have picked things up more in the atmosphere lately.

I've even wondered that if the questions continue whether I should email H and tell him dc1 is particularly anxious and might need extra reassurance. I think that would help if he got some but that's not on to do that, is it? It's not really any of my business what he says to the children, is it? also it's going to come back to bite me probably as it's all my fault really now, after serving the orders and petition. H asked about the Xmas presents in his email and I am going to have to respond so I could include something there. But then I need to be careful as I don't want to open a dialogue on other things really. The children are going to see H at his family (where we were all supposed to go). But after that I have no idea yet either. I feel that I am being naive again to think that we can exchange reasonable emails about the kids, aren't I? Is it worth trying?

Sorry to be droning on. We did have a nice afternoon at a play and have something else planned tomorrow so not doom and gloom entirely, but I just feel very anxious about what's going to happen and in need of outside perspectives on this (if you get to this point!!)

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AcrossthePond55 · 21/12/2014 00:58

My first advice is to NOT contact your H if at all possible. It would probably be better if you were able to go NC and have everything handled through your solicitor. It's obvious that he is trying to manipulate you. He totally ignores your real reasons (his sexual violence) and puts it down to 'disagreements'. He begs you to reconcile whilst in the same breath he tries to make you look unbalanced and as if you are not able to care for your own children. Obviously his only concern is himself. Do NOT agree to meet him anywhere alone.

I agree with your solicitor, he is posturing to make himself look good. God knows, he doesn't want the truth to get out there so I'm sure he's very anxious to have you withdraw everything! It has nothing to do with you, everything to do with him and what he wants. Keep all voicemails. Keep all emails. Let your solicitor know what he has said.

DC1 will adjust. All you need is to reiterate that both of you love her very much. But that you and H just need to live apart now because it is better that way for both of you. That sometimes that's what happens with grownups. I think DC1 is just trying to be sure that she isn't responsible. Children often blame themselves for no reason. Again, don't contact H about it. You don't want to give him any ammo for 'Adorably can't cope with the children'.

As far as what he took, just make a record of it, especially if it is valuable as it should be counted as marital assets. As far a leaving his things behind, he's cunning enough to do that and then insist that he must come by and get them. Don't let him!! In fact do NOT let him in the house. Meet him in a public place if you must to hand off the children. Better yet, have someone else do it for you.

You don't have to answer any emails you don't want to. Is there a good reason to respond to him about Christmas presents? He's perfectly capable of sorting that out on his own. What he says to the children is your business insofar as keeping an open ear for anything he may say to them about you or the separation. Other than that, no.

You haven't done anything wrong. Don't let him gaslight or undermine you. It's only natural to be on a roller coaster of emotions right now, but as time progresses things will get easier. Let your solicitor advise you as to the best legal course. Let WA guide you and advise you on ways to see through his manipulations.

You'll get through this. Believe in yourself.

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