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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships 30

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CharlotteCollins · 10/08/2014 21:39

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 19/08/2014 12:45

I agree. I emailed KD and told him we couldn't do the contact visit tomorrow because I was ill, and he was asking if there was anything he could do. Confused Not sure what he thought he could help with, but I just said no thanks. Not worth getting into a disagreement over.

I'm just so tired of this all and I am worried it's going to be years and years of this.

CurtWild · 19/08/2014 13:02

May have to see if my parents are out and about and could pop in with some. Really don't want to involve KD as he'll no doubt take my asking for help as a positive step..oh, curt needs me, sort of thing. Plus if he turns up he'll want to stay and then he'll want to talk ..and I honestly am too knackered to be bothered and I'll end up brow beaten.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 19/08/2014 13:07

I know that feeling. When I think about it, I just think "okay, this nonsense has been going on for over a year... when is he going to stop being this way and just get to counselling and focus on getting himself together so he can be a decent dad??" But he won't. He's looking for the quick fix. He claims he is on the waiting list for counselling, but I'm willing to bet he never goes.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 19/08/2014 13:13

I also found out that the motorcycle he borrowed money from MIL to pay for, he gave it to his adult son when he moved out of the area. He could have paid about £80 and got his training (cbt I think it's called) and then he could have used it to go where he wanted, cheaper than bus transport, and could work anywhere really, easier to do the contact visits as not reliant on being by bus service. And he just gave it away.

Now he complains that he is limited to bus service. Well, who gave the bike away? Hmm I just cannot believe he did that. Or he could have at least sold it and used the money to pay for his expenses. But he didn't, then was complaining because he had no money.

Just boggles the mind. When he is well enough to look for work again, he be complaining about the lack of transport and wanting to borrow money (from MIL) to buy another bike, I'll bet. So frustrating. No forward thinking whatsoever.

maybesadie · 20/08/2014 02:09

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AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 20/08/2014 21:06

OMG I'd have died laughing. Did you giggle just a bit? It's actually kind of amusing! Grin

Sorry, but that did make me giggle a little, just at the thought of "hmmm... what rhymes with passive-aggressive cow?" Grin

WeighingItUp · 22/08/2014 06:48

OFFS, woken up this morning and have now had the tieraed (sp) of him asking me if I never think anything through. H wanted to go out and do something this bank holiday, and I brought up the subject of doing something with my family tomorrow as they are all having a get together. Well I said to H I think it would have to be either going out Monday or tomorrow with my family as we have no money for more petrol till payday this coming week. Well of course I got the whole talk about how this happens every month, are we living in a substitutable way etc etc. The last week before payday is always a bit shit, but this is more so as it has been a long month the last couple. Anyway he then goes on to ask me how I was planning to go to the family event tomorrow if I had no petrol in his 'aren't you stupid' voice. I mentioned I thought his car had petrol and got promptly told that there was no way in hell I would be using his car.

He is pulling out all the tricks which usually reel me back in at the moment, but omg it is really grating on me atm.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/08/2014 07:04

WIU Any chance one of your family members can pick you up and bring you home? You can go to the family event without him....

So much for his "good guy" routine, eh? Hmm

Sadie are you okay ? I notice your post was deleted and you've been very quiet. Hope you are okay and safe.

Curt Hiya! Hope you're doing alright.

And everyone else that's been quiet... hope things are okay.

WeighingItUp · 22/08/2014 07:19

I'm hoping my mum will. I said to him if she can then I'd stay round there for the day, and I got him saying that he wanted to see people though... well come along then FFS...

Hoping Sadie is ok too.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/08/2014 09:39

WIU Sounds like he only wants to go if it's his idea, or he doesn't want you to go without him, as then you're having fun without him and he's not the centre of attention.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/08/2014 11:02

Waiting for blow up from KD. He has some paperwork that he needs to get in by the 30th. He lost his previous one from late last year (Dec?) and I just ran across one that was sent in Feb or March to my address. It's just something that might get him some money reimbursed but he needs to fill it in and they have to receive it by the 30th. I was going to bring it over the other day, but I was ill and didn't go.

He hasn't mentioned it and I suspect he has forgotten it. The moment he remembers (past the due date) it will all be MY fault that I didn't get it to him. Even though he lost the old one, he didn't have his mail forwarded so he didn't get the one that came to me, and he's relying on ME to get it to HIM.

I am going to send him one email saying "your paper, your money, your responsibility" and leave it at that. I do not have the cash to take it to him or to go to the post office (and wait with dcs) to post it to him. If I forward it, he won't get it in time. Not. My. Problem.

He says "oh I'll share any money I get back." First of all, he'll change his mind and say he needs it. I don't really care about it, as it won't be that much anyway - I'd rather he use it to pay the stupid council bill he owes. If he is going to give me money, it should be child maintenance - you know, that stuff he's not paying right now? He told me previously "I just need to get my benefits sorted" and now he has and is he paying maintenance? Of course not. He hasn't even offered. He DID however, check out a tattoo shop as he wants to get a tattoo. Hmm Yep. Charming that he puts his kids first, eh? He FULLY would expect me to go without something to make sure dcs have what they need (and I would, because that's what you DO isn't it??), but he doesn't. Ever. I notice he found money to buy his smokes.

ifailatlife · 22/08/2014 12:28

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AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/08/2014 12:48

I don't think most on this thread are worried about compensation for emotional abuse. Some are not even getting the child maintenance they should be getting. Most are simply looking to get out of and stay out of an abusive relationship.

As I'm not familiar with you as a poster, I'll just mention that if you're advertising services, you will fall afoul of MN rules.

ifailatlife · 22/08/2014 13:32

It's not advertising - I don't have any affiliation to the site in question. I just thought I'd pass the resource on.

CurtWild · 22/08/2014 18:39

Evening all..I picked up the same virus as DC, who are now all bouncy and bright as buttons whilst I feel (and look!) like death. Still managing without KD's never ending offers of help.

CurtWild · 22/08/2014 18:39

Evening all..I picked up the same virus as DC, who are now all bouncy and bright as buttons whilst I feel (and look!) like death. Still managing without KD's never ending offers of help.

CurtWild · 22/08/2014 18:39

Evening all..I picked up the same virus as DC, who are now all bouncy and bright as buttons whilst I feel (and look!) like death. Still managing without KD's never ending offers of help.

CurtWild · 22/08/2014 18:41

Ooh what on earth happened there!!! Apologies for the multiple posts, can't say I'm a fan of the new mobile site!

maybesadie · 22/08/2014 19:26

I'm good. I had that deleted because I'm worried about too-specific details. I intended to list the reason why but it took MNHQ 12 hours or so to respond to my report.

I've been quiet because I've been moving into permanent housing. Smile Had the moving and internet to get sorted, and I can't post from the new mobile site.

WeighingItUp · 22/08/2014 20:19

Glad your ok Sadie :)

My mum is picking me up tomorrow, so that's good.

I realised today how much influence H has on me... I was trying to pick up some baby clothes today from one of the facebook selling sites. I couldn't find the place, so messaged the woman back, however instead of waiting for a reply I hurried home as H may have been on his way home, and I know that I would have had to deal with all the questions if I stayed out. Now I have to try and pick them up tomorrow.

Oh and surprise surprise H has talked about buying me gifts (small things) now. Funny how he always says even flowers for no reason cost to much...

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/08/2014 20:56

I'm just tired at this point. I have reached the end of my patience and am sick of all the nonsense. Right now, I'm just hanging in until my counselling starts up next month, so I can get my head around a few things.

maybesadie · 22/08/2014 21:33

Oh Alice, I know that feeling, and we're always here.

I'm trying to get through the weekend: new place is great but it's immensely lonely. Makes me miss ex all the more. Have a blanket I forgot he'd been sleeping on, picked it up and had a rush of his scent. Legs wobbled so much I nearly didn't stay upright. Proper weeping since.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/08/2014 21:44

Against my better judgement, KD and MIL are coming here tomorrow for a short visit, as the earlier visit was cancelled as I was ill. He can pick up his paperwork and see the dcs and then they will be off. One whiff of inappropriate behaviour and he is out the door (and if bad behaviour, police will be rung).

I am going to mention to him that I expect him to tell me how much he is making right now (he's on benefits, and I suspect has put in for DLA), and I expect him to contribute towards the dcs' upbringing - it's not the money, it's the principle IMO. Even £20-25 per month shows some dedication. He'll complain that it's not fair as he doesn't have much - and I'll point out that he didn't even ASK if we had enough when he just stopped paying. Has not ONCE asked if I had enough money to pay for things for the dcs.

I'm unbelievably steamed that he is just traipsing about like he has no responsibilities while I'm run ragged trying to make sure everything is okay here, plus doing repairs/upgrades on the house so the dcs have a nice home, and it just makes me SO ANGRY. (something I need to work through with the counsellor obviously)

If he gets a fucking tattoo now, after pleading poverty (and implying he has no money to help out with the dcs, I will not be happy.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/08/2014 21:48

I am only going along with tomorrow's visit because a- MIL hasn't seen the dcs in ages and b- ds2 has suddenly been talking about death lately (both grandfathers dead and he's been asking questions) and is very upset because he's worried about MIL as "she's very old and I don't want her to die." Sad Although fingers crossed that he doesn't say THAT to her. Blush

CurtWild · 22/08/2014 22:06

alice..hope all goes well tomorrow, wishing you a smooth contact time.

I know exactly what you mean about KD pleading poverty but never asking how you're coping money-wise. I noticed KD had a new phone last time I saw him. I said nothing but I've (pointlessly) stewed over it. How can he have a new phone but tell me he can't afford to contribute to DC? Meanwhile they're growing by the week and all three need new winter clothes/coats/snowsuits/boots etc. Plus the twins' double buggy is barely limping along... Little point in me ranting, really, I know it'll be me who ultimately has to find the extra money. The last time I mentioned the buggy to KD he said 'well, you use it, why should I pay for it?' Because the twins are OURS, not just mine, dickhead.

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