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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships 30

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CharlotteCollins · 10/08/2014 21:39

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
CurtWild · 25/09/2014 19:29

Great advice alice..I'm definitely organising a meeting and I'll keep him in the loop and take it from there. And yes to him reeling it all back in..I've already had an apology text (busy stressy day..didn't mean to snap blah blah blah)..I don't care. I don't want an apology, it's as disingenuous as every other apology he's ever given me.

Switching off my phone.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 25/09/2014 19:39

Yeah I think the fact that he felt comfortable enough to show this side of him again means that he felt that he'd reeled you back far enough to be "himself" (meaning Mr Nasty-and-Controlling) again. I suppose he belatedly realised he dropped his guard too soon hence the apology.

What an utter FW.

CurtWild · 26/09/2014 07:32

Woke up, switched my phone on, instantly got a dozen or so texts he'd sent during the night when my phone was off. Mostly apologising, then asking why I'm ignoring him, then asking who I'm with, finally a threat to cancel the standing order for money for DC (haven't had a penny yet, it's set up for the first of the month)...

Anyway, DD1 is a nervous wreck again this morning, tv is distracting her slightly but she's still refused breakfast. More than anything it's his complete lack of concern, obviously over-ridden by his desire to control and point score over me. I'm taking her in this morning and requesting a proper chat with a key worker. I know some children have a few teething problems when they first start nursery, but I stand by my statement that she's not ready for this yet. So we shall see what nursery say.

As for KD, he reverted back to type so easily, I think all the desire in the world to 'change' won't make any difference in the long run. And it's a drama I just don't want in my life.

Once a twat, always a twat.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 26/09/2014 11:24

Curt I don't think he even really wanted to change. He wanted you to BELIEVE he changed, so he could reel you back in. Then he could revert to form and have you under his thumb, and have things back the way they used to be before you left. My KD is much the same. I suspect it's universal, really.

sugarcoatedthorns · 26/09/2014 23:42

i cant beleive the predictability of them all... that chain of steps that you put there Curt so many times haave i switched my phone on to a battery of texts arriving/missed calls/voicemails, apologising, pleading to not ignore him, I just need to know you are safe, I am worired about you, just answer your phone.......... then angry, then more angry and so on, including then the threats over the DC/money

and that saying sorry thing. Some things you can't just say sorry for, especially not when you meant to hurt and tried to be cruel. Ooops oh I stabbed you, I am sorry. well I'd rather there was a cast iron safey chain on the knife in future so this kind of 'accident' didin't happen again as sorry really doesn't do it?! Hmm

Funnyfishface · 27/09/2014 08:39

Hi ladies - have just read the latest on this thread to catch up with you all.

Curt - sorry you are still going through this. It always makes it harder when the kids are being used as a way to get to us. Fw know which buttons to press !!

It's been 4 weeks now since my solicitors appt and telling oh I have had enough. We have agreed (for now) to stay in the family home as 'flat mates' !!. However I have had to set firm boundaries which he is now sticking to. But the first two weeks he kept on pushing them.
It's difficult in that I am constantly reminding him that I am no longer part of a couple.
He is literally pulling out all the stops. He is being very lovely. Which makes me so mad - they can do it when they want to!!
It's too late for me. I don't feel the same. I feel in control of my own future for the first time.

Obviously living in the same house is not ideal - my family are worried that he will worm is way around and I will weaken - however the opposite is happening . I'm stronger.

CurtWild · 27/09/2014 09:05

sugar they must all follow some kind of universal fw script Confused

fff glad to hear you've come to some kind of agreement, I have to say I understand your family's concerns as KD lived together upon a separation a couple of years back. I was very adamant that it was over but he was suddenly lovely (yes, amazing that they actually can do it if required!) and I'm sorry to say I did weaken and set the leaving process back by 12 months. Stupid, stupid me. I hope you keep your resolve Smile

KD 'popped in' when he got back from work yesterday. Apparently he couldn't beae not to see us for one more minute, had cried at work Hmm, and wanted to apologise and clear the air. I told him I don't care about the dating sites, I just feel an idiot for even allowing myself to think he might've been on the level, and wrt DD1 and nursery, I'll be led by what's right for her, not by what suits him. And if he wants to cancel the standing order for DC to just go ahead and do it as I'd rather live on what I have than accept anything from a man who uses money as leverage. He backtracked about DD1 and agreed with me. Told me the online dating profiles have been deactivated, waggled his wedding ring at me and asked if I'd been listening. I told him I've heard enough bullshit to last me a lifetime. He then told me I'm still an effing stuck up bitch who doesn't realise he's the only one who'll want a wrong side of 40 mum of 3 so I should be thankful he's still interested.

At that point I (calmly) said the immortal words Get Out* Of My House ...I can't even begin to explain how good those words are to say. He blustered a bit with 'how dare you' blah blah blah and then I locked the door behind him. That was around ten last night. Not heard a word since.

I think I'm over the final blip. Hurray for me Grin

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 27/09/2014 09:45

Curt Hurrah for you!! I'll bet that DID feel good to tell him that! Well done. Sadly, he'll probably keep trying, but I think this has given you a burst of strength and confidence. Isn't it interesting when they stop pretending and show the "real" person they are? Hmm

CurtWild · 27/09/2014 10:05

alice Thank you!! It felt soooo good being able to say that!! Very empowering Grin

I don't think he'll give up just yet, either, although how he thinks insulting me in my own home will help win me over, I don't know Confused. Once upon a time, his apologies were enough..behaviour would pick up a bit and we'd trundle along until I dared to speak up/disagree with him, then he'd kick off, I'd keep my head down and my opinions to myself, he'd apologise..round and round and round.

Now if he doesn't like my opinion, I can tell him to leave..and to keep his disingenuous apologies. God, it feels good to feel that spaghetti head untangled again Smile. I may just go into town and treat myself and DC to a huge slice of cake to celebrate!

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 27/09/2014 10:28

Glad it's cleared for you. Enjoy your cake! Grin

Funnyfishface · 27/09/2014 13:47

Curt - I'm so proud of you - well done xx

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 27/09/2014 14:35

Please anyone that can offer support to this woman. Her partner was choking her, she hasn't reported it to police yet, seems prepared to adjust her behaviour, people were telling her she needs to get out.. and some utter numpty comes on the thread and tells her she's partly to blame because she pushed him off the bed when he was getting after her being aggressive ...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/stepparenting/2195047-Shaking-right-now?

CurtWild · 27/09/2014 17:35

Thanks fff..KD saw me and DC in the cafe, tucking into aforementioned slabs of cake, and came in to see us. I was shocked at how breezy I felt tbh, he asked if I was still angry with him and I said he'd done me a favour Grin. I didn't even mind when he sat down with us and ordered a coffee. There's nothing left in me for him (at least not anything I'll ever, ever show again), so he chatted with DC, we organised a trip to the park and pub lunch for tomorrow, and then he left.

Absolutely thrilled at how light I feel again Smile

minkemBernard · 28/09/2014 10:00

Biggest weight loss of your life their curt you just shed over a hundred pounds of useless FW Grin

It is funny sometimes how easy it is when you let go and also how utterly transparent and even laughable they become.

Mine has such a poor sense of irony that it is almost comedy gold. "I can't think right now I am very tired after looking after the kids for so long" 4 hours. 4 hours in 3 weeks. Who exactly does the poor lamb think does it the rest of the time?

As for the who else would want you remarks. Bollocks. What he is actually worried about is who would want an unpleasant, abusive, cock lodging twat with a string of failed rs (greasy bloater anyone?) Mine used to say 40something women were ten a penny blah blah blah. Well I have done just fine since I got ridWink

And newsflash FW, women don't actually need a man to survive. Unlike FWs who are generally incapable of doing things for themselves (or so they like to believe).

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 28/09/2014 10:04

mink I think that's something that has really baffled my KD. He seems to NEED to be in a relationship. He is careening from woman to woman, comes back to me and tries it on again, gets knocked back, is on every online dating site going... He's made the odd comment fishing for info on whether or not I've found someone else. Hmm I am quite happy just being on my own with the dcs. I'm not looking for a relationship at the moment. I am focusing on redecorating the house the way I like it and just relaxing with the dcs. The LAST thing I want right now is the complications of another relationship.

Not that I'll tell him that. He wouldn't understand anyway I think. He's far too obsessed with finding another woman. Confused Although if he's still stalking me on here, he knows now. Grin

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 28/09/2014 10:07

Curt When I looked back at my wobble from last month, I was shocked at how easily I was talked around a bit. When sanity prevailed, I realised that there's always going to be that danger - we will always hold that little grain of hope, I suppose. But I am more determined than ever now that it will never happen.

minkemBernard · 28/09/2014 11:45

alice he needs to find someone because a parasite needs a host. Grim but true.Envy

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 28/09/2014 11:57

I kind of think that he doesn't like himself very much so doesn't like to be alone, if that makes sense. And yes, I feel sometimes he needs an audience. Hmm

CurtWild · 28/09/2014 12:08

mink alice he actually can't get his head around the idea that I could possibly he happier alone. Fact is, I am! I'm focusing on DC, myself, upping my freelancing, looking into a possible business proposition I've had, creating a home...My life is full, so full I can't ever really imagine there'll be space for a relationship for a long, long time. And I love how that feels Grin

minkemBernard · 29/09/2014 00:11

Mine couldn't get his head round me leaving him for myself and not for someone elseGrin

Bizkit · 29/09/2014 12:48

Hi all sorry haven't been on in a while again.
Called solicitors Friday to see when was the best time to pop in and explained my problem she said they'd had a similar situation before and to come down this morning but I couldn't get the time off work :-(
It will have to be next Monday at least but I want to get things sorted now. I've backed off a bit like he asked , his dad is recovering well and DD's birthday is done and dusted, have to be quick before there's another excuse!
Although he seems to be being nice at the mo and we have had a few conversations! But he will see this as everything being ok and being back together, I see it as a separated couple being nature adults.
Also means trying to explain to my boss she knows the general gist of my situation but don't want to have to ask for time off for this

I found a message from a loan company and I'm racking my brain thinking why he would get one, he has got in so much bother with them before and as far as I know he had money...so I think there must be something Suss. He will never change with finances anyway.
Also messages from a girl looked very flirty and I think the starting work early and finishing late might have something to do with that.

I wish I could say him meeting another woman might be a good thing as he might leave but I know him and if he does find someone else he will lie about it and still hold his ground here, he wants the best of both worlds and never wants me to move on...sigh

sugarcoatedthorns · 30/09/2014 12:35

he would potentially use another woman to be his excuse for everything too, and hide behind his actions being because of the unreasonable demands she places on him and he is just complying with! So ever it remains everyone else's fault. No responsibility taken.

I am feeling akin to your thoughts on OW, that he would leave me alone, but she was just used as another pawn, and fed the required lies and poison to support his case of me being stark raving lunactic and abusive mother. Just another recruitment to his army. I foolishly thought it would be great that someone else would be around to prevent any abuse to DC now. Sadly she wanted to get involved and shout and scream and do battle with me too.

Anyone else heard this one? - you won't get better than me? so following those lines, why would we leave? unless you experienced some sort of miracle and actually did find someone better, because obviously it would be impossible to leave someone with so much going for them?!?! and us being so weak an'all Grin

Bizkit · 30/09/2014 12:47

I'm going to the local women's centre after work Today! Feeling anxious

sugarcoatedthorns · 01/10/2014 11:10

I am sure they would have given you lots of real good support Biz so hopefully you feel reassured now?

Bizkit · 01/10/2014 22:16

Yeh spoke to someone for about an hr, she has booked me in for legal advice next week and is gonna give me a number for some free counselling though I may have to wait so all good.

She agreed that he sounded very controlling and a bit of a bully, and he sounded like the selfish one not me.

Nice to know it's not just me over exaggerating