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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

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foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TisILeclerc · 20/03/2013 20:37

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 20/03/2013 20:37

Difference is now though Fi that if he says/does anything I don't like I just leave. Very liberating to be able to do that. I think it's taken the wind out of his sails as he clearly used to think he could do or say anything and I wouldn't do anything.

bountyicecream · 20/03/2013 20:48

I am meeting my boss on Friday so am going to make a formal request for part time hours. I think empolyers have a legal requirement to try and accommodate working mothers don't they. I could play the sympathy card and tell them some of my sob story (ie H is cheating and I'm going to divorce him) but I haven't told a soul apart from my parents, my nana, the solicitor and a WA lady (and all of you lots of course!) so really don't want my boss to know next plus they are not exactly famed for their discretion. AKA my boss LOVES a gossip

I am going to go in with 3 workable scenarios varying from 3 full days to 5 part days (obv 3 full days would be my preference). I think I will feel so much more happy when I am at home more. At the moment I just wake DD up, shovel some breakfast in her sleepy face and then collect, feed and bath her as quickly as possilbe to maximise her sleep.

Feel a bit nervous about the conversation though. And I'm guessing it won't appen immediatly.

PS another dog lover here though I'd love to introduce a Dcat when I'm on my own. I'm not going to reveal my ddogs breed as it might out me but she is definitely a doggy dog!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 20/03/2013 20:53

For medicinal purposes only, of course!

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minkembra · 20/03/2013 21:02

I am on the vodka. but only cos of my staggering tendenciesWink
Going to nip out for a spot if powehoop in a minute.

Am with whoever, fi, was it said about walking. exercise in general is good for the mind but you have to find the exercise that suits. no point going to the gym if you hate running machines and lycra. If i for not get regular exercise fix i go batty.

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 21:03

ooops sorzza bounty not the other one (isn't that a magazine character)

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 20/03/2013 21:03

I have got through about 3 boxes of tissues. I can't believe this cold!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 20/03/2013 21:05

Mind you, at least Superdad was on hand to hold the fort while I retreated to shiver in bed for an hour or two. (And read Lundy's children book - depressing. He is in it, everywhere. Down to the Superdad bit!!)

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 21:08

oops drank that one a bit quick so glass empty again nuvver double tis foo more whiskies ower there our Charlotte fight off those nasty nasty germs

Very glad about wind match, and sales, well, I mean lack of wind... mmmm ... v liberating brave brave gosh such brave lady.. so far you have come Smile

cant stand the tight lycra and running machines (did it for years before going to work, blurgghh.. hated it).. but luv luv luv the long hard walks with bff by my side, she's a bewty she is, luv er.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 20/03/2013 21:11

another one and I think I'll pass out...

Someone put me to bed and tuck me in? I could do with a bit of tlc tonight. :(

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 21:17

aw (((((group hug))))) for Charlotte for nasty bugs, and feeling better soon

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 21:18

.. and anuvver whisky just to be sure Wink

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 21:21

all my words wrong tonight.. sails Hmm

bountyicecream · 20/03/2013 21:21

What's the Lundy childrens book please?

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 21:23

i only know 'when dad hurts mom' not for children tho (as far as I know) but for adults to help children? is that what you meant?

NoraLuca · 20/03/2013 21:36

Leclerc this thread is making me want a cat, too! Even though really I'd love a dog, I know I can't have one because it would be on its own all day while I'm at work.

This evening there was some ironing to be done, and the house could have done with a bit of a tidy up. But, it was lovely and sunny out, first lovely day in absolutely ages. So I thought feck it, I'll go for a run. And I did. It was great. Then got home, had a shower, and nobody had a go at me for wasting time, or for spending too long in the shower, or for not caring about the house, or because my running clothes don't cover me from head to toe. The end. Grin I am freeeeeee!

I had a good chat with the DDs about how it's sad when your parents split up, and it's OK and normal to feel sad, but how we'll all get used to our new house and we won't be sad anymore. DD1 said that she's already happy because Daddy hasn't been scary a single time since we moved house, but at the same time she's sad because it would have been nice to stay all together. Poor DD1. I still feel awful selfish to have split the family up just so I can do things like go running... I am happy but disgusted with myself at the same time.

minkembra · 20/03/2013 21:43

Nora Smile about the running.
I think kids are more pragmatic than we give them credit for.

I Said to my 2 are you cross with me cos you don't see daddy as much? It us ok if you are cross. it is not fair on you.

They said it is not your fault he shouted and said bad language at you and hit you. it is his fault. and i said but he didn't hit me.
Dd- he pushed you and that is a kind of hitting Sad (thought they had forgotten that)

But they are not daft.

minkembra · 20/03/2013 21:47

Anyway who is for another? Wink

And arth if you want to practise your French, have you ever seen spiral? I now know lots of weapons grade French in actual French Wink can't spell it though...then again on this phone i cannot spell anyway.

And tis what colour? (dye)

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/03/2013 21:52

Ahhhh!

Just had a quick catch up. I've been at work all day, then playdate here, then massive mouse ishooooo: the mite invasion turns out to stem from the mice have a grand old time. They've been taking dcat's crunchy cat food over past four years of our having him, I guess, and storing them in mouse Harrods under one of our build in kitchen cabinets. We've just cleared out a HUUUUUGE amount of old cat food, mouse droppings, dust, bleurgh. Nasty nasty nasty.

Anyway, bounty def worth keeping your powder dry in the interests of getting residency, much the best thing for your dc, as well as you of course. If your OH moans about your 3 day week, just tell him it's the economic climate? I am just down-scaling work too, although I'm primary carer, I want no mistake about it.

Really gutted to hear about all the twuntery everyone's been experiencing.

Also missing Maggie and Nini and hoping they're ok.

I am excited about my sol appt on weds to get D papers drawn up.

I have confirmed I am joining FP in April.

Life's a bitch but getting slightly better.

Cheers, Vixens Smile

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/03/2013 21:56

I plan to get a ddog now work's scaled down but kinda want to wait till in separate house from fw as I want my ddog to protect me from fw if necessary, not see fw as top dog. I love collies but have been told they are very hard work. I love walking, so apart from that, any advice?

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 21:58

Oh yay Fly welcome and cwtch up to fireside and happy smiling (now v. hot) DDogs and good company. Take your mind of nasty meeecis, all gone now

NoraLuca · 20/03/2013 22:04

Wine.... ok then Wink

As an aside, if anyone wants to learn any French, two years of working in an office full of French guys has taught me all the words anyone could possibly need and then some Grin

FairyFi · 20/03/2013 22:05

Nora .. but you didn't leave just so you could go running? and if you said that to DD she'd disagree with you anyhow.

having sneaking suspicions, from the howlings and ragings from Far side of Fuck off that its actually a deep deep dark pit of stinking mire.....??

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/03/2013 22:08

The funny thing about the lousy mousies, fi is that fw is shit scared of them and I am stoic [smug emoticon] (whereas am pathetic around spiders)

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